Keith Tanner said:
My point was that an engine that spins higher than all but five production car engines could be considered a high revving engine :) Doesn't really matter if it's built or whatever, it's a spinny engine when compared to everything else.
Straight sixes have been done in a Miata. C'mon, jam that S54 in there!
True that, but in the context of 300whp naturally aspirated fours, it makes its power remarkably low 
That territory normally is Millington Diamond or Volvo Evo or tall decked Esslinger or other engines where they share nothing with the production engine but some superficial dimensions. And bring a Yeti cooler full of cash to pay for it.
I am assuming that it is a production head and block, anyway.
Seriously? The ultimate NA Miata is just an intake, cam, and exhaust with a few small block Chevy tricks.
Appleseed said:
Seriously? The ultimate NA Miata is just an intake, cam, and exhaust with a few small block Chevy tricks.
This thread made me think of that
There is a speedtalk regular who loves the small block Chevy. Occasionally, he gets an idea and starts asking questions like what would it take to build a 1500hp small block? Reason - you can make a 1500hp LS, and the small block is basically the same thing, right? So what would it take?
Meanwhile, you can make more power per displacement than NASCAR had in the SBC's heyday... and LS mills can go a lot larger in displacement thanks to the mugh higher cam tunnel
In reply to Pete. (l33t FS) :
The amount of cash that this 2.5 liter K motor costs could probably fill a decent sized lunch box.
If all you're into is stump-pulling torque, a Tesla-powered Miata would one-up the LS3. But it's ultimately which do you prefer - blondes, brunettes, redheads or an afro?
Going on a tangent, I find the K Honda world to be chock full of brags and misinformation. What is the best site to objectively assess what power can be had with various options?
I am really looking forward to someone filling that Miata trunk with $20 bills and letting me built the Tesla-powered Miata...
Every time I see K motor I think of the Mazda K motor and not the Honda one.
In reply to dean1484 :
Could be worse. It could be a Rover K.
Keith Tanner said:
I am really looking forward to someone filling that Miata trunk with $20 bills and letting me built the Tesla-powered Miata...
Me too. That would be mental.
Because this thread is drifting like Takumi trying to get home fast so he can catch some sleep, how much do Tesla battery packs weigh? I am curious because there is a local car guy who talks about Model 3s like I talk about rotaries but squared (maybe cubed, like math not ham) and he says the 3 has superior handling BECAUSE OF its weight because the weight is all really low. As someone who subscribes to the Colin Chapman school, my BS-o-meter starts going "tilt".
But because I have Tim Allen Syndrome, I also wonder how much of that pork is battery and how much is just inefficient design...
A Miata weighs what? 2600? So I think you need to have...520hp. Minimum.
Also, for as much as a T56 weighs, I would get a Gforce T5, it will hold the power and weighs 85#. I figure as everyone thinks the T56 is made of gold you wouldn't pay much more with this.
Pete. (l33t FS) said:
he says the 3 has superior handling BECAUSE OF its weight because the weight is all really low.
In theory you can add weight in the right spot and make a car corner better... especially if that car would otherwise roll.
If more weight is better, than tanks would dominate the track. The more accurate statement should be "If you're going to have an overweight pig of a car, it is best if it's high-powered and has a low cg"
Thinkkker said:
A Miata weighs what? 2600? So I think you need to have...520hp. Minimum.
Also, for as much as a T56 weighs, I would get a Gforce T5, it will hold the power and weighs 85#. I figure as everyone thinks the T56 is made of gold you wouldn't pay much more with this.
Miatas are closer to 2300 in stock form. The ND V8 in my driveway is about 500 hp and 2600. And 400+ lbs of torque from 1800 to 6600 rpm.
People keep thinking the T5 is the magic secret that hasn't been figured out, when really a good LS would just take it apart.
I did some rough math on the Tesla powered ND and came up with 2800 lbs and 250 miles (I think) range. Really, you just keep adding batteries until you reach your range/performance/weight target.
In reply to Keith Tanner :
I don't think an LS will shred a G force or an Astro T5. Both make a 600 hp 500 ft-lb capable model that costs about the same as a T56 rebuild.
I do, however, think just finding an LS / T56 combo makes way more sense than fitting. T5 to an LS.
Keith:
Miatas are closer to 2300 in stock form. The ND V8 in my driveway is about 500 hp and 2600. And 400+ lbs of torque from 1800 to 6600 rpm.
People keep thinking the T5 is the magic secret that hasn't been figured out, when really a good LS would just take it apart.
Ok so I added a little bit.going off the Birkins weight hp numbers.
And the T5 was mentioned with a full build. That's the only way to keep it together. I may spring for the straight cut setup even.
Kreb (Forum Supporter) said:
If more weight is better, than tanks would dominate the track. The more accurate statement should be "If you're going to have an overweight pig of a car, it is best if it's high-powered and has a low cg"
Funny thing is, an 80 ton Abrams can panic stop from 45mph to 0 on pavement in 35ft. All those links in the tracks have about 1sq ft of rubber. Think of the contact patch.
Appleseed said:
Kreb (Forum Supporter) said:
If more weight is better, than tanks would dominate the track. The more accurate statement should be "If you're going to have an overweight pig of a car, it is best if it's high-powered and has a low cg"
Funny thing is, an 80 ton Abrams can panic stop from 45mph to 0 on pavement in 35ft. All those links in the tracks have about 1sq ft of rubber. Think of the contact patch.
Is there a caster on the end of the main barrel to keep it from standing up? Wow!
Appleseed said:
Kreb (Forum Supporter) said:
If more weight is better, than tanks would dominate the track. The more accurate statement should be "If you're going to have an overweight pig of a car, it is best if it's high-powered and has a low cg"
Funny thing is, an 80 ton Abrams can panic stop from 45mph to 0 on pavement in 35ft. All those links in the tracks have about 1sq ft of rubber. Think of the contact patch.
I heard it's basically like running into a wall...everyone inside needs to 'brace for impact' or someones's getting hurt.
(second hand info....I've never been in one.)
Also, I think it's hard on the pavement :)
In reply to Appleseed :
Seems like a slight exaggeration, but yes they stop fast. Once. I used to work where that track is made. The rubber part shears off during the first hard stop.
Keith Tanner said:
Choice is good!
If you want a feel of what they're all like to drive, Sam Smith drove way too many Miatas at Laguna Seca a few years back. Including a K and a couple of LS and a 2.5 and an Exocet and big turbos and little turbos and not turbos and Spec and everything. It's a fantastic read. Sam's a friend of mine, and when he asked me if I could set up a few drives for him, I asked how many. "As many as possible," he said. Heh heh heh. And at least one of these cars belongs to one of our own.
https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a32131/miatas-at-mazda-raceway-miatagasm-mega-test/
Ok, that was just fun to read!
In reply to Kreb (Forum Supporter) :
Yeah, took me from, "I want a miata," to "I bought a miata."
That, and seeing the amount of information and support that is available here.
In reply to Daylan C (Forum Supporter) :
All I see is time left on the table by the complete lack of left foot braking in a setup that's designed to take advantage of left foot braking.
