Ok so I am trying to figure out a racing class to race my Spitfire in. It is a '64 that has been modified to take a 1296cc. It has a CASC tag (5108) so it was raced at one time. I can't find a log book or any history on it. Most of the vintage racing organizations seem like they won't take a car with an engine of different displacement from stock and I can't seem to figure out what category in SCCA club racing it would fall in. I thought it would be FP but I am not really sure.
No one?
Have you downloaded the SCCA rule book from the SCCA website? It's free. Depending on configuration and modifications (engine and/or suspension), a Spit could be run in F, H, or GP.
Yes I am looking at it but I am having trouble following it and it doesn't look like it will allow a Mk1 with a later model engine to be raced in any of categories unless I am misreading.
Might I suggest our neighbors?
http://classicmotorsports.net
I'm not as familiar with SCCA Club Racing rules as I'd like to be. You might have better luck (and more fun) with that car in a vintage racing organization like HSR.
Tom Heath wrote: Might I suggest our neighbors? http://classicmotorsports.net I'm not as familiar with SCCA Club Racing rules as I'd like to be. You might have better luck (and more fun) with that car in a vintage racing organization like HSR.
I asked over there as well. No luck so far.
This is all it says on the HSR rules.
The engine must be of the same type and material as originally provided in the year of manufacture. Period type engine modifications are permitted. For every car entered, the specific engine displacement must be disclosed in a certified engine builder’s form.
I know I can't do SVRA since they say that the engine must be stock displacement.
Engine: The correct engine displacement is required. The entrant must, with certainty, disclose the actual engine displacement. Engines must be of the original type; size and design as originally fitted by the manufacturer and be in the correct location.
93EXCivic wrote:Tom Heath wrote: Might I suggest our neighbors? http://classicmotorsports.net I'm not as familiar with SCCA Club Racing rules as I'd like to be. You might have better luck (and more fun) with that car in a vintage racing organization like HSR.I asked over there as well. No luck so far.
The demographics are a little different...your message is still pretty fresh. Give the world some time to help you research, eh?
I'll bet you a nickel that a phone call or email to someone at HSR would give you a blessing to race your car with their club. It may take more than a few hours of waiting, but I'd be shocked (really, really surprised) if they didn't welcome you.
There are lots of vintage groups that would accept this car with an uprated engine as long as you're running a moderately stock 1300 Spit engine (and not something exotic like a Stag V8 in there).
You really need to go to an event and talk to the guys running to see how things are truly interpreted. It's not as strict as you might think. The main thing is that other racers will complain if your car has some exotic "killer" motor, but an ordinary 1300 Spit engine in an older 1147 car is no big deal at all (at least in the SVRA and VRG events that I'm at).
Worst case, might be they put you in a faster class, but in vintage you'll probably still be in the same run group since many classes are combined anyway.Remember, in vintage there's generally no trophies or prizes. It's all just for bragging rights. I race with several 1275 Bugeyes that are supposed to have 948s. One even has an offset bore 1380 engine. Fortunately, he can't drive, so it's no big deal.
My 1500 Midget is running a 1275 instead of the proper engine, which is technically not legal but a complete non-issue here in the northeast.
The #1 thing is to go to a race and talk to people who actually race. They'll clue you in on the real way things work (and how "flexible" the rules are). Make sure the car has good safety gear and I can't imagine they'd turn you away for running the 1300 engine in that car.
If you want to run a successful SCCA Spitfire these days, the cost would probably be three times the cost of running a "fun" Spit in vintage.
I read the title as READING GLASSES. Ummmaybe I need new ones. 
aeronca65t wrote: There are lots of vintage groups that would accept this car with an uprated engine as long as you're running a moderately stock 1300 Spit engine (and not something exotic like a Stag V8 in there). You really need to go to an event and talk to the guys running to see how things are truly interpreted. It's not as strict as you might think. The main thing is that other racers will complain if your car has some exotic "killer" motor, but an ordinary 1300 Spit engine in an older 1147 car is no big deal at all (at least in the SVRA and VRG events that I'm at). Worst case, might be they put you in a faster class, but in vintage you'll probably still be in the same run group since many classes are combined anyway.Remember, in vintage there's generally no trophies or prizes. It's all just for bragging rights. I race with several 1275 Bugeyes that are supposed to have 948s. One even has an offset bore 1380 engine. Fortunately, he can't drive, so it's no big deal. My 1500 Midget is running a 1275 instead of the proper engine, which is technically not legal but a complete non-issue here in the northeast. The #1 thing is to go to a race and talk to people who actually race. They'll clue you in on the real way things work (and how "flexible" the rules are). Make sure the car has good safety gear and I can't imagine they'd turn you away for running the 1300 engine in that car. If you want to run a successful SCCA Spitfire these days, the cost would probably be three times the cost of running a "fun" Spit in vintage.
That is what I was hoping to hear. I am really just looking to have fun not win little plastic trophies. I am going to probably start with a 1500 for the time being and rebuild the 1296cc later down the road.
Contact the chief tech inspector (scrutineer) of your SCCA region. They should be able to answer your questions or point you to some Spit racers in the area.
Get in w/ the Spit racers regardless, they will help shorten your learning curve. The old timers have probably seen it all, invaluable contacts.
Race it where ? You need to decide what sort of racing you want to do then find the appropiate group for their rules.
iceracer wrote: Race it where ? You need to decide what sort of racing you want to do then find the appropiate group for their rules.
I want to do historic racing with it.
They generally aren't too fussy in the vintage classes, especially if your not fast.
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