Corona Vaccine - Anyone getting it?

In before panther starts calling everyone sheeple. 

In reply to Fueled by Caffeine :

Touchy much? I’ve never called everyone shepple. Just some. Don’t exaggerate. 

In reply to ProDarwin :

I specifically said I don’t know if it WILL happen. It has been said it might. But not by me. I don’t know what will be done.  I have never said I could predict the future

So, I will withdraw for the day, befor some of you super nice people start cussing me out again. Good night. 

I know I know YouTube video. This seems like a credible source. 

03Panther said:

So, I will withdraw for the day, befor some of you super nice people start cussing me out again. Good night. 

welcome to the party. There's always room at my table.

03Panther said:

In reply to aircooled :

There are lots of people are saying the government will require it. I can’t say who, ‘cause it would shut this tread down. But it could happen. I don’t know if it will, but could. 

And there are folks on here that have said quite plainly, that the government SHOULD. So I don’t think he is out of line to be concerned.  

OK, I can understand the potential concern.

As noted though, I think that concern should be (realistically) very low.  What "those people" say is very commonly not only untrue or exaggerated, but things they simply can't do or have unique control over.

I highly suspect this thing is not deadly enough to allow the extremes that would require some sort of compelled action (vaccination or isolation).  You should be a bit comforted by the fact this country is essentially setup to avoid any such overreaches.  I would also suspect you would agree that in the case of a more extreme virus / disease such steps need to be an option.

I'll get it when available. My mother is 76 and just had her last radiation treatment for cancer. I always say she's a machine and in better shape than I am (she water skis all summer long and walks 5 miles a day, rain or shine) but she has sinus issues and I'd rather not be the thing that puts her in the hospital.

It's scary not knowing the long term effects of something, good or bad. Especially when you like to make informed decisions backed with solid evidence. I'm willing to gamble in the interest of all of us, even though I hate most people. I really hope it pans out.

As much as I don't agree with not taking it, obviously I don't think it should be forced on people by the government. I don't see that happening but I do see businesses requiring it with an eye towards the bottom line.

I think the more telling statistic is to look at other countries.

Germany is completely befuddled that only about 70% of their citizens want the vaccine.  We're sitting here thinking that half of the US population not getting it is par for the course.  In some countries like Denmark, there isn't even a poll.  Not getting the virus isn't even a possibility.  Nearly all of them want it so the question isn't even asked.  Asking Danes if they'll get the vaccine is like asking pregnant women if they feel different now that they are pregnant.  They're like, Duh... YEAH.  Even Filipinos are more than 2/3rds on board.

I think that begs the question of why are just Americans so afraid of it and so dismissive of the virus?  So far, the only arguments I have heard are completely false, debunked myths, totally implausible conspiracies, or just regurgitating a meme that their uncle Karl posted last month.  The rest of the world thinks we're batE36 M3 crazy.  I wonder when we'll get the clue.

In reply to Curtis73 (Forum Supporter) :

I think you're looking at this in the wrong manner. Americans are taught to be independant. Not to rely on the govt, or even necessarily trust the gov't. I mean, our founding fathers were traitors depending on what side you stood on. Some of us, and this is definitely a rural/midwest thing, are taught that some of the scariest words ever uttered are "Hello, we're from the government and we are here to help". Democratic-socialist countries tend to follow and believe their authority figures more than the average american. That's just a cultural difference. 

aircooled said:

03Panther said:

In reply to aircooled :

There are lots of people are saying the government will require it. I can’t say who, ‘cause it would shut this tread down. But it could happen. I don’t know if it will, but could. 

And there are folks on here that have said quite plainly, that the government SHOULD. So I don’t think he is out of line to be concerned.  

OK, I can understand the potential concern.

As noted though, I think that concern should be (realistically) very low.  What "those people" say is very commonly not only untrue or exaggerated, but things they simply can't do or have unique control over.

I highly suspect this thing is not deadly enough to allow the extremes that would require some sort of compelled action (vaccination or isolation).  You should be a bit comforted by the fact this country is essentially setup to avoid any such overreaches.  I would also suspect you would agree that in the case of a more extreme virus / disease such steps need to be an option.

But the problem is, our lax attitude on the prevention measures that worked so well in every other country has put us as the epicenter for the pandemic.  3000 people a day dying... more than 9/11.  Every day.  The equivalent of 24 commercial passenger plane crashes per day.  1.5 Pearl Harbors every day.  So far, the virus has killed 45 times more than the battle of Gettysburg in one year.  We have almost 9 times more deaths per capita than India.  3 times worse than Russia.  14 times worse than Indonesia.  Of the 200+ countries on the planet, the US has 1/5 of the coronavirus cases despite only having 1/25th the population of the world.  We have 5 times the per capita cases of coronavirus vs the rest of the world.

Massive fail, USA.  Massive.

In reply to Curtis73 (Forum Supporter) :

Lets see what the real numbers that come out in a few years actually show us before we go all "sky is falling" on this.  Take a breath. Relax. The world is not ending. We'regonna be ok. 

In reply to bobzilla :

Ehh. I'm not sure those countries believe their leadership more.  See French riots. Or brexit. Or any of the other unrest happening in Europe. E36 M3 I was in the middle of a Catalan riot in Barcelona a couple years ago. 
 

what I do thing is the difference. Is that in those countries people are taught and accept to put others over self especially when it comes to quality of life or medical items. 

bobzilla said:

In reply to Curtis73 (Forum Supporter) :

Lets see what the real numbers that come out in a few years actually show us before we go all "sky is falling" on this.  Take a breath. Relax. The world is not ending. We'regonna be ok. 

I agree we'll be OK, but only because there is enough world population with the foresight to move forward with prevention.  Waiting a few years on C19 is like having an Anaconda start swallowing your feet and you think, "maybe he'll give up, let's see what happens."

Curtis73 (Forum Supporter) said: ...  So far, the only arguments I have heard are completely false, debunked myths, totally implausible conspiracies, or just regurgitating a meme that their uncle Karl posted last month.  ...

Depending on which side you are on, "completely false, debunked myths, totally implausible conspiracies" can be opposites. 'Forces' have polarized our country so much that the truths of either side are rarely even close to the truths of the other. I only trust in memes from uncle Karl now because I can laugh at them no matter which side they were meant to support.

Seriously, news readers shouting that something is completely "debunked" has no effect on about 1/2 of the population.

Me? I don't even trust any of you. Y'all are probably 78% bots. Google? if Google Maps tells me to take a left turn, I'll do three right turns instead - I'm not fallin for that lefty E36 M3.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/davidmack/countries-without-coronavirus-no-covid

this article hit me in the feels.  We really did hose this up.  Plenty of places around the world are acting normally 

Fueled by Caffeine said:

In reply to bobzilla :

what I do thing is the difference. Is that in those countries people are taught and accept to put others proportionally within consideration of self especially when it comes to quality of life or medical items. 

I agree, but made one alteration.  Many other countries' populations still put themselves first, but never at the expense of others like we do.

AAZCD (Forum Supporter) said:

Curtis73 (Forum Supporter) said: ...  So far, the only arguments I have heard are completely false, debunked myths, totally implausible conspiracies, or just regurgitating a meme that their uncle Karl posted last month.  ...

Seriously, news readers shouting that something is completely "debunked" has no effect on about 1/2 of the population.

Exactly my point... half of the US population takes hard data, scientific evidence, peer-reviewed research, and throws it in the trash with their only source being "I don't like those facts, so they're not facts." or "It's a government conspiracy because I want it to be."

In reply to Curtis73 (Forum Supporter) :

I'm not going to object. 

Curtis73 (Forum Supporter) said:

AAZCD (Forum Supporter) said:

Curtis73 (Forum Supporter) said: ...  So far, the only arguments I have heard are completely false, debunked myths, totally implausible conspiracies, or just regurgitating a meme that their uncle Karl posted last month.  ...

Seriously, news readers shouting that something is completely "debunked" has no effect on about 1/2 of the population.

Exactly my point... half of the US population takes hard data, scientific evidence, peer-reviewed research, and throws it in the trash with their only source being "I don't like those facts, so they're not facts." or "It's a government conspiracy because I want it to be."

I agree except I see it as BOTH halves picking the hard data, scientific evidence, and peer-reviewed research that suits them. Both ignore that which does not suit their mindset.

Wash your hands, don't touch your face.

So those that screamed for a total lock down, how would that have worked? Ignoring the fact that we have 7k miles of unsecured borders. Ignoring the bill of rights and peoples right to assemble and all that. How do you A.) enforce it and b.) how do you feed, keep electricity/water/gas/etc going for 300M people spread across 300M square miles of country? My friend who I love dearly said someting similar. I asked : Do you think everyone in the country has 2 weeks of supplies and can afford to not work to support their families for 2 weeks? If not that means grocery stores have to be open. You've just killed your total lockdown. Because those employees need gas to get to the store to sell to the people that don't have it. How many would lose their homes, cars etc if they didn't show up for work? 

Lets talk about small businesses. How do they survive? Do we just give everyone free money? How does this work? I hear a lot of "we did it wrong" and "we suck" but I'm not hearing any REAL solutions that would have helped this. 

Fueled by Caffeine said:

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/davidmack/countries-without-coronavirus-no-covid

 

this article hit me in the feels.  We really did hose this up.  Plenty of places around the world are acting normally 

From that article:

In New Zealand, the entire country endured one of the strictest and earlier lockdowns in March. In August, residents of Auckland, population 1.7 million, went back into lockdown for over a month after an outbreak there. The number of new cases that prompted the shutdown? Just 17. “Going hard and early is still the best course of action,” 

Australian officials, too, imposed a severe lockdown in the state of Victoria in June after a cluster emerged there, sparking hundreds of new cases a day. It lasted more than 100 days but the state has had zero new infections since the end of October.

“Lockdowns suck. You understand why it’s necessary, but it still takes an extended toll on people. Still, I think you’d be hard-pressed to find anyone in New Zealand who thinks the lockdowns haven’t been worth it, unless they’re quite fringe politically or naive.”

Other countries like Taiwan, Singapore, and South Korea never went into lockdown to tame the virus, instead relying on a mix of technological measures, such as extensive contact tracing and testing, as well as cultural practices, such as commonly accepted mask-wearing.

On a related note, statistics show that the two best means of preventing the spread have been masks and contact tracing.  There is a significant number of people in the US who refuse to wear masks, and, according to the PA Dept of Health, Pennsylvania is meeting with extreme resistance to contact tracing to the tune of a 14% success rate.  People are refusing to simply tell researchers where they went or who they talked to.  In New Zealand, the contact tracing success rate was over 90%. 

My own personal experience with vaccines:

Smallpox, check

measles, check

German measles, check

mumps, check

polio, check

and a couple that I don't remember what they are because I was supposed to go to Haiti and didn't, check

The only one that caused me any issues was the Smallpox vaccine.  Yes, I will get the Covid vaccine when it comes out.

In reply to bobzilla :

I don't think extended lockdowns are the answer.  Massive testing and isolation of those infected seems to be the right way forward.   Lockdowns might be necessary. But    I think our biggest issue is our poor testing. 
 

I think the Taiwan or Singapore model is the right deal.  But small country easier to implement.