PubBurgers
PubBurgers Dork
6/22/10 11:01 a.m.

The wife and I have been having this crazy idea that once we sell our house we'd like to travel the country in an RV for a year or so before settling down again. I have never owned or even considered owning an RV so i have a few questions on the subject. We're thinking about something of this general size in the $5K range:

http://dayton.craigslist.org/rvs/1787823399.html

Are there particular brands to look at? It seems like a lot are dodge or ford based with a few toyotas. Also, how are they in terms of reliability?

What kind of gas mileage can i expect from a smallish RV?

Are RV generators similar to home generators or something completely different?

How long can a typical waste tank/battery go before needing emptied/charged?

Basically i need an all around schooling.

thanks!

Jacques

Wally
Wally GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
6/22/10 11:19 a.m.

Moneywise you may come out ahead with a small car and priceline hotels. Besides the 5-6 mpg that that thing is going to see you hae to remember that many of them are built like cheap houses and then have hit pothole and curbs ect. To live in every day I'd want something as new as possible. We had trailers as kids and by the time they were 10 years old eveery time you used it you were fixing something, leaky roofs electrical problems ect.

ClemSparks
ClemSparks SuperDork
6/22/10 11:34 a.m.

I can't see your link from work but I gather from the context you're looking at Class C (van body Cutaway based) RVs.

I had a Toyota based one (an '84 model one). While it was neat to have and own, it was an utter maintenance TRAP (roof leaks and ensuing structural problems, plumbing, electrical, propane, awning...not to mention the typical old vehicle issues). It got about 13 MPG (foot to the floor on the 22R) with a terminal velocity of 76 mpg (down a MOUNTAIN) and needed good luck to maintain 60 on level.

I ultimately rid myself of it (ebay!) because I just didn't feel safe driving around in that thing with my kids in the back.

Most of the stuff in that pricerange is made of a flimsy stick construction with fiberglass skin and paneling inside (with foam in the voids). They're REALLY crappy construction (trying to keep them light, I suppose).

If I were looking for something to live in for a year, I'd double that budget and get an old Airstream Motorhome (they made motorhomes too!). They are pretty cool. As far as I can tell...the airstream stuff is far and away better quality of construction than pretty much anything else out there (used). Granted, I have woefully little experience.

Three way refrigerators are good for running off propane...they suck batteries down QUICK though.

One thing to consider. Find somethign you can stand up in...if you're living in it full time, that will be a necessity.

Clem

Ian F
Ian F Dork
6/22/10 11:45 a.m.
PubBurgers wrote: The wife and I have been having this crazy idea that once we sell our house we'd like to travel the country in an RV for a year or so before settling down again. I have never owned or even considered owning an RV so i have a few questions on the subject. We're thinking about something of this general size in the $5K range: http://dayton.craigslist.org/rvs/1787823399.html Are there particular brands to look at? It seems like a lot are dodge or ford based with a few toyotas. Also, how are they in terms of reliability?

These are reletively reliable if maintained, just like anything else... some argue the chassis and drive train are taxed pulling around this much weight, but again - maintenence. The big problem is that most RV spend the majority of their life sitting... and mechanical things tend to degrade when not being used. Moreso if it lived outside in the elements. Finding one that was stored under a shefter when not used would be preferable. As far as which make, each will have their pros and cons, but maintenence is more important.

What kind of gas mileage can i expect from a smallish RV?

As mentioned... not very good... you might get 10 mpg with a feather foot. That said, I know of a couple of people with Spinter based RV's (one C class, the other B Class) and they got mileage well into the 20's... of course, you pay dearly for one of these (and heaven help you if it breaks...)... so it's a trade-off...

Are RV generators similar to home generators or something completely different?

Completely different... and pricey. For a general comparison, Northern Tool sells both. Why? Not sure as I've never dug into an RV genset. In general, they're more compact and designed to run continuously vs. a typical back-up generator which is not.

How long can a typical waste tank/battery go before needing emptied/charged?

It will depend on the size of the tank and usage. Too many variables to make an accurate guess. For example, toy-box type RV's usually have larger water tanks since they'll assume you'll be cleaning up in remote areas after physical/dirty activities. Power-wise, the battery is not really meant ot power much of anything. The electrics should run off the genset or external plug-in power.

Basically i need an all around schooling. thanks! Jacques

1-ton DRW van based RV's are known as Class C's. One's that look like conversion vans are Class-B's and the ones that look like houses on wheels are Class-A's.

With an RV, you pay for the convienence of beign able to stop just about anywhere you want. Cost-wise, however, it's a difficult arguement. A few years ago, my g/f's uncle sold their Class A - right before gas prices shot up. He basically said that between the gas costs, maintenence/repair costs and the ever-increasing camp-ground hook-up fees, it was becoming too expensive to keep. He nad his wife had fun with it, but he was glad to see it go.

Chris_V
Chris_V SuperDork
6/22/10 2:02 p.m.

How big do you need? I started with a converted ambulance (basically halfway between a class B and Class C) for dirt cheap. it was made by the same people that make Chinook brand RVs and was actually quite solid (no leaks ever, despite being a few decades old, due to virtually seamless fiberglass construction). Not bad for a couple people and a dog to travel around in:

Built it myself for about $1500

And of course, it looked it. But with 3 people and a couple dogs, it became too small, so we moved up to a '72 Winnebago:

Picked it up for $2500 and redid the interior a bit with new fixtures (cheap), pergo flooring, and a bit of new upholstery. Unfortunately, as cool as it was (and it was a conversation starter everywhere), there was just too much wrong with the fuel system and the two big rusty gas tanks. Even with removing them and scouring them out, there was always rust problems clogging up fuel filters, so changing fuel filters on the side of the road becaema routine event. Doing it twice from Hartford to Baltimore was enough. I also realized that unless you take a second vehcile, this is ALSO the vehicle you have to go shopping in, go to the restaurant in, etc. So we decided that having a tow vehcile and a travel trailer was a better solution for us, as the tow vehicle can be used everywhere.

Right now, this is the combo:

Modern fiberglass composite construction with wrap-around rubber roofing has eliminated 90% of the structural and leakage problems with old RVs. Stay away from any RV with aluminum siding and no rubber or fiberglass wrap-over roof. Other than that, most fixtures in an RV (lighting to plumbing to HVAC) is the same brand and model whether it'sa $10k small travel trailor or a $250k Class A motorhome. What you pay for is size, storage, and construction quality.

When looking at Class A's go back a couple years and for the same money get a diesel pusher if you can. If an older gas one is what your budget calls for, remember what I said about construction. Full fiberglass, fiberglass/rubber roof/ or all steel (like the '70s Superiors) are the ones to look at. If looking at Class Cs, don't get the bigger ones. A 30 ft with dual slideouts is at the ragged edge of having the chassis overloaded even when empty.

Oh, and on a motorhome, really low miles is not necessarily a good thing. They ALL tend to have low miles for their age due to lack of use much of the year, but that sitting can cause more problems than use. Besides dry rotting of tires easily (and they aren't cheap tires) the plastic tanks can become brittle, fuel tanks can get rusty inside, and the water lines tend to be problematic. Travel trailers also have issue with the electric brakes and with wheel bearings from sitting on them.

Dr. Hess
Dr. Hess SuperDork
6/22/10 2:46 p.m.

Besides Chris' excellent suggestions/observations, there was an article in The Mag on this very subject in the past couple of years. Is it available in the online section? Margie's Favorite (first) RV was in there, I think. Wasn't that a Dodge? And it broke down >1 time / use?

I think a Harley dresser and a little trailer would be more phun. I did that for 6 weeks without the little trailer once. It was a blast. Started out on just the black bike in the pic, then bought the turquoise bike (then black) on the road and continued on.

spitfirebill
spitfirebill Dork
6/22/10 2:52 p.m.

Anybody have the low down on the mid 70s GMC motohomes. I've been wanting one every since they came out. I know they have Olds engines and FWD and air bags on the rear

Chris_V
Chris_V SuperDork
6/22/10 3:45 p.m.

In reply to spitfirebill:

They hold their value pretty well, and are hard to find. A lot of the stuff in them is specific to them, however, so finding parts on the road is a bit harder to do than with the more conventional motorhomes.

They can be damn cool, however.

GMC Motorhome.com

Wally
Wally GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
6/22/10 4:16 p.m.
spitfirebill wrote: Anybody have the low down on the mid 70s GMC motohomes. I've been wanting one every since they came out. I know they have Olds engines and FWD and air bags on the rear

if you can hold out for the EM-50 package

Dr. Hess
Dr. Hess SuperDork
6/22/10 4:31 p.m.

I saw one of those GMC ones at Wall, S.D. last year at a gas station. The guy had restored it, but was having gas tank problems. I think gunk in the tank was clogging up the filter.

iceracer
iceracer Dork
6/22/10 5:39 p.m.

I rented a class C to go on vacation. The biggest problem I had was finding places to park it other than a mobile home park. I think I would rather drive my car and look for cheap motels, or even expensive ones with all the amenities.

924guy
924guy Dork
6/22/10 8:35 p.m.

Good stuff above!

Ill add that , in my humble opinion, newer is not necessarily better. Ive seen five year old RV's in far worse shape than 30 year old ones. The biggest pitfalls Ive run into are water leaks, and wiring/electrical issues.

As for the water leaks, they can be a bear to deal with. the water can leach across the rig far from the source leak. a soft floor in one corner, can be the result of a leak on the opposite end of the rig (and everything in between looks okay but is slowly rotting away where you cant see it.) And replacing the interior roof quickly turns into rebuilding half the rig. They will all leak at some point, even fiberglass ones, the key is to find out how badly the leak was, and how quickly it was addressed. I started with an apparent small leak in my old 70 chieftain, ended up replacing most of the walls and ceiling, inside and out, for ten feet forward of the rear wall. nasty, nasty job...

For some reason the wiring is rarely installed neatly or effectively in allot of rigs. they just seem to toss wires where ever they like and let them hang loose wherever you cant see it directly. easy fixes usually, but it takes patience and some electrical skills to get it in shape. look in the closets and under the dash, and at the batteries and generator for shoddy wiring.

On the upside, older rigs that have been maintained usually have these issues worked out already. the cheap one thats sat for ten years, probably hasnt had the proper attention since grandpa left this earth.

I like class a sportmans from the 70's, they were high end, and well built and comfortable, mpg's will suck, but thats the case with most rv's.

Coachmen rigs up to the early 90's can be a good buy as well, but look for polypropylene holding tanks and plumbing (very popular in the early and mid 90's) it will disintegrate on contact. if you see patches in plastic tanks, expect to have to replace them, and check to see if you can even get the right replacement tank, otherwise allot of plumbing and frustration will ensue.

airstream and grand villas are just plain awesome, IF they were kept up... thats all ive got ...

PubBurgers
PubBurgers Dork
6/23/10 3:57 a.m.

Wow, thanks for all the advice! Definitely have some thinking to do now.

Unfortunately we can't go super small as by the time we do this our son will be 3-4 years old. As someone mentioned, we've also been thinking about a truck/pull behind for the drop the trailer and drive the truck convenience. Do campers have the same pitfalls as RV's?

thanks!

Jacques

littleturquoiseb
littleturquoiseb HalfDork
6/23/10 6:11 a.m.
Wally wrote:
spitfirebill wrote: Anybody have the low down on the mid 70s GMC motohomes. I've been wanting one every since they came out. I know they have Olds engines and FWD and air bags on the rear
if you can hold out for the EM-50 package

It's not a Tank ... It's an Urban Assult Vehicle!

jrw1621
jrw1621 SuperDork
6/23/10 6:15 a.m.

http://cheaprvliving.com/index.html
This website came up recently in discussion on GRM. It is an interesting insight into the vagabond lifestyle. There are vehicle tips as well but mostly it is how to cope on the road/streets and live for less than $1k per month.

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