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roninsoldier83
roninsoldier83 GRM+ Memberand HalfDork
10/10/24 10:36 a.m.

In reply to docwyte :

Nope, I did not drive the Competition. Even though it might be worth it, comparable mileage, manual transmission Competition cars are about ~$8000 more expensive than the OG M2's. The fine folks at Car and Driver clocked the OG N55 M2 at o-60mph in 4.2 seconds, running the 1/4 mile in 12.7@113mph. By comparison, they clocked the S55 powered Competition at 3.9 seconds to 60mph, running the quarter in 12.4@114mph. $8000 is a lot of money for 3 tenths of a second and 1mph in additional trap speed, at least to me. It probably didn't help that the Competition gained around ~150 lbs, according to C&D's scales. It also appeared to lose the thigh support extensions in the seats, for some odd reason?!? It took 24 hours of negotiating and a lot of mental gymnastics to talk myself into getting an OG M2. I don't think I could have talked myself into spending an additional $8000+ for the Competition. 

I've never driven the RS3, so I suppose I can't speak to it. However I have driven the TTRS, which, for all intents and purposes, is a similar car. I remember it being very fast and accelerating with a smooth, constant wave of torque. On paper, it seemed like a hell of a car. In real life, it left me cold. To be fair, when we drove it (probably about a year ago?), we drove it on the same day we drove a C5 Z06. My wife and I both agreed that the C5 Z06 was by far the more fun car, even if the TTRS was just as fast, if not faster at our elevation. When I told my wife that the TTRS was likely faster than the Z06 up here while driving it, she didn't believe me lol. She wasn't watching the rate of acceleration on the speed-o. There was just a lack of drama as the TTRS pulled seamlessly on what felt like a flat plateau of torque. It was so smooth that the sensation of speed didn't feel violent. Minus the limited small-coupe visibility, I'm sure it would have made a fine daily, but I didn't have as much fun in it as I was hoping for. I did like the 5 cylinder noises, though. 

I've owned a MK6 GTI, a MK6 Golf R and a MK7 Golf R in the past (all manuals). The last VAG product I owned was my MK7 Golf R that I bought brand new in 2016 (MY2016). I kept it for a year, and then traded it in on a Focus RS (the Golf R was by far the better daily, but the Focus RS was WAY more fun!). I suspect my taste in cars has changed a bit over the years, as the last couple of MK8 GTI's I drove (one manual and one DSG) both left me cold, just like the TTRS. I respect how comfortable and seamlessly quick they are, but I don't find them to be engaging, so they turn me off. It also doesn't help that most of the MQB-based VAG chassis cars don't put my right knee into a comfortable position, which is a me problem, not a car problem. I would be curious to hear what you think about the RS3, if you get a chance to drive one, but I probably won't waste a salesman's time over a car I don't believe I would truly be interested in. 

P3PPY
P3PPY GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
10/10/24 1:10 p.m.

I'm happy for you that you found something worthy of taking the garage space!

 

I am also sad that this probably means you won't be posting your enjoyable test drive reviews anymore.

roninsoldier83
roninsoldier83 GRM+ Memberand HalfDork
10/10/24 8:49 p.m.

In reply to P3PPY :

No need to worry about that- I have a reoccurring pattern of making up absurd reasons for switching cars and going on test drives "just to see". I'm sure it won't be long before I'm back in the game. 

roninsoldier83
roninsoldier83 GRM+ Memberand HalfDork
1/17/25 5:30 p.m.

2010 NC2 Mazda Miata - Grand Touring - Soft-top - 6MT w/sport package - 29k miles on the clock

It's been a while. I've been stepping back from test driving cars for a myriad of reasons. Although I suppose this wasn't a test drive. I actually bought the car and figured I would give my impressions of it. 




I first need to call out my own bias. I'm a Japanese roadster guy, through and through. This is my 7th Miata (8th if you count my wife's former ND1), having parked all 4 generations in my garage at one point or another. I've also owned two S2000's, with my second AP2 holding the record for the longest I've ever kept a vehicle. Over the years, I've managed to squeeze my 6'2" frame into each of these tiny little cars, all in the name of promoting the ultimate driving ideal: fun.

Before I go further I should just come clean with it: of all the Miata's, the "tugboat" NC is my favorite. In some circles, I might get burned at the stake for speaking such blasphemy. I should probably address the Miata-sized elephant in the room to potentially help understand some of my bias: of all generations of Miatae, the NC is the one I actually fit inside without resorting to chopping up seats and removing interior bits. Although it's the largest of the breed, it's still a small, 2500 lbs roadster. If I'm being honest, it's probably the smallest car I reasonably fit in (I just can't get comfortable in the ND). It literally has just enough room that I can drive it for longer periods of time without cramping up. I can see how some smaller folks might prefer a different generation where size isn't a concern, but for me, the NC is the smallest car I can comfortably fit my larger frame into—and it's absolutely perfect.

Getting into this particularly well cared for, low mileage car, everything feels tight and well-screwed together. It's an older car, so you're not going to find the latest and greatest in the world of technology, but the materials feel well-made. I find the seats to be comfortable with just enough bolstering to not have you flying around the car when the corners start coming. 

Setting off in the NC is a breeze. Like all Miata's, the clutch is light, intuitive and easy to use. This is a car you could teach your kids to drive stick on, even if they're more interested in TikTok videos and experimental hair colors than they are in this strange 3-pedal arrangement. Speaking of which, like all the generations before and after it, the pedals are perfectly spaced, making heel-toe downshifts feel like they're second nature. 

I really hate to cut and paste things I've said about previous Miata shifters, but honestly, they're pretty much universally wonderful to use (*sans my old 2004 Mazdaspeed, which was, umm, questionable). So precise, well spaced and engaging. I've driven just about everything and nothing without a Honda badge on the front of the car even comes close. 

The little 167hp 2.0L 4-banger is a willing little engine that suits the chassis just fine. It's nothing to write home about. With the sound tube pumped into the inside of the cabin, it actually makes a pretty aggressive induction noise that adds character to the car. The motor is perfectly willing to tach up and down, with no real dead spots to speak of. No, it can't match the VTEC madness of an S2000's F20/F22C or a K-series, but it makes the car feel sprightly nonetheless. Not fast, but certainly not painfully slow. There isn't a ton of torque, but it's such a fun car to downshift in that I couldn't care less. 

The steering is a bit on the lighter side, but when you start pitching it around corners, it loads up well, giving you plenty of feedback, letting you know what the front tires are doing. This is the last of the hydraulic steering rack Miata's- which is certainly something I miss among more modern cars. Turn-in, while not darty, is very quick. The car wants to rotate ALL THE TIME! It's like a playful puppy that wants to chase every ball you can manage to throw in every direction you can imagine! 

This particular car has the sport package, which includes a slightly retuned suspension, Bilstein shocks and a LSD. For such a small car, it actually rides pretty well on the freeway. It has a bit of firmness to it, but is far from what I would call harsh. 

When you get off of the freeway and start to merge with other vehicles, the only things I can see are gaps in traffic. Small pockets of space that larger cars would be forced to ignore. But not the Miata. A downshift and a quick flick of the wrist and you've managed to find the space to get around what is now the bane of your existence: vehicles that are trying to stop you from having fun. The only problem is that it's addicting. After the first slice into traffic, you find yourself actively seeking gaps, chasing them with the eagerness of high school boys pursuing crushes.

When you get away from traffic, onto a good back road, these little cars really come alive! They just want to dance through everything you can possibly make into a corner or slalom every man-hole cover you can find like they're landmines in the road. 

Pretty much whenever you're driving, all you can do is smile and laugh at the absurdity that a small company like Mazda actually devotes so much time, effort and money into making a pure joy machine. No, you won't win the stop light drag races. You can't go pick up the kids from school or load up on goods from Home Depot. You certainly won't win any cool points from your muscle-car-loving-buddies or their big-truck-life-loving cousins, but none of that matters. The whole point is just to enjoy the drive and get back to what matters most: fun. 

carbidetooth
carbidetooth Reader
1/17/25 7:18 p.m.

Roninsoldier, I suspect we have similar bias in cars, although I'm still figuring mine out! FWIW,  in another thread of yours concerning NCs and the possibility of an FM turbo, the same idea had crossed my mind. This during the interim between ordering a GR86 and actually taking delivery. I felt a little like I was cheating on my new ride but, you know what? I don't care. I think I kinda like odd looking cars. 

Anyway, you should know that you're partly to blame for the hankerin' for an NC PRHT to fiddle with.  

Beautiful car BTW, I'm eyeballing same color 2011 as I write this.

JoeTR6
JoeTR6 SuperDork
1/17/25 7:28 p.m.

When it comes to Miatas, there are no wrong choices.  Enjoy the NC.

roninsoldier83
roninsoldier83 GRM+ Memberand HalfDork
1/17/25 10:27 p.m.
carbidetooth said:

Roninsoldier, I suspect we have similar bias in cars, although I'm still figuring mine out! FWIW,  in another thread of yours concerning NCs and the possibility of an FM turbo, the same idea had crossed my mind. This during the interim between ordering a GR86 and actually taking delivery. I felt a little like I was cheating on my new ride but, you know what? I don't care. I think I kinda like odd looking cars. 

Anyway, you should know that you're partly to blame for the hankerin' for an NC PRHT to fiddle with.  

Beautiful car BTW, I'm eyeballing same color 2011 as I write this.


Well, if your significant other gives you a hard time about it, feel free to blame me lol. 

I think the PRHT is one of the best street Miatas ever made, assuming you're not terribly tall, as the PRHT takes away a bit of headroom with the top up. 

I specifically sought out this specific spec of car: 

-I wanted an ND2/3 for the forged internals (for adding boost later on). 
-I wanted a 6-speed (I think they can take a bit more power vs the 5-speed, again, for boost later on), plus I just prefer the shorter gearing ratios. 
-I wanted a soft top for extra headroom, as well as about ~80 lbs worth of weight savings and the ability to more easily install a taller roll bar if I ever got crazy. 
-I wanted a LSD if possible. I was negotiable on this point, as down the line I might get wild an throw an OS Giken unit in it anyway, but I'm glad to have it nonetheless. 

Everything I was looking for wasn't exactly easy to find. 

Ideally, I would have preferred an NC3 Club (I prefer cloth seats over leather), but it wasn't a deal breaker. I'm very happy with the car I found. 

And thank you! 

OHSCrifle
OHSCrifle GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
1/17/25 11:10 p.m.

In reply to roninsoldier83 :

Did you sell the M2 or just add a car!

roninsoldier83
roninsoldier83 GRM+ Memberand HalfDork
1/18/25 12:19 a.m.

In reply to OHSCrifle :

I sold the M2. I couldn't get it to stop hurting my right knee while driving. Damn shame. Great car otherwise. 

roninsoldier83
roninsoldier83 GRM+ Memberand Dork
2/8/25 11:33 a.m.

I should probably preface this "review"—more like incoherent rambling about minor first-world problems—with a bit of an explanation. I've had my 2021 Mazda 3 Turbo for almost a year now. I'd like to call it my "daily driver," but the truth is, thanks to a work-supplied commuter car, I don't technically have a personally owned daily driver. In my ~10 months of Mazda 3 Turbo ownership, I've put about 2,000 miles on it. Considering I have to juggle three cars in the weekend rotation, that’s not bad.

To be clear, the Mazda 3 is a wonderful daily-ish vehicle. It's comfortable, easy to drive, relatively stress-free, and the interior is a nice place to be. On top of that, it has enough power (thanks to 300 ft-lbs of torque) to feel lively and just enough body control to be somewhat fun to throw around occasionally. No, it won't match the fun factor of my modded 128i or my NC Miata, but for a car this comfortable and easy to live with, I couldn’t care less. With a decent set of snow-rated tires, it's also been a winter tank, which is more or less its primary mission.

I have no real complaints about my Mazda 3. It’s a great car that I still enjoy driving. I don’t need another car. However, since selling my Xterra and my wife selling her Suburban, we find ourselves with plenty of vehicles but none of the utilitarian variety. My Mazda suits my needs 99% of the time, but that doesn't mean I don't occasionally go down the rabbit hole of searching for a vehicle to fulfill that remaining 1%. So, with some free time, I figured I’d take another look at utilitarian vehicles that could, hypothetically, replace the Mazda.


Quick Spin the in Ford Maverick:

First up, another Ford Maverick. Since I’ve already written about the Maverick, I won’t belabor the point. It’s an incredible bang-for-the-buck vehicle, but after owning my Mazda, hopping into the Maverick feels like a downgrade in almost every way. Admittedly, the one we drove was more spartan than the higher trims, but I preferred pretty much everything about the Mazda—the seats, seating position, interior design, steering feel, body control, etc. The only area where Ford did a better job? The 8-speed transmission, which is a more responsive unit than my Mazda’s somewhat laggy 6AT.

Don’t get me wrong, I still really like the Maverick. But for mostly driving around town, I preferred my Mazda by a pretty solid margin, even if I am sacrificing a good bit of usability in the process. Driving them back-to-back, I just couldn’t bring myself to sell the Mazda for the Ford.
 

Jeep Grand Cherokee: Almost, But No

Next up, a last-gen 2020 Jeep Grand Cherokee at our local CarMax. I figured it might offer a good balance between the Mazda’s refinement and the utility I was looking for. It’s a nice rig—comfortable, just peppy enough with the 3.6L Pentastar V6 and always-impressive ZF 8-speed auto. The steering was lighter and vaguer than I’d prefer, but it was easy to drive at pedestrian speeds. The interior was a nice place to be, with plenty of space and no glaringly cheap materials.

And yet… I just didn’t want it. I really wanted to like the Grand Cherokee more, but it didn’t spark any joy. I know there’s a newer version, but I’m too much of a cheapskate to go down that road. If the price was dirt cheap, I might consider it. But it’s not. So I won’t.
 

Jeep Gladiator: The Unexpected Contender

Then, we stumbled upon a 2022 Jeep Gladiator Sport S V6 8AT at CarMax and thought, "What the hell, let’s take it for a spin."



 

Shockingly, we both loved it.

For some background, I’ve owned both a JL Wrangler 4-door and an old TJ with a 6MT. The TJ was an absolute blast off-road and in deep snow, but as a daily driver, it was downright terrible. The JL, on the other hand, was far more comfortable—especially on the freeway—but after about a year, I sold it. Not because I disliked it, but because Tesla was offering a smoking deal on the Model 3 Performance [Stealth] back when they still commanded a premium price.

The JL wasn’t hard to live with, but the M3P won me over with its excellent daily-driver manners (before I had a take-home work car), the ability to skip gas stations (which is irrelevant now), and its absolutely brutal acceleration. Too bad it made my wife carsick—but I digress.

It’s been a while since I’ve driven a JL Wrangler. I’ve ridden in a couple with my wife over the past year, but she was the one behind the wheel. She’s been talking about buying one for a while now.

Until last night, I wasn’t sure if I wanted another Wrangler-based vehicle. But after driving the Gladiator, I can’t deny—it’s piqued my interest and sent me down the inevitable “Oh my word, why am I considering spending money on this?” rabbit hole.


Interior Layout:

Stepping into the Gladiator, having previously owned a JL Wrangler, felt instantly familiar. I liked the JL’s layout when I had one, and not much has changed. Everything you interact with feels solid and well put together. It’s impressive to have an interior that looks refined yet can still be hosed out—there’s definitely an appeal to that.

The seats, however, are as flat as a board, with virtually no bolstering to speak of. Jeep did a great job reminding me of my time driving a Humvee in the Army, where the seats were basically a couple of cushions glued to flat metal plates. That said, I was surprised to find the Gladiator’s seats… actually somewhat comfortable.
 

Legroom—Where Is It?

It’s absolutely baffling that a vehicle stretching 218 inches in length offers driver legroom seemingly designed for a circus performer. I had the same issue in my JL. In fact, anticipating this problem when I bought it, the first thing I did after bringing it home was order a set of extended seat rails that added about five inches of legroom—an easy and relatively inexpensive fix. The downside? Once the seat is moved back, shorter drivers will struggle to reach the pedals.

Because of this cramped setup, my right leg and knee weren’t exactly thrilled with the seating position. I can’t say I felt outright knee pain (though it was probably on its way had I driven longer), but it certainly wasn’t comfortable for someone of my height. If memory serves, adding the extended seat rails in my JL completely resolved this, making it all the more frustrating that such a modification is necessary in the first place.

As a Wrangler-based Jeep, the Gladiator is relatively narrow, so lateral space is also on the tighter side—my left leg naturally rests against the door. Coming from a long history of Japanese roadsters, I’m used to this and don’t mind, but if you’re expecting a wide, cushy, spacious modern SUV experience, you’re in the wrong place.


Oh My Word, Actual Utility:

In contrast, the back seat is surprisingly spacious—full-sized adults can sit comfortably behind a driver over six feet tall. It offers considerably more passenger room than the Mazda 3 sedan, which currently serves as our occasional child hauler.

The truck bed, at just five feet in length, isn’t exactly suited for a dedicated work truck, but for someone like me—whose hauling needs are mostly limited to occasional Home Depot or Best Buy runs, or whatever large item my wife finds on Nextdoor—it’s a major upgrade. In other words, it means not having to rent a truck from Home Depot.


Not a Bad Powertrain- the ZF 8-speed Always Impresses:

Setting off, the combination of the Pentastar 3.6L V6 and ZF 8-speed automatic is a solid pairing. It won’t win any drag races, and sure, the engine is getting a bit long in the tooth, but the transmission is so intuitive and responsive that it always felt like it was delivering ample power when needed. Driving around town and at lower freeway speeds, the truck felt just peppy enough to keep up with traffic without needing to be pushed hard.

It’s been a while since I’ve driven a manual JL, and I wouldn’t bother trying a manual Gladiator—especially when I already have two sporty stick shifts sitting in my garage. To be clear, from my last experience with a manual JL, I remember it feeling mediocre at best (and that’s being generous), especially compared to the utterly brilliant ZF automatic.

The Gladiator is missing one of my all-time favorite Mazda features—Auto Hold—the ability to remain stopped without keeping your foot on the brake. It makes stop-and-go traffic much easier on my already stressed right knee. However, it does have one redeeming feature that might make up for it: an actual, honest-to-goodness hand brake lever! No electronic parking brake gimmicks or clunky truck-style foot brakes—just a proper, mechanical handbrake. Problem solved.  


Can It Actually Drive in a Straight Line?

We spent a decent amount of time driving around town, and while there were some stretches with lower freeway speeds, I never took the Gladiator above 60-65 mph. This was where I had my biggest revelation compared to the Wrangler—turns out, that extra 19 inches of wheelbase over the 4-door JL makes a difference. It's not exactly a "relaxed" ride at higher speeds, but it’s noticeably more stable than the last Wrangler I drove at the same speeds. There weren’t any heavy crosswinds to throw the brick around, but even at slightly higher speeds, it was the best-driving solid front axle vehicle I’ve been behind the wheel of. It almost felt like what I’d consider a “normal truck.”

While the recirculating ball steering will never match the precision or road manners of a rack-and-pinion, Jeep nailed the weighting and the ratio. It’s still a Jeep—you’ll need to make some minor corrections to keep it straight. But compared to my old short-wheelbase TJ, the much longer Gladiator feels like the absolute pinnacle of stability and precision.


Despite (Because Of?) Its Stone Age Roots, This Thing is Big on Fun:

Let’s be honest: it's a ladder-frame chassis rolling on stick axles. Refinement and luxury are not part of the recipe. Yet, the Sport S version of the JT actually rides reasonably well. Sure, there’s body roll—did you see the lack of bolstering in the seats? High-speed cornering in this thing isn’t exactly a long-term survival strategy. It’s not a smooth, Cadillac-like experience, but it absorbs most impacts without jarring the occupants and offers just enough play/feedback in the suspension to create a sensation I like to call... fun.

I can’t quite put my finger on it, but the big Gladiator is surprisingly enjoyable to drive. When you’re driving from stoplight to stoplight, it gives you more of a “safari” vibe. It’s similar to the "driving a slow car fast" feeling, but in this case, you're just driving a slow car... well, slowly.

Being a narrower vehicle, it’s easier to keep it in its lane compared to something like a Suburban, Expedition, or even the Grand Cherokee I drove just before it. There’s just enough play in the steering that "guiding" it within its lane becomes a fun little game.

This isn’t a precision instrument, nor is it designed to be a driver’s car. But what it lacks in certain areas, it more than makes up for in character and presence. For reasons I can’t fully explain, I just had fun driving it.


The Wife Factor:

When I was done, I swapped seats with my wife. She usually declines my offers to switch during test drives, but not this time. This time, I practically had to pry the keys out of her hands. That little lady was grinning from ear to ear, driving like a bit of a hooligan, and immediately starting to plan how to bring this quirky truck home.

My wife loves the look of the Wrangler but always thought the Gladiator was hideous. And, to be honest, it kind of is. The proportions are off, giving it an overly long look that’s less than flattering. I should be clear—I like it, but in the way your neighbor has an ugly dog you can’t help but pet. It’s an ugly little thing, but somehow, it adds to the charm.

The previous owner of this particular Gladiator had installed a bolt-on rear roll bar over the truck bed, along with step-up rock rails. The result? Both of us actually thought these simple mods made the JT look pretty sweet! It was the first time my wife ever thought the Gladiator looked good. By the time she finished driving it, she was ready to sign on the dotted line and was seriously considering a Gladiator over a Wrangler.


Would I Actually Buy One?

So, where does that leave me? Well, I’m not entirely sure.

The big Gladiator is well-built, but it’s definitely not as nice or comfortable as my Mazda. However, because of its abundance of character, I’m not sure I really care.

Do I need this vehicle? Absolutely not. The bigger back seat is nice, but with our oldest daughter having her own car (technically, two of them), I rarely use the back seat in my Mazda these days. The truck bed would be a welcome addition, but let’s be honest—there are only a couple of times a year I actually need a truck bed. And when that happens, renting a truck from Home Depot is much cheaper than buying a new-to-me Chrysler product.

Speaking of price, this doesn’t make a lot of sense. My Mazda is paid off and has just under 11,000 miles on the clock. It’s a few years old, but due to a potential valve seal issue (which hasn’t occurred in my car), Mazda extended my warranty. As a result, my Mazda still has a couple of years left under a powertrain warranty. It needs nothing and has a nearly new set of snow-demolishing tires mounted on it. In contrast, if I were to buy a used Gladiator with lower miles, it would likely cost me an extra $7,000 to $9,000 more than I could sell my Mazda for. Financially, this doesn’t add up.

And yet, here I am, entertaining the idea of buying the big, goofy Gladiator. Beyond the extra usability, I really just enjoyed driving it.

A minor point in the Gladiator’s favor: my 128i and NC Miata (along with my wife’s Challenger 392 Scat Pack) are insured with Hagerty, meaning my “daily” sits outside year-round. The Gladiator, on the other hand, is the kind of vehicle I wouldn’t mind leaving outside in the elements—it’s kind of made for it.

Given its length, it’s certainly not a car I’d want to take downtown for a date night and try to parallel park. The good news is, I own a Miata and a 128i—both of which excel at fitting into tight spaces. Problem solved.

While the Gladiator is a much more stable freeway cruiser than the Wranglers of old, I’m not sure I’d want to take it on longer road trips. Maybe that’s not true—it honestly didn’t seem too bad—but again, I own a BMW 128i. That thing is an autobahn-cruising missile on the freeway. If I’m being honest, I probably put more miles on my BMW in the past year than I did my Mazda.

So, what am I going to do? Good question. I suppose I’ll just keep pondering and maybe make another poor financial decision for the sake of emotional enjoyment, with a side of potential practicality. If I’m smart, I’ll just keep my Mazda and continue living my best life. But, I never claimed to be a smart man.

In the meantime, while I mull this over, all I can say is that this goofy, awkward, moderately clumsy truck has a lot of character—and I had fun driving it.

docwyte
docwyte UltimaDork
2/9/25 10:25 a.m.

I'd love a mid sized (haha!) truck as a DD, specifically the Ranger Raptor, but none of them fit in my garage.

roninsoldier83
roninsoldier83 GRM+ Memberand Dork
2/10/25 10:43 a.m.
docwyte said:

I'd love a mid sized (haha!) truck as a DD, specifically the Ranger Raptor, but none of them fit in my garage.

I hear ya. My wife's Challenger barely fits in our garage. After driving the Gladiator, we did some quick eye-ball measurements in the garage and determined it would fit (specifically in our middle space), but just barely. Not that it would matter- it would be parked outside. Hagerty doesn't insure DD's and whatever they insure (our Challenger, 128i and the NC) have to stay parked in the garage per their policies. Unfortunately, we only have the 3 spots in the garage. 

With that said, trucks have seemingly gotten huge in recent years. I feel like what used to be considered a "full sized" truck is now a mid-sized truck. 

docwyte
docwyte UltimaDork
2/11/25 9:40 a.m.

In reply to roninsoldier83 :

Yep, most of the "mid sized" trucks are ~216" long.  I can fit something around 196" long in my garage, give or take a few inches.  Nobody could walk in front of any of these mid sized trucks if they were in my garage.  I'm also cursed with a very short driveway, so they don't fit there either.  That, coupled with the fact that many years of living in New England without any garage at all, has made me thoroughly disinterested leaving a car out during winter.  I don't want to have to wake up early to scrape ice, then hop into a freezing car in the morning.  I'm too old for that shizz.

roninsoldier83
roninsoldier83 GRM+ Memberand Dork
2/11/25 9:15 p.m.

In reply to docwyte :

Yeah, I hear you. Scraping ice first thing in the morning sucks. My work provides me with a car, so that's the one that stays outside, while the cars I actually own and care about stay in the garage. It's a trade-off, but considering I get a free car, free gas, and free maintenance, I really can't complain. Glass half full, at least I don’t have to shovel ice-packed tire tracks from my driveway!

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