93celicaGT2
93celicaGT2 SuperDork
12/2/09 3:16 p.m.

Uhhhh......

http://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=242677

I may have peed a little. Now that my perspective has been altered, my MX6 isn't scary at all.

What exactly is the need for an 804whp Miata? Still running a BP, i may add.

Keith, did you know about this? He's got a lot of your parts....

Carrera4
Carrera4 Reader
12/2/09 3:28 p.m.

Q. What do you do with a miata and a big pile of money?

That is a seriously monster car:

slantvaliant
slantvaliant HalfDork
12/2/09 3:37 p.m.

What does "need" have to do with it?

Carson
Carson Dork
12/2/09 3:43 p.m.

I have a slightly off topic question in response to that dyno graph. I've never dyno tuned but I was under the impression Hp should equal Tq at 5252 RPM. This graph shows them equal at what looks like 7700. Can someone explain this to me?

93celicaGT2
93celicaGT2 SuperDork
12/2/09 3:45 p.m.
Carson wrote: I have a slightly off topic question in response to that dyno graph. I've never dyno tuned but I was under the impression Hp should equal Tq at 5252 RPM. This graph shows them equal at what looks like 7700. Can someone explain this to me?

The 5252rpm is just part of the function to figure HP. Different motors will hit that intersection at different places, and for that matter, my MX6 will never hit that intersection.

JohnGalt
JohnGalt Reader
12/2/09 3:48 p.m.

The car makes 200whp at 5000rpm and 800whp at 6750rpm. I think that would be quite exciting coming out of a corner or anywhere else for that matter.

Carson
Carson Dork
12/2/09 3:49 p.m.

Ah ok. It just seems like I've seen a million dynos where they intersect at 5252 RPM. Also, in this particular graph, power is measured in Pferdestärke instead of Horsepower. Didn't know if that played a role.

Raze
Raze Reader
12/2/09 3:54 p.m.
JohnGalt wrote: The car makes 200whp at 5000rpm and 800whp at 6750rpm. I think that would be quite exciting coming out of a corner or anywhere else for that matter.

noticed that, it quadruples power ouput in 2000rpms, I'd like to see that driven around a track, autoX, or hell, stoplight to stoplight...

Jay
Jay Dork
12/2/09 4:01 p.m.

That 5252 RPM crossover point only works for torque in lb-ft. This graph has torque plotted in kg-m.

TJ
TJ Dork
12/2/09 4:09 p.m.
Carson wrote: I have a slightly off topic question in response to that dyno graph. I've never dyno tuned but I was under the impression Hp should equal Tq at 5252 RPM. This graph shows them equal at what looks like 7700. Can someone explain this to me?

What Jay said.

If power is measured in HP and Torque is measured in ft-lb then at 5252 RPM HP = Torque, doesn't matter what engine - it is based on a formula.

Different units will result in a different crossover point.

Carson
Carson Dork
12/2/09 4:14 p.m.

Thanks Jay and TJ. That's what I was thinking. Didn't notice the kg-m, though, I should have since I noticed the power was ps.

MCarp22
MCarp22 Reader
12/2/09 7:47 p.m.

Impressive peak numbers, but i'm not a fan of the dyno queen powerband.

unevolved
unevolved New Reader
12/2/09 7:56 p.m.

Jeez, no power until 5K? Excellent, that thing will kill you faster than a 993 GT2 with that wheelbase. I think it'll pretty much guarantee the back end's going to want to lead at any and every corner exit.

Oh, it's not going to be raced? Oh, nevermind. Carry on.

cwh
cwh SuperDork
12/2/09 7:58 p.m.

Well, that dyno queen seemed pretty strong on Greek streets. Love to see it on I-95.

Tetzuoe
Tetzuoe Reader
12/3/09 7:05 a.m.

In reply to unevolved:

hey at least he did some wheel/tire/brake work... Not sure Id say it was 804 hp worthy...

Giant Purple Snorklewacker
Giant Purple Snorklewacker SuperDork
12/3/09 7:30 a.m.

The question was "How can I spend as much as possible to actually make my Miata slower?"

HunterJP
HunterJP GRM+ Memberand New Reader
12/3/09 9:35 a.m.

Pretty sure this one isn't built for corners.

Keith
Keith GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
12/3/09 11:20 a.m.

We have another customer who's in that range as well. Fastest and quickest Miata ever, I believe. I'm just an enabler, don't ask me to explain it...

Kendall_Jones
Kendall_Jones Reader
12/3/09 11:29 a.m.
unevolved wrote: Jeez, no power until 5K?

Note - at 5K it has ~200PS, about 197 HP (not bad).

Also Units are metric (royal w/ cheese). SAE numbers are 793HP & 535 "torques"

KJ

slantvaliant
slantvaliant HalfDork
12/3/09 1:18 p.m.

Also note that the power side of that graph is in PS, which is almost but not quite HP.

Aren't metric units fun?

Vigo
Vigo New Reader
12/4/09 11:01 a.m.
Jeez, no power until 5K?

Yes, that thing has ~double the normal power a stockish miata is making at 5k.

Buzz Killington
Buzz Killington Reader
12/4/09 2:59 p.m.
93celicaGT2 wrote: The 5252rpm is just part of the function to figure HP. Different motors will hit that intersection at different places, and for that matter, my MX6 will never hit that intersection.

not unless you use english units. otherwise i'm pretty sure the laws of physics apply to your MX-6.

(Torque x Engine speed) / 5,252 = Horsepower

there's only one engine speed point at which both sides are equal.

Jay wrote: That 5252 RPM crossover point only works for torque in lb-ft. This graph has torque plotted in kg-m.

this.

alfadriver
alfadriver Dork
12/4/09 3:31 p.m.

Looks like a perfect powertrain for the salt flats. For that matter, it looks very similar to what I think is our power curve for the Spider that has gone 230mph. But I can tell you, wheel spin at 195mph is a bitch.

Eric

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