Chic-Fil-A whats going on here?

Let's flip the argument another way: around here sexually oriented businesses (strip clubs, porn stores) are prohibited from being located within a certain distance (IIRC it is now 1000 feet) of a church, school, etc. Recently a dirty bookstore opened in an area where they were just outside of the distance, the city RETROACTIVELY changed the distance.

So now the city is discriminating against a legitimate business which happens to appeal to the prurient interest. In principal, the business is no different from what Chick Fil A is doing, except that CFA is not in the business of actively attacking LGBT interests, their main business is selling chicken sandwiches and tea.

This is a terribly slippery slope, people.

Chic-Fil-A is only above KFC as far as a chicken place and we have Bojangles and Popeyes anyway so I never go.

Also now I want fried chicken.

Keeping Chic-Fil-A from opening due to the CEO (out whoever's) view? Thats wrong. I don't care if their communist nazis who believe eating sun dried fetuses will improve their sex drive.

Will I eat there? No. Will I applaud gay couples walking in there and playing tonsil hockey? Yes. Will this happen? Yes. I'll bring a camera and laugh my ass off.

poopshovel wrote:

stuart in mn wrote: Is there a news story about this or something else to back this up as true, or did you get it in an email or from a blog? Before getting worked up, it's best to make sure it's not just a rumor or a misinterpetation of the actual facts.

A google search will net you plenty of articles from reputable news sources.

Here's a front page link from a "news aggregator": http://www.suntimes.com/news/13988905-418/emanuel-goes-after-chick-fil-a-for-boss-anti-gay-views.html

It documents what is going on in Chicago with the mayor and an alderman. There is also mention of the Boston fiasco.

This all smells of political pandering and grandstanding. Does any think the same attention would be aimed at anti-gay organizations affiliated with non-Christian beliefs? Hypocrisy has a stench and it smells like this kind of crap.

poopshovel wrote: KEEP CHRISTIANITY OUT OF CHICAGO! Awesome. In a corrupt, miserable, violet E36 M3 hole like Chicago, the focus is on keeping new businesses from opening? Really? I don't agree with his views, but it's an issue that I'm not crazy passionate about either way. If I was, I could simply vote with my wallet.

Looks like you need a proper "tour" around the Windy City. You have a warped idea of what the greatest big city in America is all about.

I'm positive I could change your mind in a short weekend. Chicago is corrupt, it is violent (in areas), but it is also the friendliest big city in the country. If you think Chicago is a E36 M3hole....you've been there with the wrong people.

Again, who cares. Don't like it, DON'T berkeleyING GO THERE.

As to Rahm and the idjit in Bahston, to "urge" them not to locate inside a given area, seems to be a veiled threat to do them great harm through a bully pulpit of public government.

I don't agree with Chik Fil A's views on gays and you know what I will do about it, not spend money there. But stopping them from getting building permits is wrong as well. It is just as wrong as stopping a mosque from being built just because you do not agree with the religion. But some people will jump on "their" party's side(as usual) and support the hell out of what their favorite news source will tell them.

To answer the original question. I don't think the Mayor should be able to discriminate in this situation. However, I don't think he's gotten to that point yet, he's merely threatened to make the licensing process difficult. That being said, there are shady politics around the country when it comes to zoning permits for many businesses. It comes down to one person not wanting a business in a location, and finding something/anything to make the process more difficult hoping the business will move on to some other spot. If you take the hot button issue out of this discussion, it becomes just like any dispute a franchised business tends to run into spreading into a new area. Ultimately, the business moves on, finding a community that will welcome it. In this case it's marriage rights. It could just as easily be environmental stuff, hiring practices, PETA....the list can go on for ever. This is business as usual in America.

From the Daily Show:

Oh, and the owner is free to beleive what he wants to, as long as he's not being discriminatory or breaking any laws.

IF & WHEN they really try to block it then the stuff will hit the fan.

I don't care for Chic-fil-a, too dry, but I think I'll go get one for lunch to support them.

I've always loved CFA. I love the food and I love the employees' attitudes. Why the berkeley couldn't they keep their mouths shut and just keep serving chicken?

I think I am done with them now.

Joe Gearin wrote:

poopshovel wrote: KEEP CHRISTIANITY OUT OF CHICAGO! Awesome. In a corrupt, miserable, violet E36 M3 hole like Chicago, the focus is on keeping new businesses from opening? Really? I don't agree with his views, but it's an issue that I'm not crazy passionate about either way. If I was, I could simply vote with my wallet.

Looks like you need a proper "tour" around the Windy City. You have a warped idea of what the greatest big city in America is all about. I'm positive I could change your mind in a short weekend. Chicago is corrupt, it is violent (in areas), but it is also the friendliest big city in the country. If you think Chicago is a E36 M3hole....you've been there with the wrong people.

I agree with this, except I'd have to say Oklahoma City is the friendliest I've experienced, and I've been to Chicago many times. That's not to say it's not a friendly city, just not quite as friendly as OC, IMO.

Curmudgeon wrote: Let's flip the argument another way: around here sexually oriented businesses (strip clubs, porn stores) are prohibited from being located within a certain distance (IIRC it is now 1000 feet) of a church, school, etc. Recently a dirty bookstore opened in an area where they were just outside of the distance, the city RETROACTIVELY changed the distance.....

I think you have your answer right here.

I believe there are similar laws involving liquor stores in some areas.

93EXCivic wrote: Chic-Fil-A is only above KFC as far as a chicken place and we have Bojangles and Popeyes anyway so I never go. Also now I want fried chicken.

Whaaaa? I love KFC's greasy greasy chicken. Yummmm... Grease.... I know what's for dinner tonight.

as an aside, I rarely go for fast food chicken. I'm fine with beef. Not sure why I don't go for chicken as I love it in just about any situation.

Love Chik-Fil-A, 2nd only to Raising Cane's. Way better than Popeye's.

It's discrimination, flat out.

The moment someone makes a public statement in favor of traditional Christian morals, it's like its open game to protest them, make fun of them or discriminate against them, and have that action be lauded in public squares. It's anything BUT the tolerance which seems to be so preached these days.

The moment someone makes a public statement in favor of traditional Christian morals, it's like its open game to protest them, make fun of them or discriminate against them, and have that action be lauded in public squares. It's anything BUT the tolerance which seems to be so preached these days.

Amen Brother!

While there may be nothing keeping from CFA from opening the store, Boston could require that all Boston based business cannot base hiring decision on sexual orientation or marriage status.

This is similar to the Religious Institutions claiming "equal opportunity employer" well...no, your not. If your medical insurance coverage (birth control) is based on your religious views, then you alienate those who are of a different religion, and therefore your not equal opportunity.

Morals that discriminate against other people aren't morals. And anti-gay sentiment isn't exactly a unified belief among Christians.

In reply to scardeal:

I think most here would agree that CFA shouldn't be banned from anywhere that a McDonalds isn't. I won't buy their because I don't agree with what they are preaching and by doing so, I make a political statement. In no way does religion play into it for me. I think many here are along those lines.

CFA is a private business and may support whatever religion they would like. I was raised catholic and found my beliefs differ, but still carry many values of the faith.

The political statement they are making is offensive to me. I will have KFC tonight.

(Scardeal, I know you weren't targeting anyone here.)

Joe Gearin wrote:

poopshovel wrote: KEEP CHRISTIANITY OUT OF CHICAGO! Awesome. In a corrupt, miserable, violet E36 M3 hole like Chicago, the focus is on keeping new businesses from opening? Really? I don't agree with his views, but it's an issue that I'm not crazy passionate about either way. If I was, I could simply vote with my wallet.

Looks like you need a proper "tour" around the Windy City. You have a warped idea of what the greatest big city in America is all about. I'm positive I could change your mind in a short weekend. Chicago is corrupt, it is violent (in areas), but it is also the friendliest big city in the country. If you think Chicago is a E36 M3hole....you've been there with the wrong people.

I think you understood my point, which is that this, ESPECIALLY in a city like Chicago, should be #1001 on a list of 1000 concerns for the City Government. I'll go if you buy the beers and hotdogs. And strippers. And crack. I won't spend a dime of my money there. (See: The whole 'vote with your wallet' thing.)

You're right though, I shouldn't have called it a E36 M3hole. My bad. I forget real people live there.

I'm on the fence about CFA. Their biscuits aren't bad. Their sandwiches are. I find their staff annoying, and they usually end the transaction with "Have a blessed day," which kind of makes me want to vomit.

Personally, I like pie. Complicated deal here. Alderman wants press/recognition in his ward for protecting his peeps. CFA gets to be the vehicle for this. At the same time CFA's hiring practices while effective are at, if not across, the line on some legalities. Both CFA owner and city are guilty of using a bully pulpit for their own means. CFA just made life harder for themselves. Now I'm going down the street to Fred's Diner. Screw all the fast food (for today).

CFA has rallied against LGBT rights, that's discrimination, flat out.

As an athiest I never had a problem being a patron of CFA as a christian establishment. But being publicly against equal rights is enough for me to vote with my wallet. The mayor can say whatever he wants to make them feel unwelcome. As soon as he crosses the line of illegal blocking of permits we can resume this discussion of going to far.

poopshovel wrote: You're right though, I shouldn't have called it a E36 M3hole. My bad. I forget real people live there.

I think Atlanta is a E36 M3hole and live near there. I have no pride for this city.