Crazy Built DSM's

Funny Craigslist ad. No prices given, but I don't think they would sell anything for less than $2009.

Can a DSM really put out 1000 Hp? If so for how long?

here's the link

I've seen an Eclipse running 10's with a full interior...I would bet 1000 is possible...

as far as longevity, they don't call them Disposable Speed Motors for nothing

A 4G63T block is damn near indestructible.

The stock bottom end... not so much.

Always had a thing for the eclipses whan I was younger. Boosted AWD sounds fun.

Geez, guys..do I have to post the "crank walk" pics again? Great cars, but you gotta do something with the bottom end.

The 4G63T's out of the 2G DSM's are the only ones with crankwalk issues. If you can get one out of a 1G, the 6-bolt one, you won't have those problems. The 1G is the ugly boxy one. Just some upgraded rods and pistons make the shortblocks capable of handling over 500whp.

oxfordwhitemach wrote: The 4G63T's out of the 2G DSM's are the only ones with crankwalk issues. If you can get one out of a 1G, the 6-bolt one, you won't have those problems. The 1G is the ugly boxy one. Just some upgraded rods and pistons make the shortblocks capable of handling over 500whp.

And it's really something like 7% failure due to crankwalk. The problem is that whenever one blows, everyone runs around with their heads cut off screaming "OMG TEH CRANKWALK!!!"

As for the 1000hp potential. Sure. The longblock might take it, but whether or not that 1000hp is just a matter of tuning, i doubt it.

But it has been done. Shepracing.

I still say in another 5 years or so, clean, unmolested, stock, AWD Turbo 1G DSM's will be worth a fortune.

Coworker had a crazy built AWD Laser automatic with a 2.4L setup. Ran 10s and was driven to the track. Stupid fast, but also cost him a fortune to build. He's into Supras now cause it's "cheaper".

I had a first gen 6 bolt awd talon, when it ran right it was quick, like leave the wifes srt in the dust quick, but it was rare that it ran right

slefain wrote: He's into Supras now cause it's "cheaper".

Ok, that's just sick.

It is so easy to type 1000hp.

My unqualified eye thinks there is no way that makes 1000hp.

thedude wrote: My qualified eye thinks there is no way that makes 100hp.

I agree with THIS statement.

They won't hold together at that HP level. 600 is pushing the max HP those engines can produce on a somewhat regular basis and not become confetti.

And the "rare AWD spyder" is rare because it doesn't exist. The turbo spyders were all FWD, so any AWD spyder is a one off creation. They couldn't add AWD to the spyder because of the additional bracing put in for the vert... and also, they anticipated AWD being a strong seller in the snow belt and spyders being strong sellers in the sun belt... so the markets didn't mix much anyway.

andrave wrote: They won't hold together at that HP level. 600 is pushing the max HP those engines can produce on a somewhat regular basis and not become confetti. And the "rare AWD spyder" is rare because it doesn't exist. The turbo spyders were all FWD, so any AWD spyder is a one off creation. They couldn't add AWD to the spyder because of the additional bracing put in for the vert... and also, they anticipated AWD being a strong seller in the snow belt and spyders being strong sellers in the sun belt... so the markets didn't mix much anyway.

Actually on the spyder, the mounting points and everything is still there for the AWD system. It's a pain in the butt to source everything, but relatively straightforward. Nothing i would probably attempt, but would be cake for most of the GRM challenge competitors.

Still though, its not "rare."

Its something he cobbled together.

You know what I mean?

I think turbo convertibles are aguable fairly rare in their own right.

And living in WV, where convertibles are not practical at all, at least I could make an argument for an AWD one....

andrave wrote: Still though, its not "rare." Its something he cobbled together. You know what I mean? I think turbo convertibles are aguable fairly rare in their own right. And living in WV, where convertibles are not practical at all, at least I could make an argument for an AWD one....

I know what you mean.

oxfordwhitemach wrote: The 4G63T's out of the 2G DSM's are the only ones with crankwalk issues. If you can get one out of a 1G, the 6-bolt one, you won't have those problems. The 1G is the ugly boxy one. Just some upgraded rods and pistons make the shortblocks capable of handling over 500whp.

Thanks for the tip! Now I know why my DSM buddies make that face every time I make that joke. I'll lighten up on `em.

http://binghamton.craigslist.org/cto/1288327478.html

One near me for$3250, its probly good that i dont have the cash to buy it

In reply to TJ:

How does the new Evo engine's capability compare to the older DSM's?

You mean the new all aluminum 4B11T in the X?

I've heard rumors that its kind of finnicky like the RX-8 in that some things that should make more power don't (like intakes, etc).

And its also all aluminum and I think a large part of the old engine's bulletproof-ness was related to the iron bottom end.

Some are saying it will not do the 600 hp tunes the old motor was capable of. I have no personal experience.

4g63 is a workhorse...