Formula 1-2022 Season

TheTallOne17 said:

It's a bit disappointing that the racing series with the best cornering cars in the world gets decided every week by who has the highest straight line speed. It makes sense, but it's also not satisfying to watch a car without DRS just walk away from cars with DRS lap after lap

I think the RBR car is amazingly great this year kind of like the 2020 merc or the Brawn. You may be able to most easily see the pace gap on the straight but the RBR grip on corner exits is Crazy this year. Just levels above mechanical grip out of slower and mid speed corners. I think they talked about it earlier this year that the RBR would have X Kph over the Ferrari at corner exit the Ferrari had higher speed mid straight Kph then the aero efficiency of the RBR allows them to hold the Ferrari pace by the braking zone. Early this season Ferrari had a race with better tire usage and so despite being the slower on the straight they beat the RBRs. 

I am going all in that the most exciting storyline for 2023 is going to be Alonso at Aston Martin.

jmabarone said:

Yes, Vettel deserved driver of the day but K-Mag should get an honorable mention for 30+ laps on a set of mediums.  

Alpine has a tank of a car, engine notwithstanding.  Except for mirror construction.  

I think Haas was right to file protests over the Perez endplate (which did fly off at speed, unlike any of Kevin's this year) and Alonso's mirror.  BUT, if you penalize Alonso, I think you need to give Perez a penalty too.  

Pretty good race, overall.  

Vettel did really well and Alonso pushing that car after the wreck was amazing but I gotta say Leclerc jumping 12 to 3 was pretty slick.

FIA not penalizing RBR for the endplate was bogus. 

"Michael, this is not right. 

Kevin had to change 3 wings this year" - Guenther Steiner

In reply to Javelin :

Would be yet another something for Horner to whine about,but yes a good sized pc of flapping carbon should have been called a hazard.

Looks like the FIA and Red Bull have agreed on their "penalty".

 I think it would be great for all us to be able to sit down with the cop/judge/jury and negotiate our plea bargain whenever we're caught being innocent :)

IMO, the FIA set a precedent when they had a sealed agreement with Ferrari about their engines in 2019.  

In reply to jmabarone :

And that unannounced penalty caused Ferrari to finish 6th instead of 2nd or 3rd. They didn't really get away with it. 
 

if the penalty makes RBR finish 6th in 2023, that would be enough. 

So, Max is on pace to set a real wins record this season, one more and he's the record holder, but it may not stop at 14.

Mexico may turn out to be more of the same between the top 3, tho it's a real dogfight further down the order.

Anyone think Lance will still be on the grid next year? I doubt Daddy BigBux will fire him, but I do not think he and Alonso will make a good pair next season.

Could also be some real fireworks at Alpine too between Gasly and Ocon. Ocon gets a little "verbal" when things don't go his way....

Unless he hits a major points paying result in the next three races I'm afraid Mick's tenure at HAAS may be over. Too bad too as I've seen real improvement in his work since the summer break, I would like to see him continue. I'm sure hoping they don't go with Giovinazzi tho, I think that would be a mistake they can't really afford. I think the Hulk might be a better choice, but I don't think he'll take them to the front of the grid.... 

I can remember a lot of complaints about Lewis winning all the time but he never won 13 races in one season. 

I figure Lance Stroll will be on the grid for 3 more years. By then Aston Martin should either be a winning team or not. 

In reply to loosecannon :

That's not a comparison between Max and Lewis,thats a comparison of whom their team mates were.

kevlarcorolla said:

In reply to loosecannon :

That's not a comparison between Max and Lewis,thats a comparison of whom their team mates were.

Agreed, and also RBR has often defended their old school methodology of putting all their resources behind their number 1 driver. It finally worked out after 6-7 years of trying. 

alfadriver said:

In reply to jmabarone :

And that unannounced penalty caused Ferrari to finish 6th instead of 2nd or 3rd. They didn't really get away with it. 
 

if the penalty makes RBR finish 6th in 2023, that would be enough. 

But was the fall from 2nd a result of the penalty or the loss of their advantage?  

In reply to jmabarone :

Probably both.  But nobody knows. 

Loss of advantage and not allowed to "fix" it. 

In probably the worst kept secret in F1, Audi announced today that it has bought a stake in Sauber and hopes to have an engine in the car an doing test mileage by 2025 - they already have 120 people working on the power unit.

Some think they have an advantage because while other teams are working on their current cars and conducting their race campaigns, Audi can just work on the motor while Sauber does the chassis development running Ferrari engines.

Since the immensely successful Porsche IPO ($75 billion?) and the death of Dietrich MateE36 M3z, I wonder if the Red Bull deal might come back to life in some form after all?

Edit: why can't the forum software let me spell his name correctly? it's ....schitz

In reply to MiniDave :

I'm not really sure if that helps Audi that much or not- they are doing a clean sheet engine whereas Honda, Mercedes, Ferrari, and Renault all have motors that are pretty close to what they need to be for 2026.  For the most part, the changes are to get rid of the e-turbo systems and allow for more battery recovery/usage.   The shift toward more green fuels is very helped out by the change this year- so they can all expect more of the same.

I have no strong expectations for either Audi or Porsche in their first seasons given the 12 years of knowledge that the other engine makers have of a very similar power unit.

FIA has released their report on the RBR cost cap stuff.   Here is the penalty info:

a) RBR must pay a Financial Penalty of USD 7,000,000 to the FIA within 30 days of the date of execution of the ABA (Article 9.5 of the Financial Regulations); 

b) RBR receives a Minor Sporting Penalty in the form of a limitation of RBR’s ability to conduct aerodynamic Testing during a period of 12 months from the date of execution of the ABA through the application of a reduction of 10% of the Coefficient C used to calculate the individual Restricted Wind Tunnel Testing (RWTT) and Restricted Computational Fluid Dynamics (RCFD) limits applicable to each Team as set out in Article 6 of Appendix 7 to the FIA Formula 1 Sporting Regulations. For example, if the Coefficient C, based on RBR’s championship position is 70%, the effective new value of C will be: CNEW=70% x (1-0.10) = 63.0%; and 

c) RBR bears the costs incurred by the Cost Cap Administration in connection with the preparation of the ABA.

In reply to Kubotai :

Seems significant to me; admittedly I'm not that savvy when to comes to the current rule set.

Bad Red Bull, bad boy, You go sit in the corner for 10 minutes.

In reply to L5wolvesf :

My take is this going to have a knock on effect; that will start nibbling on thier backside in 23......call it a small chink in the armour.

Alonso back to seventh at the US GP.

Basically Haas complained during the race as they should, Race Control told them they could file a protest up to an hour after the race so they did protest 54 minutes after the race...but the rule is actually only 30 minutes so Alpine protested that the protest was not valid so the protest of the protest was validated and the penalty was removed lol.

Glad race control has their E36 M3 together 

In the summary, it was revealed Red Bull exceeded the 2021 Cost Cap of £118,036,000 by less than 5% (£1,864.000 or 1.6%), which is a minor breach. The FIA said they acknowledge that had Red Bull applied “the correct treatment within its Full Year Reporting Documentation of their Notional Tax Credit within its 2021 submission of a value of £1,431,438” and therefore they would have exceeded the cap by $432,652 or 0.37%.

So it sounds like the FIA is saying that if they had just done their accounting correctly they would have exceeded it by only $400K out of a $140million budget?

So now the new budget will have to include a lot more accounting personnel?

I'm all for punishment when someone breaks the rules, but this seems a bit draconian in view of the size of the breach.

You can hire a lot of accountants for $7 Million.....

So this weekend Max can set a record for the most wins in a season, and I'm thinking it will be a record no one will ever break again as the competition is becoming even more ......well......even. I think Mercedes will be back on the top step at least a few times next season, Ferrari will also luck into a few and of course Red Bull will win too. Who knows but maybe Alpine, McLaren and maybe even Aston will hit the top of the podium next season? So even tho there are now 24 opportunities I think the level of competition will spread the wins thruout the field.

Isn't that exactly what F1 wanted, especially Brawn?

In reply to MiniDave :

It is what Ross said when these rules came out.  I'm relieved that the penalty was more than the breach- but we will see if this hurts or not.  Kind of expected that it would impact further testing, though.