This race was a mess, I imagine they're glad they have 3 weeks to recover, but I wonder if some teams are out of cap money now? I'm betting the teams will be happy to be back in the deserts.
Nothing like a good rain storm to even up the field and let some of the back markers come forward. Alpine made a major step forward in the standings, worth a load of $$$$ to them at the end of the year.
Sad for HAAS, but Lawson and Tsunoda sure made the best of the weekend. Both look like they should be driving for Red Bull instead of for the junior team, and both of them beat Perez even after the penalty to Piastri.
In reply to gixxeropa :
I've said the same here before,unless there's a pc of car hanging out of the tire they AND the car should be unchangeable.
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In reply to Streetwiseguy :
They're all whiney. Always have ben.
maschinenbau said:
Feel bad for those who pitted for full wets, only for race control to deem conditions too unsafe. Maybe if everyone had wets on, they'd be allowed to race... Honestly they should just ditch the full wets, rename the inters as wet, and SC for visibility as necessary.
Agreed, I'd ditch both inter and wet and replace with a tire just a bit more rain ready than the current inter and have it wear a bit harder in damp conditions to force tire changes/strategy.
SC for rain when 80% of the field is on inters seems like bullE36 M3 to me.
It was nice to see a wet race mostly run though today even if there was a bit of SC/Red flag.
adam525i said:
maschinenbau said:
Feel bad for those who pitted for full wets, only for race control to deem conditions too unsafe. Maybe if everyone had wets on, they'd be allowed to race... Honestly they should just ditch the full wets, rename the inters as wet, and SC for visibility as necessary.
Agreed, I'd ditch both inter and wet and replace with a tire just a bit more rain ready than the current inter and have it wear a bit harder in damp conditions to force tire changes/strategy.
SC for rain when 80% of the field is on inters seems like bullE36 M3 to me.
It was nice to see a wet race mostly run though today even if there was a bit of SC/Red flag.
How many more times do we have to go through this? Every time the track goes to full wets, the race is stopped. If that's the trigger to stop the race, then don't bother with the full wet tires- that saves a money in many ways by not having to make, carry, or dispose of those. Pointless.
gixxeropa said:
Lando simply doesn't have that dawg in him, don't think he'll get a championship unless he has a massively superior car next year. Even then, I think there's a chance piastri wins out
Not sure that Piastri could do better. When VER came up behind him, he gave up without a fight. Not sure why Zak didn't request that Piastri make his car as wide as possible.
As a non-Max fan, I tip my hat to his performance. Absolutely dominant in the race in Brazil.
If the red hadn't come out I wonder if Max would've really got much further towards the front.
Prior to that he was stuck behind Leclec for lap after lap showing no signs of moving forward,and being Max you can bet he would've passed if he could.
In reply to kevlarcorolla :
If we are going to play the could of game, if Lando got off to a better start, and got ahead of George, he may have been far enough ahead to pit while the VSC was still out, and gotten the "free" pit stop. Or if McLaren was more observant, they may have guessed that the VSC was about to end, and left him out to get in front of George- which would totally changed the red.
In reply to alfadriver :
The things you listed were up to the driver/team to make happen,the red flag was just luck.
Without that luck I'm not convinced Max makes it to the front and drives off.
While it was a damn good drive by Max to be sute was it really a once in a generation drive the pundits are blathering on about?
I mean Lewis made it from 20th to the lead last yr without the help of retirements or a free pitstop.(although he was less then impressive this yr lol)
In reply to kevlarcorolla :
I'm also seeing that Max is sticking it to the FIA and the British press. Given his drive yesterday, I see the exact opposite.
Just get in and drive, Max, that's all you need to to.
That whining about a chance change in the running- you had two of them go your way for the VSC and then the red flag. If you were paying attention, in the end, the random rulings become even over time. (and the complaining about the red during qualy was a red herring, since there was a second accident that forced it at that time).
The whining about the penalties where he's driving other cars off the track? You drove really well, and super clean for all the passes they showed during the race. So why do you feel the need to literally bully drivers off the track, or crash into you to make a pass?
You think you made a point that you are the best driver in the world, well, then put it up for the rest of the races, and stop whining when you don't get your way. And stop having to bully other cars when they are faster. Your "skill" should be capable of keeping it clean (and ahead, if you are really that good).
Stop whining and drive. Apparently you can actually do that.
In reply to alfadriver :
While I agree with your view I'm struggling to grasp how that's a response to me.
In reply to kevlarcorolla :
Almost none of it was. Just that Max is doing other things. And my wish that he would let his talent speak more than his actions and words.
In totally other news, who had Gabriel Bortoleto on their list of possible F1 drivers? Sauber/Audi signed him to a multi year contract. I guess I need to watch the lower tiers of racing to see who is coming up.
edit- now that I've seen what he's done (pretty quickly), I'm kind of bummed he got the Sauber seat for a few years instead of one bigger teams. Maybe Audi will straighten them out, but they are not a great team right now. Then again, he's part of the McLaren program, so he should get his chance. (I'm adding as I learn more about him)
edit again- so it looks that the only seats officially left is the one at Toro Rosso, and the very likely one at RBR. It sure seems that Lawson will get one of those, and likely that Colapinto will get the other.
Yes Lawson and Colapinto should both be on the grid,and if Lawrence Stroll is as serious about winning as it appears Lance should not be.
Likely only a couple yrs left in Alonso as well so Aston needs to be on top of recruitment like right now.
Maybe Daddy Stroll will eventually find a way to gently place Nepo Stroll into a seat in the Aston Martin Hypercar for the WEC.
And I'm only half-kidding, or less.
In reply to alfadriver :
Emerson kept on saying they need a Brazilian driver and it was getting some traction during the weekend, that it was all but done and will be announced after the race weekend.
Now Colapinto situation is confusing, because one report said Williams would release him for $20 Million to RB/V-Carb, which would seem ridiculous. However then the same rumor mill that said Bortoleto was in Audi, that RB was actually talking to Williams about Sainz Jr. which the ridiculous amount of $20 Million would make sense, because I think Sainz is underrated. To many sources are saying that Perez won't be back and RB management is not denying. Essentially the only person that thinks he is going to return is Perez. Otherwise everything seems to be set for next season, lots of young drivers on the grid should make it interesting. However I still think Alonso and Hamilton dicing back and forth will be amusing.
In reply to alfadriver :
Emerson kept on saying they need a Brazilian driver and it was getting some traction during the weekend, that it was all but done and will be announced after the race weekend.
Now Colapinto situation is confusing, because one report said Williams would release him for $20 Million to RB/V-Carb, which would seem ridiculous. However then the same rumor mill that said Bortoleto was in Audi, that RB was actually talking to Williams about Sainz Jr. which the ridiculous amount of $20 Million would make sense, because I think Sainz is underrated. To many sources are saying that Perez won't be back and RB management is not denying. Essentially the only person that thinks he is going to return is Perez. Otherwise everything seems to be set for next season, lots of young drivers on the grid should make it interesting. However I still think Alonso and Hamilton dicing back and forth will be amusing.
In reply to trigun7469 :
You can say that again..., :)
It's interesting that the need for a Brazilian driver was met by one who has had a lot of success in F3 and F2. Or the Brazilian racing powers really worked hard to give him opportunities and spent some effort to find the next Brazilian driver. Good for them- it has appeared to work, and I hope that his success in the lower races follow him to F1- having good drivers is always a blessing.
I'm betting he comes with decent money, too- as I've heard that about Colapinto, too. While money is always needed for the teams, at least they seemed to have found it with drivers that have real talent.
Regardless of which driver between Colapinto and Sainz RBR chooses, Williams is in good shape- they will get a mint for Sainz, or they will get a seat for their future driver.
In reply to alfadriver :
I am sure Felipe Drugovich is wondering why he isn't getting any calls especially since he is Brazilian, but maybe he is part of the Alonso El Plan.
If Colapinto ends up not being sign, he has been quoted as looking to driver in another series, Juncos in indycar would make a lot of sense with the owner being of the same nationality.
We talk young drivers- some insight on the beginning process. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QSSPgwN8Kg
In reply to trigun7469 :
At the moment he is highly likely to get signed by Alpine and Red Bull can bring a surprise as well. I think we will see him racing in F1 next season.
Alpine have secured a deal with Mercedes to run the German manufacturer’s power unit from 2026 until at least the end of 2030.
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article/alpine-to-use-mercedes-power-units-and-gearbox-from-2026.5jzzbQeHx7aPT3hoP5hRtc
Some shake ups at Aston Martin- the technical director is moving away from the F1 team. Some of the news outlets are making a big deal of this given Aston's struggle over the past 12 months. To me, it seems more that Newey is taking more charge of what is going on- which is very expected.
But at the same time, it has to be a tough place to put a lot of effort into when you have one driver who had his car rebuilt and then didn't even make the grid because of a formation lap mistake at the last race.
Haas is such a contrast to a team like Aston Martin- and their current upswing in performance is pretty amazing.
alfadriver said:
Some shake ups at Aston Martin- the technical director is moving away from the F1 team. Some of the news outlets are making a big deal of this given Aston's struggle over the past 12 months. To me, it seems more that Newey is taking more charge of what is going on- which is very expected.
But at the same time, it has to be a tough place to put a lot of effort into when you have one driver who had his car rebuilt and then didn't even make the grid because of a formation lap mistake at the last race.
Haas is such a contrast to a team like Aston Martin- and their current upswing in performance is pretty amazing.
I don't think newey is doing anything at AM. I believe he is supposed to be away from his current team and can't actually join AM until his "gardening leave" is finished.
Edit. He can start working with the team on March 1,2025.
In reply to wvumtnbkr :
Ok, maybe not Newey directly, but the team preparing for him to get there. Could be the blame game, given how bad of a season they have been having.
In reply to alfadriver :
I expect Aston Martin to have much better results in the next season with Newey in its ranks.
