In reply to Appleseed :
I would say not yet. Can you have someone you trust look at it and take some pictures? Mainly of the part bigdaddy posted above. Note is clearly has "M2" stamped in the receiver. If it says that, then definitely watch that video. If is says "M1" then it's just a semi-auto gun and she has nothing to worry about.
jharry3 said:.30 Carbine ammo is not a powerful as 9mm Parabellum.
Umm, no.
.30 Carbine is much more powerful. Similar weight bullet at around 1.5 times the velocity, in standard loads.
Ian F said:In reply to Appleseed :
I would say not yet. Can you have someone you trust look at it and take some pictures? Mainly of the part bigdaddy posted above. Note is clearly has "M2" stamped in the receiver. If it says that, then definitely watch that video. If is says "M1" then it's just a semi-auto gun and she has nothing to worry about.
I know there were arsenal converted M2s, and it's not uncommon to get an M1 with an M2 stock. I'm not familiar enough with the M2 to know what all is different, so if the carbine started life as an M1 and was converted by the arsenal to an M2, was the receiver just over stamped, from 1 to 2, if so what are the chances that step actually happened?
Appleseed, get us some pictures and we can tell she has, or for sure what she doesn't have.
I would not go to ATF yet until someone lays eyes on it and can see what it actually is.
Also id be as vague as possible about who may have the gun.
An M1 is easily converted to an M2. There's a handful of parts necessary. Many of the parts will function in a semi only rifle and don't make the firearm illegal. The parts that are M2 specific and only present in an M2 are things like the "9" spring, disconnector, and selector. The other parts that are necessary for an M2, but functional and legal in an M1 are the bolt, trigger housing, hammer, sear, and stock. Oddly enough, owning an M1 with the M1/M2 parts is legal. Owning all but one of the M2 specific parts is legal. Owning all of the M2 parts, even if you don't own an M1 is not legal. Apparently having a receiver stamped M2 fitted with M1 parts is also illegal. The kicker is all the M2 parts can legally be purchased on GunBroker or online, but you're taking a real risk if you buy them all.
Basically the BATF has the privilege of jailing you for "intent" if they feel like it. Why they haven't made the M1 Carbine illegal is a mystery. Most homemade full auto guns require some sort of modification via machine work or extra holes drilled and it's not reversible. For the M1 Carbine you just swap out a few parts.
The only way to tell if it's an M2 is to remove the action from the stock, though the selector would be very apparent as is. My guess is it isn't an M2, but rather someone is trying to "help" by "disposing" of an "illegal" M1 that happens to have collector value. I wouldn't contact the BATF. You don't want their "help" either.
Unfortunately it sounds like she's acting on the "advice " given to her this afternoon. I'll she what happened after work.
In reply to Appleseed :
Buy it from her for $500 and sell it to me for $750.
slantvaliant said:jharry3 said:.30 Carbine ammo is not a powerful as 9mm Parabellum.
Umm, no.
.30 Carbine is much more powerful. Similar weight bullet at around 1.5 times the velocity, in standard loads.
9mm gets a bit more oomph in a carbine length but yeah a 30 Carbine is more powerful than a 9mm.
It's sad that a 30carbine is stuck with 110gr basically though
Writing this post while waiting on the rest of my crew to finish browsing at "The Largest Gun Show in the World," in Tulsa OK.
I kept an eye on M1 Carbines, cheapest one I saw was $850 most expensive was $3125.
Most were in the $1-1.5K range.
I did not see many folks walking around with newly purchased M1 Carbines...
Also if you don't already own a Garand, and you want one, you better get on it, they seem to be appreciating by the minute.
Appleseed said:Unfortunately it sounds like she's acting on the "advice " given to her this afternoon. I'll she what happened after work.
Interested in hearing “the rest of the story.” I hate to think of people getting swindled like that.
That said...she doesn’t have any “Non-emmissions-compliant” 60’s Mopars she needs to get rid of, does she?
Kinda wish I went, Lee, but just didn't work out this time. I did break down and buy me a birthday present at the local coffee shop. M17. For the rest of ya'll, here in Arkansas, even coffee shops sell boom sticks.
In reply to bigdaddylee82 :
Done. Already have both.
She lent it to a long time buddy of Jim's. They were cops together for years. She trusts him. Hes looking into the best way to sell it. She might not get top dollar, but she's far from swindled.
If anyone stumbles upon a FA with no papers... do not talk to a gun dealer. Do not talk to the ATF. Do not talk to the local cops. Find a lawyer who specializes in them and only talk to them.
Even if this is a plain-Jane M1 (probably), you MIL is 100% being lied to. It’s her property though. Pour one out for the little gun.
Dr. Hess said:Kinda wish I went, Lee, but just didn't work out this time. I did break down and buy me a birthday present at the local coffee shop. M17. For the rest of ya'll, here in Arkansas, even coffee shops sell boom sticks.
I was legit looking for a M1 Carbine for myself, again. I want an IBM or Quality Hardware, but don't want to pay what everyone is asking for one. Found a Standard Hardware for $950 that I should probably have brought home with me, it was a little rough, and may have only been a Standard Hardware receiver, I didn't ask to take it apart.
Came really close to bringing home a NIB Saiga 12, but instead found an excellent condition Marlin Camp 9 that I was able to bring home for a reasonable price after some negotiation. I've had a Camp 9 on my list for at least 5 years now, happy to finally check that one off.
I snagged a really cheap Alamo commemorative Marlin Model 60 rifle too, I've been after a rifle length 60 with a full length magazine tube for a few years. Most are carbine length and/or have short mag tubes. I made a low ball offer, and the seller countered way lower than I was expecting. Even came with a low power vintage Tasco scope on it, that's surprisingly clear.
One guy with me got a good deal on a S&W Performance Center 629 Competitor .44 Mag. Another fella with me overpaid for a S&W 64 DAO (spurless hammer) .38 Special, but he's happy with it.
In general, most things were overpriced, and vendors weren't willing to deal. I actually covered the entire show in 8 hours, which is a feat in itself, but I was on a mission, keeping an eye out for a few specific things, and not getting distracted by every cool or interesting thing I saw. I may change my mind in a year, but the day after, I'm kind of over Wanenmacher, there are much better deals to be had at the local show that comes through quarterly and Armslist.
Please excuse the thread hijack, Appleseed.
In reply to bigdaddylee82 :
No worries. It's nice to have an adult conversation about firearms.
Osterkraut said:If anyone stumbles upon a FA with no papers... do not talk to a gun dealer. Do not talk to the ATF. Do not talk to the local cops. Find a lawyer who specializes in them and only talk to them.
Even if this is a plain-Jane M1 (probably), you MIL is 100% being lied to. It’s her property though. Pour one out for the little gun.
I cringle when i see voluntary gun turn-ins on the news and when they show the guns being turned in, which will be destroyed, you see WW2 and Vietnam era guns that are worth thousands, colts and all kinds of pricey guns. Sad thing is it might be some poor folks needing the $. Instead of getting thousands of $ and the gun going to a collector, they get a pair of shoes, small gift cards or nothing. If you dont want guns in your house, cool. I just dont want to see people lose big $ and get a piece of history destroyed.
I traded a basic AR-15 and some $ for a m1 carbine years ago, a “blue sky import”. Still havent fired it. Its not mint, but compared the the M1’s i was seeing on the shelf at the CMP store, its cherry. Towards the end of M1 stock at CMP, the field grade ones were very loose and looked like they were pulled off the bottom of a lake. They were still over 600. I have 3 garands from the CMP. Great functional pieces of history.
I hate to see someone like her get scammed, but it sounds like she is doing better than we originally thought.
THREADJACK...
I like Wanamaker. There are bargains. There are ripoffs that look like bargains. There are fair trade items, there is overpriced stuff. I've bought from each category. All in one 11 acre place on 3,000 tables. With the hotel the night before and associated restaurant meals before and after, it's a mini vacation experience, and much better than Disneyland. Just too much to do every 6 months for me, or really once a year. 18 months, well, maybe. 2 years, yea sure. There are some local shows that are OK. There's one that seems like every other weekend at the Wa Co fair grounds. Probably more like every month or two, but seems like they are always having one. You walk in there with money and an intent to spend it and there are deals to be had. Buyer's market there. The Holliday Inn Convention Center one is OK. Sometimes better than others. And there's another one I haven't been to near the Springdale rodeo grounds/airport.
Apis Mellifera said:In reply to Appleseed :
Buy it from her for $500 and sell it to me for $750.
this right here and don't look back........
M1 carbine is a great gun. I have one that my grandfather left me before he died. He was really into guns and he had a lot of them, [they were especially good at paddling canoes!]
M1 carbines are legal to own, most places. I think the question was whether it was acquired legally. I'm guessing the government no longer owns any carbines, because the could sell the pish out of them if they did. I was really hoping that our current President would undo the ban Obama placed on all the milsurp stuff that was to be returned to the US.
Timely thread bump.
Royal Tiger Imports is selling a bunch of surplus Ethiopian "Lend Lease" M1s.
https://www.royaltigerimports.com/product-p/m1car001.htm
Based on the comments there have been some pretty good carbines in the lot, several National Postal Meter, IBMs, and Winchesters.
If I could see it first, I'd probably buy one, but I'm the farthest thing from a gambler.
I don't know what the resolution to this situation was. But my two cents. If it's an M1, I have my doubts its necessarily illegal in many states, of several states that do have "assault weapons bans" some do have exceptions for C&R firearms. If it is an M2, the talking to a lawyer route is best. If my memory serves me right, firearms aren't added to the machine gun registry, and the only legal way to hold one would be to have a class III FFA license.
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