Did anybody watch Drive to Survive 2 on Netflix? Hard for me to believe that Williams won't be closing their doors. I saw another documentary where Claire was refusing to change her ways. Meanwhile Toto looks like the next owner of F1.
Did anybody watch Drive to Survive 2 on Netflix? Hard for me to believe that Williams won't be closing their doors. I saw another documentary where Claire was refusing to change her ways. Meanwhile Toto looks like the next owner of F1.
Binged season 2 over the weekend. I think (read: hope) that the 2021 rules will help Williams come to parity. I think they got caught behind in the car development and have been on the back foot the whole time. It's interesting to see how nice Claire is compared to the rumors I've heard about how much of a hard ass Frank could be.
I didn't find season 2 as interesting as season 1, but not sure I could point out why.
-Rob
rob_lewis said:Binged season 2 over the weekend. I think (read: hope) that the 2021 rules will help Williams come to parity. I think they got caught behind in the car development and have been on the back foot the whole time. It's interesting to see how nice Claire is compared to the rumors I've heard about how much of a hard ass Frank could be.
I didn't find season 2 as interesting as season 1, but not sure I could point out why.
-Rob
I also binged it over the weekend. Even though they used to be my favorite team and I want them to survive, I suspect they have 3 years to make a big turn around or it's over with.
rob_lewis said:Binged season 2 over the weekend. I think (read: hope) that the 2021 rules will help Williams come to parity. I think they got caught behind in the car development and have been on the back foot the whole time. It's interesting to see how nice Claire is compared to the rumors I've heard about how much of a hard ass Frank could be.
I didn't find season 2 as interesting as season 1, but not sure I could point out why.
-Rob
From other sources, it sounds like they got caught out on lack of correlation. And given their results, that started sometime in 2018 and was totally used ont the 2019 car. While we will never hear it, likely, I wonder when someone first found out and it was not changed. Makes me more suspect Paddy Lowe than Claire- as he was let go once the '19 car turned out to be a disaster.
I hope that Claire takes some management ideas from Toto Wolfe, as it seems to me that Mercedes has the best overall team, by a very wide margin.
We all know that pre season testing is not really a true indicator, but I will find it extremely conincidental if Ferrari is really down on pace, shortly after FIA came to an agreement with them about their fuel flow situation.
"There was no performance advantage. We just did it differently, because, well, you know, reasons and stuff."
In reply to Streetwiseguy :
Given the leeway Ferrari have to do what they want in F1, they had to have been cheating really badly to get dinged like this.
I'm halfway through season 2 and Gunter doesn't fail to entertain. He should have fired both drivers though!
In reply to Dave M :
Watching Season two, I think that 2020 season is the last season for Haas based on the tone. They don't really have a solid driver in the wings, Pietro Fittipaldi showed he was fast in indycar but nobody is nocking the door down to have him. Based on the driver market they can't recruit a top tier driver, like a Ocon. It's impressive that Kubica can drive a F1 car based on his injury, but he can't get you on the podium either can Hulkenburg. Otherwise you are looking at castoffs in Formula E.Maybe lure Pierre Gasly, but it's really a mixed bag of results. It would be smart if they started to actually recruit young drivers, which makes me questions if they are serious about staying in F1. If you look in F2 for potential drivers that are part of the Ferrari line up the names are bigger then the talent with Mick and Giuliano. Then you are competing with Alfa, which is probably the better outfit because Kimi makes them look good.
I haven't seen all of the season yet, but there is a marked difference in leadership styles at Hass. Gene seems a lot more serious about his statements despite being less, umm, dramatic than Gunther.
The Hass driver problem may stem from the fact that they're far outside the development programs. They can't nurture a driver like Ocon or Verstappen or Leclerc, they have to find someone on the open market. And that's difficult.
Ross Brawn just said that if any teams are restricted from traveling to a race, no championship race would take place, leaving the door open to holding a non-championship race. If a non-championship race is going to take place, why not take the opportunity to try new things like reversed grid or all teams must use all 3 compounds of tires during the race?
There have been non-championship races before. No need for gimmicks.
In reply to trigun7469 :
That's a really good point. I still that there has to be a better option for them than those two! At least Grosjean. He's not fast and makes lots of bad mistakes - pitlane crash anyone - which is the worst combo. If they can't hire anyone from F2 go farther afield. There's no Super Formula or Indycar drivers who want a F1 drive? But yes, it seems like they're not sticking around for 2021....
Keith Tanner said:I haven't seen all of the season yet, but there is a marked difference in leadership styles at Hass. Gene seems a lot more serious about his statements despite being less, umm, dramatic than Gunther.
The Hass driver problem may stem from the fact that they're far outside the development programs. They can't nurture a driver like Ocon or Verstappen or Leclerc, they have to find someone on the open market. And that's difficult.
Having watched much of the series, Haas is in big trouble over the long term if Steiner keeps his attitude so much against the phrase "I don't know". He's not going to get a lot of people willing to tell him the truth if he's going to react the way he does to his overall team. F1 is HARD. If it were easy, everyone would do it. Even the best of the best teams have problems (see Williams and McLaren)- and seeing how Mercedes, or more correctly how Wolfe (and Lauda) created a team looks to be the best path to copy.
Mercedes dominates due to the team, and because it creates an atmosphere of creativity so strong that they have kept in front of the field for this entire chassis era. Their improvements have always been *that* much better than everyone else. Gunther really needs to use that direction to maximize the creativity of such a small team.
trigun7469 said:In reply to Dave M :
Watching Season two, I think that 2020 season is the last season for Haas based on the tone. They don't really have a solid driver in the wings, Pietro Fittipaldi showed he was fast in indycar but nobody is nocking the door down to have him. Based on the driver market they can't recruit a top tier driver, like a Ocon. It's impressive that Kubica can drive a F1 car based on his injury, but he can't get you on the podium either can Hulkenburg. Otherwise you are looking at castoffs in Formula E.Maybe lure Pierre Gasly, but it's really a mixed bag of results. It would be smart if they started to actually recruit young drivers, which makes me questions if they are serious about staying in F1. If you look in F2 for potential drivers that are part of the Ferrari line up the names are bigger then the talent with Mick and Giuliano. Then you are competing with Alfa, which is probably the better outfit because Kimi makes them look good.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/gene-haas-future-team-2021/4712536/
Haas confirms what you suggest.
He has a good point about 2021 being where you make the decision.
alfadriver said:trigun7469 said:In reply to Dave M :
Watching Season two, I think that 2020 season is the last season for Haas based on the tone. They don't really have a solid driver in the wings, Pietro Fittipaldi showed he was fast in indycar but nobody is nocking the door down to have him. Based on the driver market they can't recruit a top tier driver, like a Ocon. It's impressive that Kubica can drive a F1 car based on his injury, but he can't get you on the podium either can Hulkenburg. Otherwise you are looking at castoffs in Formula E.Maybe lure Pierre Gasly, but it's really a mixed bag of results. It would be smart if they started to actually recruit young drivers, which makes me questions if they are serious about staying in F1. If you look in F2 for potential drivers that are part of the Ferrari line up the names are bigger then the talent with Mick and Giuliano. Then you are competing with Alfa, which is probably the better outfit because Kimi makes them look good.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/gene-haas-future-team-2021/4712536/
Haas confirms what you suggest.
I suspect that article is going to really help morale at the factory.
Keith Tanner said:There have been non-championship races before. No need for gimmicks.
Yes, I know but if you're going to run a race without all the teams and there are no points at stake, why not try something different to experiment without consequences and boost ratings? I would just DVR a non-championship race with 16 cars but I would stay up all night to watch that same race with reverse grid
In reply to z31maniac :
That's where Gunther needs to change his approach. Let the team be creative, show results, and show Gene that they have real potential going into the future. Dallara should be all over this, since they have a significant amount of information about ground effects and race cars- they have been working on it for a couple of decades now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGu--_UHY_o
be fun to watch.
And anyone hear about the non-ferrari teams' letter to the FIA? It's pretty interesting.
alfadriver said:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGu--_UHY_o
be fun to watch.
And anyone hear about the non-ferrari teams' letter to the FIA? It's pretty interesting.
That should be an interesting track. Looks like a couple of good passing zones.
As an aside, how old does a car have to be before you can run it in an unsanctioned test? That one had no halo, so its at least three years old. Plus, it sounded kind RPM-ey, but maybe I just haven't heard a turbo with nobody else around for a while.
In reply to Streetwiseguy :
Sounded to me like one of Vettel's old cars. Not a turbo v6 at all.
edit- a look into the sporting regulations (which is shockingly small at 71 pages...), there's a section for testing. Testing current cars, testing previous cars, and testing historic cars. Historic being previous generation or older. Historic cars have almost no testing restrictions. So it seems that it was one of the previous Red Bulls.
In reply to alfadriver :
Yeah, you could tell by the engine it was from the V8 era. There was another video of him doing circles and you can see the weird high nose/low wing setup.
mildly related to F1, since I follow the news on the tube of u's.
If anyone has been following Autosport's youtube channel the last couple of years, have you noticed that many of those presenters has moved to The Race? And apparenlty they also have a new magazine, too.
Any idea what happened?
With the FIA shooting Liberty Media in the foot with this political debacle. And the 7 other teams unified against them. Could there be a sweeping change to save the investment?
Could the ACO or similar govern F1 ? And leave the FIA with formula ferrari.
2021 needs a new concord agreement. Does that specify the governing body?
Mercedes could leave the series after this year.
Renault might have no choice.
Does Honda stay with the cards stacked against them?
Inquiring minds want to know.
z31maniac said:In reply to alfadriver :
Yeah, you could tell by the engine it was from the V8 era. There was another video of him doing circles and you can see the weird high nose/low wing setup.
That was an RB8, the 2012 season car.
BarryNorman said:With the FIA shooting Liberty Media in the foot with this political debacle. And the 7 other teams unified against them. Could there be a sweeping change to save the investment?
Could the ACO or similar govern F1 ? And leave the FIA with formula ferrari.
2021 needs a new concord agreement. Does that specify the governing body?
Mercedes could leave the series after this year.
Renault might have no choice.
Does Honda stay with the cards stacked against them?
Inquiring minds want to know.
So, the FIA responded to the protest letter:
https://www.fia.com/news/fia-statement-following-communication-seven-formula-1-teams
As I understand it, it's basically saying,
We know they're cheating, they know they're cheating, we can't prove they are, they can't prove their not without exposing a bunch of their other tech. So, to keep from lawsuits flying around, they've agreed to stop and we believe they will, but will be watching them closely.
-Rob
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