fornetti14 wrote: I went shopping for STI/WRX's last year because I wanted used turbo/AWD/manual with a target of 300 reliable HP. I ended up snatching up a very inexpensive Mazda, which is a much better DD than track car due to its size and weight. All the Subaru's I looked at were $20k or beat to snot. I ended up spending half that and can still run with them at the racetrack.
Well it's a good thing new is a prerequesite for me. Plus a Miata isn't going to fit two children and my wife.
I'm with you, I didn't think the Ford ST's were large enough, plus I wanted AWD.
I have 3 kids and a wife, so the Mazda I DD is a 4-door Mazdaspeed6.
If you don't need track car then the STI premium price is probably not worth with it. If you buy a new WRX, you could always add some go-fast bits down the road since everybody loves making aftermarket Subie parts.
I'm def thinking the rex. Better MPGs, only 27 less HP, now has 6-spd, etc. On the other hand checked out a CTS-V (used) and holy balls are those awesome. Depreciation has hit the 09s hard and can be had for STi pricing. They are used but most people that can afford $70k cars aren't going to destroy them as bad as the boi racers with used STis/WRXs.
Had anyone who owns or drives an Evo X extensively driven the WRX? I keep hearing comparisons between the two, and frankly if the Subaru experience is close to the Evo, I'd prefer it since there is an actual dealer network and I'm shopping a winter DD here. I'm tired of dealing with older cars out of warranty or I'd just buy an Evo IX.
A few issues I have with the Evo X's are that the trunk is tiny. You're not getting much more than a couple of soft bags in there. I'm also concerned with the support the car has, Mitsubishi has seemed on the edge of pulling out of the US market for years now.
Having owned two WRX's, a 2002 wagon and a 2009 hatch, all I can say is that I hope Subaru has upped their quality control and customer service with the new ones. Although there is a lot to like about them (easily tuned, not bad to work on, tons of aftermarket support, etc), they have a lot of issues.
I had a lot of problems with both my cars. The 2002 suffered from the cold weather fuel leaks, which at the time, I had to fix on my own because Subaru wouldn't (they now cover it), a snapped driver's seat track, clutch shuddering in damp weather, and more. I was in love with the car, and I didn't care. Yes, they spin bearings, too. I ran Rotella 5w40 synthetic diesel oil in mine, and it helped out a lot.
The 2009 was purchased to keep me from wanting to wrench on it. It made the power I was looking for out of the 2.0L right out of the box, had the Legacy brake upgrade, better spring rates, and a supposedly nicer interior. I even got the best Subaru "100k bumper to bumper" warranty they sold at the time just in case. The reality was that it was a decent car until about 30k miles, when it began to have issues, and Subaru wouldn't cover it all. After replacing the A/C compressor, parts of the dashboard that fell off, and the glove box, they refused to look at my noisy clutch or rattly turbo without doing non-refundable diagnostic work that would cost thousands of dollars. I contacted SOA about it, and they said tough E36 M3. That's when I traded it in.
I do like the new car. The wheels look straight off a Toyota Corolla S, but those are easily swapped out.It looks like they made vast improvements on the inside of the car, and the new drivetrain looks promising. But after my last two and dealing with SOA went things went south, I don't know if I could ever go back. Buyer beware.
DirtyBird222 wrote: I'm def thinking the rex. Better MPGs, only 27 less HP, now has 6-spd, etc. On the other hand checked out a CTS-V (used) and holy balls are those awesome. Depreciation has hit the 09s hard and can be had for STi pricing. They are used but most people that can afford $70k cars aren't going to destroy them as bad as the boi racers with used STis/WRXs.
There is a lot of win in this statement.
I was going to purchase a 2015 STI. I even went down to the dealer and was all ready to drive away in a shiny new car. But guess what? My wife was wrong! They would not give me one on my good looks. They wanted money. Actual money! I walked right out of there.
In reply to pinchvalve:
Oh I'm sure someone would give you a free WRX. It just depends on finding the right dealer and how you look in a gimp suit.
docwyte wrote: A few issues I have with the Evo X's are that the trunk is *tiny*. You're not getting much more than a couple of soft bags in there. I'm also concerned with the support the car has, Mitsubishi has seemed on the edge of pulling out of the US market for years now.
That's part of the reason I bought the Mustang over the EVO X.
I live in the 46th largest city in the country and there isn't even a Mitsubishi dealer here.
I am considering between the WRX and the Focus ST. I need to see how big the ST is inside. I know it's kinda small, but I only have the wife and one kid so I don't need a huge car.
The other advantage is that they have incentives on the ST right now and there are two near me where they are serving the loaded version up at $26500. Compared to $35k for a WRX Limited that's pretty nice.
I do like the sizing of the Impreza now. I sat in a regular one and the back seat is very livable.
I need to bump this back up for more info. The wife likes the STI and its a fun little car at least on paper.
I took the 15' out today in a base model and kind of underwhelmed with the power. The chassis is really well sorted out and the interior is worlds better then they used to be. Did like to rev, but man that wing has got to go.
Are these things really a tune, inter-cooler, injectors and I/E away from 400whp. Also can you get them no wing like the old limited that you could buy with just leather.
You took the STI out?
I don't think any WRX or STI is that easy to crack 400whp on. Definitely not with any degree of reliability, and the stock turbos are relatively small.
turtl631 wrote: You took the STI out? I don't think any WRX or STI is that easy to crack 400whp on. Definitely not with any degree of reliability, and the stock turbos are relatively small.
Yeah STI, they just threw me the keys, car had 15 miles on it, I have bought a few cars from them int he past year for coworkers.
The "internet" is full of what looks like semi reliable bolt on 400whp STI's. I imagine the rings and pistons are going to go after a while and rods after them as you get closer to 500whp.
DirtyBird222 wrote: I'm def thinking the rex. Better MPGs, only 27 less HP, now has 6-spd, etc. On the other hand checked out a CTS-V (used) and holy balls are those awesome. Depreciation has hit the 09s hard and can be had for STi pricing. They are used but most people that can afford $70k cars aren't going to destroy them as bad as the boi racers with used STis/WRXs.
When I think of kids I think of my parents and what they did. Which was buy a Talon TSI AWD and wedge us in the back and telling us to deal with it.
Which i'm glad because I got the hand me down of that car when they upgraded later on.
wearymicrobe wrote: I need to bump this back up for more info. The wife likes the STI and its a fun little car at least on paper. I took the 15' out today in a base model and kind of underwhelmed with the power. The chassis is really well sorted out and the interior is worlds better then they used to be. Did like to rev, but man that wing has got to go. Are these things really a tune, inter-cooler, injectors and I/E away from 400whp. Also can you get them no wing like the old limited that you could buy with just leather.
lol you will not bolt on to 400whp. Like 320 at the MOST and not on a mustang dyno, on some high reading one.
You will need a upgraded turbo, something larger than a 68HTA, something more like like a garrett 3076. IDK if they make a turbo that will do 400whp that is stock location. I never considered upgrading to that much because mid 300s was enough for me on the 68hta. Biggest turbo I would go would be like 3071R. I would like to try the new GTX series. The GTX3067/3071 is supposed to have the lower rpm power of the 3071 but the top end of the 3076.
Unless the new cars are completely different, which I highly doubt as that's been the fact for STIs since they came to this country.
In reply to kanaric:
Still the ej25 in the sti. So while there is no mystery how to make 400 hp it won't be just a few bolt ons away.
I am interested in what is possible with the new fa engines.
Ojala wrote: In reply to kanaric: Still the ej25 in the sti. So while there is no mystery how to make 400 hp it won't be just a few bolt ons away. I am interested in what is possible with the new fa engines.
I'm curious about the tuning potential of the twin scroll turbo in the new WRX. I'm sure "stage 2" dyno graphs and 1/4 miles are out there just havn't had a reason to look them up.
Even if the turbo is weak the fact that it's already twin scroll they could put some interesting possibilities on there that otherwise would be too laggy where with the STI you would need to spend money on a new manifold and you wouldn't be stock location likely.
http://vimeo.com/m/97289392
A short video of our rallycross mod awd class from last weekend just incase a few of you are on the fence about STi's potential lol. The only real life engine failures I've heard of were the owners fault or they really race the piss out of it. Keep the oil freah and full (a little over never hurt) and have fun. My 06 wrx has 124k on it and hardly burns any oil.
That black STi in the video has a cosworth block and all kinda of other crap done to it and he's at something like 450hp. I'm honestly surprised you feel that stock isn't enough. In my opinion these cars don't feel that fast but they actually are moving pretty quick.
Ojala wrote: In reply to pinchvalve: Oh I'm sure someone would give you a free WRX. It just depends on finding the right dealer and how you look in a gimp suit.
That's just it. I WORE my Gimp Suit. And I look good in it! What's a guy gotta do?
fornetti14 wrote: I went shopping for STI/WRX's last year because I wanted used turbo/AWD/manual with a target of 300 reliable HP. I ended up snatching up a very inexpensive Mazda, which is a much better DD than track car due to its size and weight. All the Subaru's I looked at were $20k or beat to snot. I ended up spending half that and can still run with them at the racetrack.
That's why the answer is always Miata (if that's what you purchased).
kanaric wrote:wearymicrobe wrote: I need to bump this back up for more info. The wife likes the STI and its a fun little car at least on paper. I took the 15' out today in a base model and kind of underwhelmed with the power. The chassis is really well sorted out and the interior is worlds better then they used to be. Did like to rev, but man that wing has got to go. Are these things really a tune, inter-cooler, injectors and I/E away from 400whp. Also can you get them no wing like the old limited that you could buy with just leather.lol you will not bolt on to 400whp. Like 320 at the MOST and not on a mustang dyno, on some high reading one.
That is what I thought as well. Just a bunch of young guys with dreams of power then.
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