Asking for a friend. He's got an 08 Bullitt that's almost paid off and is thinking about modding it a little. He's asking me a bunch of specific questions that, quite frankly I don't know the answer to. Examples: The guys at the tire shop said I should put wider wheels on the back, will that screw up the handling? Will it sound like crap if I put headers on it? (If you aren't familiar with the exhaust note of a Bullitt, it's a thing of beauty) Any down side to a cam upgrade? Etc., etc.
Obviously, someone who's familiar with Mustangs could probably answer those questions easily, so I suggested finding and joining a Mustang forum. Any GRM approved Mustang forums out there?
www.s197forum.com
Just don't go on there and ask what axle-back mufflers will go best with pink racing stripes. You will get flamed. That forum is for technical questions, and there are some brilliant people on there. Also, SEARCH before posting.
And, yes, square tire sizes (same size front and rear) handle best on these cars for corner carving. Pansies who only drive fast in straight lines can get away with wider rear tires.
Thanks Sky_Render. Just trying to make sure he doesn't stumble into the wrong forum and end up with a car that would make Joe Dirt proud.
kazoospec wrote:
Thanks Sky_Render. Just trying to make sure he doesn't stumble into the wrong forum and end up with a car that would make Joe Dirt proud.
Stay away from AllFordMustangs and StangNet. Bunch of window-lickers there.
I'm a low-level mod on ModdedMustangs.com forums. They're mostly drag guys, but there's a few of us corner carvers there.
+1 to staying square with the tires. Mustangs already have an understeer issue, why increase relative rear grip?
http://www.mustangfourms.com is a faily decent Mustang site.
The other end of the spectrum is some place like SVTPerformance where the biggest signature rules; with umpteen lines of describing your Mustang's air freshener and hand wax job count as performance mods along with multiple full screen photographs of your car.
Rule of thumb: If most posts on a board are shorter than the posters' signatures, look for another board.
Chris_V
UltraDork
7/13/12 1:12 p.m.
Sky_Render wrote:
Pansies who only drive fast in straight lines can get away with wider rear tires.
or those of us who simply like rapid street cars, but never go 10/10ths on the street. I use race cars for the track. And I LIKE my staggered street tire setup on my '06 GT:
I don't have an understeer problem with the car (it's more neutral than it was with the stock tires on it). But what do I know. I've only been autocrossing and hitting track days for 30+ years.
I also use the tech section for '05-up at The Mustang Source.
vern2point3 wrote:
Rule of thumb: If most posts on a board are shorter than the posters' signatures, look for another board.
lol! Yeah, kind of true.
The pansy comment was a joke, by the way. I would argue your car would handle better without the staggered tires, though. But that might be a matter of preference if you're not running 10" wide slicks on the rear.
Corner-carvers.com still has some of the best Mustang tech out there, and there are a few S197 guys on here, as well...
Chris_V
UltraDork
7/13/12 2:10 p.m.
Sky_Render wrote:
The pansy comment was a joke, by the way. I would argue your car would handle better without the staggered tires, though. But that might be a matter of preference if you're not running 10" wide slicks on the rear.
it had a square setup on it before and tended toward oversteer. But it's limits are so much higher than the law allows that I'll never push it hard enough on the street to really notice any negative issues if it has any. It feels a lot more neutral now when I do push it at lower speeds.
I had staggered setup on my 740iL street car and never had any handling issues, either (8.5s and 10s like the Mustang, but 19s instead of the 20s on the Mustang)
dj06482 wrote:
Corner-carvers.com still has some of the best Mustang tech out there, and there are a few S197 guys on here, as well...
Also has bar-none THE most intolerance towards people not doing searches through the existing material.
And don't every even breath the word "drift" there. Insta-perma-ban.
Chris_V
UltraDork
7/13/12 2:43 p.m.
ReverendDexter wrote:
And don't every even breath the word "drift" there. Insta-perma-ban.
So true. I've never drifted, don't really like it, but, in a thread about drifting, marginally defended it's existence as a form of entertainment, and got labelled as a drifter (they put it under my name) and banned at the same time. No warning, no nothing.
Don't need those intolerant, closed minded, arrogant asshats anyhow, and will not recommend their forums to anyone, even if they know how to set up cars for road racing.
Re: Square vs. wider rear -
For best performance, put the widest tires on it that it will hold. If this means wider rear (and it will), so be it. Then do suspension / chassis tweaks to take advantage of all that rubber.
Also, a car with a square 10" setup will not be faster than a car with 10's up front and 12's out back. The staggered may not be faster, if the 10's up front are the limiting factor, but it won't be slower, assuming things like a non-altered track width, etc.
Corner Carvers in theory has good stuff, but their attitude, combined with their lack of willingness to let people with a gmail account sign up, has steered me away.
Corralnet is a pretty good forum, although I generally just shop there and seek advice here
Unless you are into drag racing, there aren't many Mustang forums out there worth a chit. I think I have visited nearly all of them and each one of them suck in one way or another. I personally stay away from any of the Autoguide/VerticalScope sites if at all possible.
DILYSI Dave wrote:
Corner Carvers in theory has good stuff, but their attitude, combined with their lack of willingness to let people with a gmail account sign up, has steered me away.
I've read enough of the posts over there to realize their knowledge base is honestly smaller than here on GRM. They get by on reputation but don't have the goods to back it up IMO...
I used to spend a lot of time on allfordmustangs.com. There are some really knowledgable folks in the 05 gt tech forum, but as the cars have aged and become less expensive the signal to noise ratio has worsened. There is a LOT of good info there, it just takes some sifting.
And yes, there are a few of us s197 guys around here.
I personally run a square tire setup, 255s which is the widest you can get on the factory 17x8s. The car under steers like a pig from the factory. I can only think a staggered setup would worsen that, requiring even more suspension mods. Mine's very neutral with square widths, an aftermarket sway at set and about one degree of neg camber. I use that setup with 32 psi all round on the street, then bump the fronts to 40 and the rears to 38 for autox.
Oh dangerous..........out of curiousity I called my insurance agent today. Apparently State Farm really likes having my business, I pay $60 a month full coverage on my '11 Frontier Pro4x..........for a '13 GT mustang with the track pack and same coverage.........$77/month.
A big reason I didn't buy an 07-08 GT back in April 2010 was a quote of $180/month!! I bought a 350Z insurance was $75.