Anybody remember Joan Claybrook?

Dicuss.

Airbag.

Prolly seen that movie, or not.

85mph speedometer

SUV rollovers.

If you saw her name in one of Brock Yates' columns, it was usually mentioned with Nader's, and it was never positive.

Must we?

Joan insisted that airbag inflation speed be calibrated under the assumption that the passenger was unbelted. So airbag inflation speed were way higher, and shorter drivers who sat too close to the steering wheel were severely injured or killed as a result. But remember, she represents "consumers."

Seeing her name reminded me of this article:

http://www.caranddriver.com/columns/airbags-kill-more-kids-than-school-shootings

Here's a link to classic picture of Nader since these two people go hand in hand:

http://www.achievement.org/achievers/nad0/large/nad0-005.jpg

The first demonstration of an air bag with a live occupant killed the poor chimp they used.

DWNSHFT wrote: Joan insisted that airbag inflation speed be calibrated under the assumption that the passenger was unbelted. So airbag inflation speed were way higher, and shorter drivers who sat too close to the steering wheel were severely injured or killed as a result. But remember, she represents "consumers."

I've said it thousands of times, and will undoubtedly say it thousands more: People who think you can regulate everything to perfection never understand the Law of Unintended Consequences.

A rather startling article by what appears to be an unbiased source:

http://www.amstat.org/newsroom/pdfs/whowantsairbags.pdf

we are confident that our analyses better reflect the actual effectiveness of airbags in the general population. The evidence shows that airbags do more harm than good.

I'd prefer it if airbags would only activate if the occupant closest to them was not wearing his or her seatbelt.

theenico wrote: Seeing her name reminded me of this article: http://www.caranddriver.com/columns/airbags-kill-more-kids-than-school-shootings

That was written in 1999, where the Columbine shooting had happened 5 months previous, so the article was likely a provocative counterpoint. I wonder if their claims are still true today, what with 16 years of airbag advancement since then.

I get their point, like how swimming pool drownings kill more people than guns do, but no one's passing laws to outlaw pools.

I vaguely recall Joan Claybrook as being some kind of airbag. Quick to go off if memory serves.

Why did you ask anyways, did she go off to join the great rock concert in the sky?

Duke wrote:

DWNSHFT wrote: Joan insisted that airbag inflation speed be calibrated under the assumption that the passenger was unbelted. So airbag inflation speed were way higher, and shorter drivers who sat too close to the steering wheel were severely injured or killed as a result. But remember, she represents "consumers."

I've said it thousands of times, and will undoubtedly say it thousands more: People who think you can regulate everything to perfection never understand the Law of Unintended Consequences.

Preach it brother.

Hand in hand, there are always unknown unknowns. Fact of engineering. Fact of life. Generally unknown to regulators...

In reply to NOHOME:

Apparently she now wants all cars to stop themselves if I heard the news blurb right.

Utter insanity. I'll be moving to Mexico soon,,,

So Claybrook is all about planting little Claymores in our dashboards? Something funny going on there.

I was hoping to heard of the irony of her head being lopped of by a Takata claymore. Accidentally of course. God forbid.

kb58 wrote: I get their point, like how swimming pool drownings kill more people than guns do, but no one's passing laws to outlaw pools.

Source?

BTW-there are regulations on pool fencing and signage.

The Hoff wrote:

kb58 wrote: I get their point, like how swimming pool drownings kill more people than guns do, but no one's passing laws to outlaw pools.

Source? BTW-there are regulations on pool fencing and signage.

Between 2005 and 2009, there were an average of 3533 drowning deaths per year. That's all non boat related drownings, not just swimming pools.

Total gun related deaths in 2013: 33,169, of which 21,175 were suicides, 11,208 were homicide, 505 were accidental, and 281 "undetermined intent." All figures per the CDC.