Ever not fallen in love with a car you should have fallen in love with?
Yup, happened to me.
After a seven-year courtship, however, I think I have a romance brewing with my M3. I know, I can move slowly.
This one, like so many other partnerships, wasn’t planned. Way before the pandemic, I merely mentioned to my friend …
What's in the DSW fleet these days? do you still have the Innocenti? and the 911SC?
Had an uncle who always bought Cadillacs. Rarely drove 'em. Kept plastic on the seats and stacks of newspaper on top of the floor mats. So it's certainly a valid affliction. I don't have it. I regularly turn $1800 worth of 200tw tires into slicks in 6-8 weeks. Same for brake pads, fuel, oil, track fees, etc. With this hobby the fiscally responsible need not apply. Not fully enjoying a car so the next guys can, hoping he'll pay more, would be a tiny bit of sense in a sea of lunacy. Although it's a thing, I'm a full on lunatic I guess.
AngryCorvair (Forum Supporter) said:What's in the DSW fleet these days? do you still have the Innocenti? and the 911SC?
Sadly we the sold the Innocenti Mini to buy our current Civic Si. So we have that plus the M3, 911 Carrera and Miata.
another vote for DRIVING cars from me...not that anyone would care about one man's opinion.
however, if you care to indulge me, I would propose that art hangs on the wall...people look at it
statues fight gravity, people look at them.
musical instruments make music...play them.
when the time comes, a specialistic in restoration can enjoy his project....and restore something.
everybody is happy.
David S. Wallens said:AngryCorvair (Forum Supporter) said:What's in the DSW fleet these days? do you still have the Innocenti? and the 911SC?
Sadly we the sold the Innocenti Mini to buy our current Civic Si. So we have that plus the M3, 911 Carrera and Miata.
That's still a nice setup.
In reply to z31maniac :
Thanks and, yeah, no complaints at all. If anything, I’d only like more time to enjoy them. (Okay, also wouldn’t mind something I’m comfortable putting on track–more about that soon.)
I regret selling mine, and worse, I regret not buying it back when it was offered to me. If I weren't space limited I'd be all over acquiring another one.
ZOO (Forum Supporter) said:I regret selling mine, and worse, I regret not buying it back when it was offered to me. If I weren't space limited I'd be all over acquiring another one.
In this case, I wasn’t looking for an M3 as it found me. (Truth be told, I was looking for a BRZ at the moment.)
BimmerMaven said:another vote for DRIVING cars....
A speed bump there is the insurance industry. "Normal" auto insurance companies don't issue limited-use policies -- cutting back your estimated mileage saves you almost nothing. And classic car insurers make it no secret they don't want you to drive your classic car in the real world. Drive it to shows, drive it to the mechanic, take it out occasionally for "pleasure" if you must...lock it away the rest of the time! So you have a choice -- pay out for a regular policy, which becomes pretty expensive past a couple of cars (lunatics we may be, but most don't have bottomless pockets), insure as a classic and skate along the edge of the use limitations, knowing you'll be dropped at the first claim, or limit yourself to the occasional weekend.
(Meanwhile, if you happen to see [redacted] or [redacted] at the grocery store, Home Depot, or somewhere near my place of work, someone told me there was going to be a car show in the parking lot. Or I'm doing a post-maintenance test drive. Or driving during business hours for pleasure.)
In reply to Warlock :
I dont think any of what you wrote is true. I drove my S2000 insured by Hagerty from Florida to California via Colorado and back. I then drove that same car from Florida to the tail of the dragon twice and back. I always made sure to call Hagerty beforehand and ask, every-time they told me go for it.
Yeah, I have my Cayman on a Chubb collector policy and they didn't care when I told them I was driving it cross-country from Seattle to Florida.
That's an E46, right?
Excellent cars - my 07 Z4M coupe has the same brilliant engine. You get more creature comforts and room, while I get a sports car rather than a sedan and less space than you have. Pretty much a toss up. Fortunately my background (old British sports cars with side screens) made me less worried about creature comforts than styling and performance. Plus the torsional rigidity of my car is 32,000 Nm/degree while the E 46 coupe is 12,000. But you can carry more cases of wine than mine can so you win!
In reply to wspohn :
Yes, e46.
Out of curiosity, what creature comforts does the e46 m3 have that your z4 doesnt? Padded armrest?
Also, not that it matters at all, but the e46 m3 torsional rigidity is listed at 18500nm/deg. You are listing the regular e46.
e46 m3 also has 3 more hp lol.
My E46 is a keeper -- had it about nine years now. It was my first real performance car so similarly took a while to learn to drive it and not worry so much about it. It's now down about 250 pounds from stock with a full interior (lighter and faster than a Z4M ;) and enough room for a fully loaded drive to and from the track with wife and dog) and it's pretty straightforward to get the S54 up to a reliable 370-400HP these days with headers, carbon airbox and cams.
In reply to repoman :
Pictures? :)
Slippery said:In reply to Warlock :
I dont think any of what you wrote is true.
Look in your exclusions. I'll buy lunch if your policy doesn't contain language to the extent of "We will not pay for loss or damage to your covered auto while it is being used for other than occasional pleasure use." And I'll double it if your policy doesn't require you to own a separately insured car as a "principle means of transportation."
Warlock said:Slippery said:In reply to Warlock :
I dont think any of what you wrote is true.
Look in your exclusions. I'll buy lunch if your policy doesn't contain language to the extent of "We will not pay for loss or damage to your covered auto while it is being used for other than occasional pleasure use." And I'll double it if your policy doesn't require you to own a separately insured car as a "principle means of transportation."
How do you want to pay for my lunch?
Better take their advice and read your policy beyond the highlights. From the website Classic Car Insurance | Collector Car Insurance Quote | Hagerty
"Flexible usage
Insuring a classic or collector car through Hagerty allows occasional pleasure use.** You can go for a weekend drive, take your vehicle up to the local ice cream shop or attend unlimited events and cruises."
And the infamous fine print at the bottom says:
"** Occasional pleasure use does not mean use for daily driving to and from work or school, routine shopping, etc."
It's not the distance they're trying to limit...it's the frequency. Call Hagerty and tell 'em you like to drive your S2000 to Publix every week.... :)
If we find ourselves in the same part of the state sometime, I'll still buy lunch as your consolation prize - PM me if you want.
In reply to Warlock :
Lol, I don't need a consolation price.
Let me remind you of what you wrote"
Warlock said:
And classic car insurers make it no secret they don't want you to drive your classic car in the real world. Drive it to shows, drive it to the mechanic, take it out occasionally for "pleasure" if you must...lock it away the rest of the time!
The above is not true.
I drove my car 8000 miles from Fl to Ca and back during a 3 week period.
Tom drove his Cayman from Seattle to Fl, probably a good 4k miles.
Both cars were insured during that period.
BTW, I have three cars insured through them never felt that I was being limited. I also do not go crashing and running into problems when I do. You do you.
I own a 1963 Mercury comet s22 convertible just like my first car at 17.. Purchased around 14 months ago... I have Hagerty coverage on it. I'm retired and at an evening car cruise daily and a car show usually both weekend days... I put 9k miles on it last year. I was hit and run while driving home from a cruise in.. Obtained no info as the guy that hit me j
ust kept going... Submitted pics to Hagerty and they deposited the repair funds in my account. It cost more than their estimate to repair the rear bumper, I submitted that cost difference. Again they sent that to my Account.. My suggestion, drive it...!!!
I bought my non-M3 3.0L E46 convertible literally days before the lockdown began 4 years ago for $1,500. As I was driving it back from a run up to the junkyard last weekend with the top down and having a great time, I got to thinking if there was a vehicle that I'd ever owned or (as I thought about it more) simply driven that I enjoyed as much as I did driving the E46. Nothing that I've owned matches up- the Turbo Rampage is probably a respectable second place, but its handling was a bit of a mess and while it was a blast when the turbo spooled up it also had so much torque steer that it was worrisome and it was nowhere near as comfortable of a ride as the E46. As far as having simply driven- the only thing that might match up would be the Suzuki Swift that I drove for 4 laps around the Ring 11 years ago and that was a pretty much full-blown race prepped car.
It looks great, handles like a dream, just GOES like a bat out of hell when you hit the throttle, and is just fun to drive around (especially with the top down, but even with it up it's still the most fun vehicle to drive that I own). It was probably the best car purchase I've ever made and most certainly one that I've never for a second regretted.
An E46 is pretty much the perfect size and shape, right?
I’m kicking myself for not buying my friend’s E46 Touring several years ago–stick, rear-drive, no sunroof, silver over silver.
I had just gotten the Subaru Impreza wagon, and I figured I’d easily find another one. (Narrator: He did not.)
My parents had two E46 sedans and enjoyed them.
Took the M3 out this weekend to do breakfast with a friend. We try to do breakfast every few weeks. One, it’s good to catch up and, two, it gets the cars out of the garage.
We had bagels.
Slippery said:In reply to Warlock :
Lol, I don't need a consolation price.
Let me remind you of what you wrote"
Warlock said:
And classic car insurers make it no secret they don't want you to drive your classic car in the real world. Drive it to shows, drive it to the mechanic, take it out occasionally for "pleasure" if you must...lock it away the rest of the time!
The above is not true.
I drove my car 8000 miles from Fl to Ca and back during a 3 week period.
Tom drove his Cayman from Seattle to Fl, probably a good 4k miles.Both cars were insured during that period.
BTW, I have three cars insured through them never felt that I was being limited. I also do not go crashing and running into problems when I do. You do you.
How about "I want to drive my Esprit Turbo for the three months of the year that it isn't rainy or snowy".
An 8000mi road trip counts as a pleasure cruise, 30 miles round trip every day between June and September probably doesn't.
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