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NickD
NickD MegaDork
9/13/22 4:55 p.m.

On the subject of Genesee & Wyoming, someone on RYPN was saying that they were out at Age of Steam Roundhouse last weekend and that apparently there have been more recent talks with G&W. Nothing is set in stone, but apparently they’ve become more responsive to communications from AOS about running some of their locomotives over the Ohio Central Railroad. The backstory there is that J. J. Jacobson originally owned the Ohio Central Railroad, which was a common-carrier shortline, and he ended up purchasing a bunch of steam locomotives and running regular excursions over the Ohio Central. Jacobson ended regular excursions in 2004, but continued to operate the occasional trip until 2008, when Jacobson sold the Ohio Central to the G&W for $219 million to fund the construction of his new roundhouse, Age of Steam Roundhouse at Sugarcreek, Ohio, to house and display his collection of steam locomotives, passenger cars, freight cars and historic diesels. G&W is notoriously anti-steam, anti-historical equipment, and anti-excursion, but as I understand it, J. J. Jacobson did manage to negotiate in limited trackage rights to move equipment over (not on) the Ohio Central. WIth the length of time it took to build the facilities and then Jacobson's death in 2017, most of the operational locomotives' certifications expired, and the only operating locomotive is Moorhead & North Fork 0-6-0 #12, which operates in the yard at the facilities. There have been no off-site trips, probably for lack of compatible venues and operational equipment and I imagine G&W is probably not going to let them run on the Ohio Central, but they are supposed to allow stuff to move in and out of Sugarcreek to go elsewhere (for example, if they wanted to send an engine to Cuyahoga Valley or something similar).

The other rumor he heard from an Age of Steam employee is that there is a private group they’re communicating with now who are strongly interested in financially backing a restoration of Grand Trunk Western U-3-b 4-8-4 #6325, which would be terrific news. It would be less a restoration and more of a reactivation of the engine. The #6325 was on display in Battle Creek after retirement and a group formed to try and return it to operation in the '80s. They got it torn down and ran out of funds, and then GTW/CN bounced them out of the location it was in. J.J. Jacobson ended up stepping in to save the engine, moved it to the Ohio Central's shops in 1993, began work on it in 1998 and had it running in 2001. It had a pretty short career though, running until 2005, when issues with an axle bearing sidelined it (one theory is that the inner race on the axle bearing lost it's press on the axle and so the axle was spinning in the bearing and scored the axle). It has sat since then, meaning it has very few hours on it after an extensive overhaul and has been stored indoors. In theory, it would be a pretty easy engine to get running again, and it is relatively small and light (for a 4-8-4) and equipped with roller bearings, which would make it a kind of run-anywhere engine. Hopefully it's true, because the #6325 is a very nice engine that always seemed to be a perennial hard luck case.

Pete Gossett (Forum Supporter)
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9/13/22 7:29 p.m.

In reply to NickD :

I read today there's a potential nationwide railworker's strike this Friday. Have you heard much about it?

NickD
NickD MegaDork
9/13/22 8:36 p.m.

In reply to Pete Gossett (Forum Supporter) :

Yeah, it's been a long time coming. Class Is have always been pretty draining to work for, but they've gotten increasingly worse, especially once they moved to PSR. Long hours, smaller and smaller crews (CSX is trying to get one-man crews approved), several railroads have introduced brutal attendance policies (BNSF's is the most egregious) and a number of other concerns. Since the Class Is are all the same unions, once the picket lines go up at one, they all walk. Your non-unionized short lines and regionals won't go on strike, but it could also effect them if their interchange traffic comes to a screeching halt.

Now, as I understand it, there are ways that the president can order them back to work (essentially because they are too essential) but also force the Class Is to come to the bargaining table. BUT he's posed himself as pretty pro-union, and strongarming the unions back to work would be a bad look. Then again, sitting back and letting the rail industry come to a screeching halt as there is already shortages and rampant inflation is also not great optics either.

So far the Class Is have made deals with 10 of the 12 related unions, but two are still holding out, and one of the holdouts is the Brotherhood of Locomotive Engineers. And that's a huge one. It's not like the '70s anymore where the Brotherhood of Locomotive Engineers would go on strike and management would go down and run the trains themselves to get by. The FRA would slap you with so many fines it would make your head spin.

Amtrak has already put three long distance services on hold, and railroads are suspending shipment of hazardous materials in preparation.

NickD
NickD MegaDork
9/14/22 11:40 a.m.

The other engine that Age of Steam Roundhouse could pretty easily reactivate in the event that they gain access to run excursions somewhere would be Canadian Pacific G5d Pacific #1293. That was one of the mainstay engines at Steamtown USA from '78 to '84, then was parked when Steamtown made the move south to Scranton, and in 1996 J.J. Jacobson traded Baldwin Locomotive Works 0-6-0 #26 for the #1293 (that was probably the deal of the century for Jacobson, since the #26 was a used-up wreck of an 0-6-0). Jacobson got it up and running in 1997 and it was the Ohio Central's main steam locomotive right up until the 2008 sale of the Ohio Central, and then from 2010 to 2017 it was leased out to the Cuyahoga Valley Scenic Railroad. It has since been stored inside the roundhouse, and according to Age of Steam's own website, it's next in line to be restored after they finish up the operational restoration of McCloud Railway logging 2-8-2 #19. It's also been joined at the roundhouse by three other ex-Steamtown USA engines: Canadian Pacific G5 #1278 which had the infamous crownsheet failure at Gettysburg Railroad in '95, Canadian National 2-6-0 #96 that was used as a parts donor to keep CN #89 operating, and Canadian National 4-6-0 #1551, which was Jacobson's first steam locomotive and was purchased in 1986 and ran until 2003.

Ross Rowland said that the CPR G5 Pacifics were the best excursion engines that he had the pleasure of ever experiencing. They were reasonably light, so they could go anywhere, but had enough power to haul 12 car trains, and they had tenders with fairly large capacity that gave them decent range. They were also a good-looking engine, even if they were "blessed" with one of those Elesco vertical coil feedwater heaters. The #1293 was also fortunate in that, unlike the other surviving G5 Pacifics (#1201, #1238, #1246, #1278, and #1286) the #1293 received an all-new carbon steel boiler before retirement, replacing the crack-prone carbon-steel boilers on the others. (Those familiar with #1246 and #1278 said that they had a number of patches on the boilers even before Steamtown started running them).

NickD
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9/14/22 12:15 p.m.

GTW #6325 and CPR #1293 doing a double photo runby on the Ohio Central

NickD
NickD MegaDork
9/14/22 12:36 p.m.

Another big announcement is that Conway Scenic Railroad has moved Maine Central Class W 2-8-0 #501 into their roundhouse to begin assessment for an operational restoration. Currently, Conway Scenic's only operational steam locomotive is Canadian National 0-6-0 #7470, and its way too small for their current operations, plus switch engines tend to be pretty rough on the tracks. The #501 is a pretty decent-sized Consolidation, with 63" drivers and 37,000lbs of tractive effort, and the Conway Scenic operates over the former Maine Central Mountain Division, so the #501 would be on home turf. There was an attempted operational restoration about two decades ago, but that came to an end after issues with a sketchy contractor, infighting between the Conway Scenic crew and the new contractors, and lack of interest by the Conway's management at the time.

NickD
NickD MegaDork
9/14/22 1:07 p.m.

MEC #501 being moved out of it's display track by CN #7470.

Funny enough, the #501 was also a part of Nelson Blount's Steamtown USA collection and there was nearly a J.J. Jacobson connection. Maine Central had two Consolidations sitting around at the end of steam, #501 and #519, and Nelson Blount purchased the #519 and leased the #501 from Maine Central (Why they leased the #501 is a mystery lost to time) and had them on display at Steamtown USA's Bellows Falls, VT site. At one point, after Blount's death but before the move to Scranton, the decision was made that a smaller and lighter engine other than the CPR G5 Pacifics was needed for offseason runs. Due to it's New England history, the two Maine Central 2-8-0s were looked at and evaluated. The #501 was found to have a better boiler, while the #519 was found to have a better running gear. Ultimately, CN 4-6-0 #1551 was chosen for the restoration and work on #1551 actually did begin, but its restoration was never completed at Steamtown, mainly because the Vermont Bicentennial Steamtown Expedition came along and caused Steamtown's shop to shift priorities to CPR #1293. Of course, later on J.J. Jacobson purchased the #1551, since it already had some work completed on it, but it's interesting to speculate that if Steamtown had begun work on either of the MEC 2-8-0s, Jacobson might have ended up with one of them rather than CN #1551.

When Steamtown announced it was moving to Scranton, it appeared that both MEC 2-8-0s were headed there, and they probably would have if someone hadn't known about #501's lease from the MEC. An anonymous letter was written to Dwight Smith of the Conway Scenic Railroad and expressed the writer's desire to see #501 remain in New England. Smith informed The 470 Railroad Club of the letter, and the club contacted the MEC to see if there was a way #501 could remain in "home territory". The MEC responded by cancelling the lease to Steamtown, and offering the locomotive to the club for a nominal amount. Since the lease required Steamtown to return #501 to the MEC at an interchange point of the railroad's choosing at the termination of the lease, Steamtown was required to prepare the locomotive for shipment and return it to the MEC at Whitefield, NH. Dave Conrad from the Valley Railroad in Connecticut got the locomotive "ready to roll", and accompanied it to Whitefield in a special train move via the B&M. A day or two later, the MEC (with quite a bit of fanfare) moved the locomotive to the Conway Scenic Railroad interchange at Intervale, NH. Ironically, the first locomotive to depart Steamtown in Bellows Falls on its own wheels as a result of the Scranton relocation did not head for Pennsylvania.

The #501 languished in the Conway Scenic yard at North Conway, NH for a number of years. In the late 1990s, the 470 Club, with promised support from the CSRR, decided to restore #501 to operating condition. Dave Conrad was hired to do an evaluation of #501, and he found it to be an excellent candidate for restoration. Unfortunately, the 470 Club decided to ignore some of Dave's advice as well as that of some other steam professionals; they took the "inexpensive route", and hired a less-than-reputable contractor to perform #501's boiler work. The result was a newly acquired set of tubes and flues being questionably installed, and knowledgeable people who witnessed the contractor working on #501 claim that he made several illegal repairs as well. At least one witness said that he happened by the Conway Scenic a couple of days before the FRA was scheduled to approve the #501's boiler repairs, and the boiler was full of water, but not under pressure, with water leaking from every place imaginable. When the gentleman working on the locomotive told him, "We've got the boiler ready for the Federal man", he just shook his head in disbelief. From his experience with Steamtown USA, he knew the FRA's regional MP&E steam inspector Paul Furman wouldn't accept even the smallest leak under full hydro pressure. #501's boiler wasn't about to pass muster with Furman, and it didn't. To make matter worse, the Club's main volunteer on #501 and the CSRR's owner "locked horns" shortly thereafter, and work on #501 ground to a halt. There were a few half-hearted attempts to get the #501 project going again, but those all came to an end when the project's main supporter in the Club passed away.

Recon1342
Recon1342 SuperDork
9/14/22 4:56 p.m.

Looks like a better than even chance that the class I railroads suffer their first strike in decades...

NickD
NickD MegaDork
9/14/22 5:47 p.m.

In reply to Recon1342 :

It's going to hurt everyone, bad, but I can't blame them. They've been mistreated for decades, and things are only getting worse, and right now they have some serious leverage. I hope they get what they're looking for.

I had to laugh at Pete Buttgieg's response of "Oh we'll just have truckers take up the slack." One, I don't think truck drivers are feeling the most participatory currently, whether they're right or wrong. Two, do the math. A 200 car double-stack train is 400 containers. That requires 400 truck drivers minimum to replace one train.

Recon1342
Recon1342 SuperDork
9/14/22 5:55 p.m.

In reply to NickD :

Agreed. I honestly expect a strike, which will top off our dumpster fire of an economy quite nicely. I don't think it will fix itself any other way...

 PSR only helps Wall Street, and running a 10,000 ft long cargo train is not the place to drop to a one-person crew, especially considering how far from civilization some of our mainlines still are. The lack of emphasis on safety and well-being is nearly criminal.

NickD
NickD MegaDork
9/15/22 6:29 a.m.

In reply to Recon1342 :

I remember reading an account of a guy who worked for a Class I and he was talking about what it was like running under PSR with a single-man crew. He said he had a 200 car train, with barely enough horsepower to get it moving despite there being hundreds of engines in storage, and was barely clear of the yard when he yanked apart a coupler. He then had to walk a mile back along the ballast to find the break, swap the coupler out with a spare by himself, walk back to the locomotive, and then he was in a sag and couldn't get the train started again. So then he had to call into the yard and have the yard crew bring the pair of Geeps they were switching with out to where he was to give him a push to get him rolling again. Its madness, and just poor operating practice, but it makes the shareholders happy, so that's the way we go. One person recalled a relevant ditty he found scrawled on the cabinet door of a Burlington Northern SD9 "Uphill slow, downhill fast, profits first, safety last"

NickD
NickD MegaDork
9/15/22 8:24 a.m.

Treading carefully around politics here (although I'm pretty sure none of the mods even look at this thread, ha) the current administration is between a rock and a hard place on this. They campaigned on, and were arguably elected by the union vote. Yet simultaneously, they have faced unbelievable amounts of scrutiny over the state of the economy the last couple years. They can support the railroad unions, which, if the strike lasts for long will inevitably NOT be good for the economy, or, they can lead a strong arm deal which isn't necessarily in the unions' favor to restore a smooth running supply chain should the strike move forward this week.

Earlier this year, there was a Presidential Emergency Board appointed on the situation, but the results were found to be lacking by those affected. For example, many railroad workers don’t have any paid time off at all, and the PEB's recommendation was...just one added day of paid time off. “The PEB punted on just about every single issue, and left people feeling kind of betrayed and kind of vacant, because of the discontent on the railroad right now,” said Ron Kaminkow, general secretary of Railroad Workers United. "“It’s our speculation that if this contract is approved and the PEB recommendations form the basis for a tentative agreement, and this is what we end up with, you will probably see thousands of workers in train engine service who will wait to get the best paid lump sum settlement and then they’ll quit. So it doesn’t solve any of the problems that the industry is facing."

“If Congress imposes the results of the PEB, or imposes a bad contract down our throat without addressing the attendance policy, or quality of life issues, or our taxable meal issues, without addressing any of that, then people are just going to leave. They already are, but people are just going to continue leaving the industry,” said Michael Paul Lindsey, a locomotive engineer for Union Pacific in Idaho for 17 years.

“They can try to force us out of a strike, but they can’t force us to not quit, and that could result in an even bigger effect on the economy. Congress needs to think long and hard before they force it within the strike, because if they do, it will have a much bigger strike as people resign and leave the industry,” he said.

In other words, the railroads are smarter to deal with the unions than they are to strongarm them. Getting a workforce back to work after a strike is much easier than trying to replace an entire workforce when the entire public is now aware that the well is poisoned.

 

NickD
NickD MegaDork
9/15/22 8:27 a.m.

CNN is saying that after a 20-hour marathon session, the strike is tentatively averted.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/15/business/railroad-strike-averted-tentative-deal

No mention on time-off or attendance policies or staffing shortages, but the deal gives the union members an immediate 14% raise with back pay dating back to 2020, and raises totaling 24% during the five-year life of the contract, that runs from 2020 through 2024. It also gives them cash bonuses of $1,000 a year. Not all the details have been released, but I'm assuming there is some other concessions in there, because kind of the whole message from the unions was "No amount of money is enough to fix how this job destroys our lives."

NickD
NickD MegaDork
9/15/22 10:12 a.m.

In advance of the strike, NS was moving extra interchange traffic to R&N in what seemed like an attempt to tide them over until operations resumed to normal. Someone caught this video of two of the R&N's MP15DC switchers screaming their guts out as they lifted 135 loaded freight cars from NS's North Reading yard up to Reading Outer Station.

https://www.facebook.com/100039396773357/videos/5418535768201423/

Used to be that NS brought the interchange traffic up to Outer Reading Station but as they've cut back crews, R&N has instead been forced to go down to North Reading to pick up the cars themselves.

NickD
NickD MegaDork
9/15/22 3:51 p.m.

I've mentioned the original New England incarnation of Steamtown USA, so now seems like a relevant time to recount what I recently learned about the very early, pre-Bellows Falls, VT era, which was from about '61 to '63. As Nelson Blount originally envisioned it, Steamtown USA was not to be the train ride portion, it was instead supposed to be a museum styled in the theme of a turn-of-the-century village, a la Greenfield Village, that would have also had steam tractors and steam fire truck and the static display steam locomotives. The actual operating train portion was named the Monadnock, Steamtown & Northern, and the idea was that you would hop aboard an MS&N train and ride to Steamtown USA and tour the museum/village, and then ride back out aboard the MS&N. Also, worth pointing out that even early on, Blount intended for this to be a government-financed operation and was courting New Hampshire to help provide a location and some funding. Steamtown USA was never intended to be a fully privately-funded operation, Blount was wealthy but he knew he had limits. The New Hampshire governor of the time was willing to help with funding in hopes of drawing in tourist, Blount just had to find a site. Blount was interested in purchasing the Cheshire Branch off of the Boston & Maine and was in talks with them to purchase it and operate the Monadnock, Steamtown & Northern over it, and then New Hampshire would help with the construction of the Steamtown USA museum in Keene, NH.

Boston & Maine was dragging their heels on the sale of the Cheshire Branch , and Blount wanted to at least get the Monadnock, Steamtown & Northern up and running some trips, since he already had the locomotive, Canadian National 4-6-4T commuter tank #47, and cars sitting around burning money. He approached the Concord & Claremont, an independent New Hampshire shortline, about operating over their dormant Concord Branch trackage from Bradford to Lake Sunapee, and was able to sign an agreement to run there for the 1961 season. This then put Blount and his team in a bit of a scramble to get ready, since the coaches he had purchased were old wooden B&M coaches that had been gutted of seats and windows. In the weeks leading up to the first runs, they were busy putting a piece of pipe at half height across the windows for safety, buying up whatever seats they could find to install (including pews from a church that was being torn down) and slapping a coat of yellow paint on them that was still drying when they made the first runs.

The first runs were made in July 22 and went through to September 17, but steam operation came to an early end on August 25. This is where things get really interesting. In 1959, Nelson Blount had gone north of the border and purchased #47, a class X-10a 4-6-4T commuter tank. It was a good choice for his operations because it was designed to accelerate several cars up to speed fairly quickly, so it only had 63" drivers, and it was able to run in reverse just as nicely as forward. They didn't have long range, but he wasn't planning on long-distance running either. The #47 ran pretty well doing what he asked of it, but on August 25th it was kicked out of service by ICC inspectors. Now, the story that's always told is that the ICC came to check on the engine and that the discovery was made that the maintenance paperwork had been destroyed in a fire, and that the #47 would need a complete inspection. Search around for CN #47 on the internet and that is the story you'll find, hell, I believe the National Park Service still spouts that story even. That story is false, there hadn't been a fire at a CN facility that would have had maintenance paperwork since 1948, and the next one wouldn't be until around '64/'65. The actual story is so much more interesting.

Correspondences between Blount and CN were found showing that in 1959, when he approached the CN about buying an engine, they offered him the #47, but that they alerted him that the final four maintenance records had "been disposed of." Not destroyed in a fire, but simply disposed of because the engine was retired and they didn't see it being reactivated. Blount went ahead with the purchase anyway, was given the paperwork that they did have, and he moved it down to North Walpole, NH and put it into service. When the ICC came to inspect the engine, they asked for maintenance paperwork, he showed them what they had and the ICC noticed the four missing records. They put the locomotive out of service unless he could either provide full service documentation or he was willing to tear the engine down. Diesel power was substituted but ridership dropped as a result and Blount wasn't pleased that Monadnock, Steamtown & Northern trains were running with diesels, so he wrote CN and asked if they could please search for those maintenance records. CN did a search and indeed turned up a second copy of the maintenance paperwork and it included the four missing entries, but it also showed that the #47 had been due to be retubed in late 1957, CN had filed for and received a one-year extension on the flue time, they had run it until the extension expired and then retired the engine. Blount would need to perform boiler work for the ICC to allow him to run it again, and instead he decided to find an operational engine, leading to the #47 being parked, never to run again. Where it gets even crazier is that a gentleman who wrote a book on the MN&S said that during the writing process, the grandfather of a friend of his passed away and they were going through his railfan memorabilia. He found a sealed envelope in a stack of books and photos, opened it up, and found the original missing paperwork for the #47. The guy had visited CN around 1958 and toured the shops, and when he had asked for a souveneir, they had given him the maintenance paperwork for the #47, since it was retired and they had no plans to reactivate it.

Over the off-season, Blount operated on the assumption that he would be running on the Claremont & Concorde again, since there had been no issues with leasing the dormant tracks from them. He was still working on a deal with the B&M for the Cheshire Branch, with them basically saying that they wanted to sell him the branch but that they weren't ready to sell just yet. His team of mechanics went through Rahway Valley Railway 2-8-0 #15, which was stored with his collection at North Walpole, NH, and got it running as the new MS&N power for the '62 season. And then, just as it looked like the '62 season was going to be a success, he got the rug pulled out from under him. For reasons unknown, the Claremont & Concorde opted not to renew their lease of the Bradford-Lake Sunapee line. While the exact reason is lost to time, the logic is that, considering the C&C abandoned that line in '64, they were starting to make the moves to abandon the line and wanted Blount out of the way. So, he was left back in the same situation as he was in '61: Locomotive and cars all dressed up with no place to go. The Monadnock, Steamtown & Northern made some runs over the B&M Cheshire Branch in 1962, but then things were set back even further in 1963, when NH governor Wesley Powell, who had pledged support for Steamtown USA, lost his reelection. The new governor said that the Steamtown USA plan "did not take advantage of anything that is singularly and peculiarly New Hampshire" and pulled state support.

In 1963, Blount opened visiting to his collection of steam locomotives at North Walpole under the Steamtown USA and ran trips again on the Cheshire Branch, which B&M still wasn't willing to sell. By this point, with the lack of state support and B&M's continual delaying of the sale of the Cheshire Branch, Blount realized the situation in New Hampshire was becoming untenable. At this point, Vermont enters the picture. In 1961, the Rutland Railroad had filed for abandonment after years of decline, and the state of Vermont had taken ownership. Vermont wanted to keep the tracks active and servicing on-line customers and was searching for an owner. They were also aware of Nelson Blount's ongoing plight in North Walpole (since it was literally directly across the Connecticut River) and they made him an offer: they would give him the Bellows Falls-Rutland section of the Rutland, and all attached facilities, for his museum and excursions and in return he would keep the line operating and service freight customers. Blount was apparently not enthused about getting into the freight business, he strictly wanted to operate Steamtown USA and the MS&N, but his inner circle convinced him that it would be another source of revenue, and during the offseason he would be able to shift his MS&N employees over to the freight side of things rather than lay them off. Blount was convinced and formed the Green Mountain Railway, which would operate freight duties. This resulted in three entities on the same property: Green Mountain Railway owned the tracks and ran freight service, passenger excursions were run under the Monadnock, Steamtown & Northern banner (although the locomotives wore the Green Mountain name), and the roundhouse and display tracks at Bellows Falls were the under the auspices of the Steamtown Foundation for the Preservation of Steam and Railroad Americana.

The whole issue caused a stir with the B&M though. First, the B&M had now just lost the eventual sale of the Cheshire Branch to Blount. Second, the B&M had had designs for the Rutland and had been hoping to end up as the owner of it, and now Blount had just swiped 52 miles of it. And, with opening day of the Bellows Falls operation approaching, the B&M was refusing to move Blount's equipment out of North Walpole and across the river to VT out of spite. Just 24 hours before the gates were to open to visitors, Blount was in Boston pleading with the B&M to move his collection the short distance to Bellows Falls, when he received a phone call from the court appointees for the liquidation of the Rutland Railroad. They were aware of the problem and explained that technically, until midnight when the sale of the Rutland's final assets went through, the Rutland Railroad was still in operation and they still had one locomotive on the property, so if Blount could provide them with a list of the engines and cars he absolutely needed, the Rutland could authorize a special move. So, under literal cover of darkness, like something out of a movie, the Rutland Railroad dispatched the remaining Alco RS-1 over to North Walpole, collected Nelson Blount's equipment and brought it back to Bellows Falls, making the final run of the Rutland Railroad. With equipment in place to operate, he then later negotiated with Boston & Maine and had everything gradually moved onto the property over the following year.

The deal with Vermont for the Rutland ended up being a bit of a Faustian bargain. While he did get a location and trackage to run on, Vermont essentially told him "We gave you that, don't ever ask us for anything ever again." Without the state funding that he had envisioned originally, he was never able to build Steamtown USA as he had imagined it. By early 1967, he was reportedly already realizing the Vermont was not going to work out. He had written a correspondence to one of his inner circle saying that the strain of operating his seafood business (where he got his wealth), Edaville, the Green Mountain, and Steamtown USA/MS&N was starting to get to him and he was thinking of taking a step back and letting others be in charge. Ross Rowland also claimed that during a 1966 excursion where he borrowed CPR #1278 to run over the CNJ, he and Blount were talking and Blount said that the situation in Vermont was untenable and he needed to move someplace more conducive. Blount and Rowlands were supposedly in talks with New Jersey to take over the CNJ's disused Jersey City facilities and move everything down there. 

All of that was cut short with Blount's death in 1967 when he crashed a small airplane during landing. Edgar Mead, who had been the final president of the Bridgton & Saco River, took over as director but in his own words "After Nelson's death, we just did the best we could." There were plenty on the board who could've run things, but they were so used to Blount being in charge and so shocked at his death that they just kind of fell into a holding pattern, paralyzed with indecision. The rumored NJ move, for example, died in that airplane crash as well. No major work, other than mechanical work on locomotives, was performed, so it never really realized Blount's vision. The Monadnock, Steamtown & Northern was deemed redundant and was basically rolled into the Green Mountain Railroad.

The railroad was beset by further issues after Blount's death. Ed Mead was superceded by Bob Barbera, who had some very odd ideas that soured relations between Steamtown and Class I railroads and railfans. The Vermont Board of Health began pressuring Steamtown over air pollution. A rift formed between the Green Mountain Railroad and Steamtown over the maintenance of the tracks, which turned into a bitter feud. The chairman and the director of the Steamtown board both resigned in 1980 after accusing the board of incompetence. In 1981, no excursions were run, after Don Ball, Jr., took over direction of Steamtown and discovered that the excursion train did not meet federal safety guidelines. Even at its peak year, 1973, Steamtown only drew in 65,000 visitors, and by 1981 was only bringing in 16,000 visitors, despite having the largest collection of steam locomotives anywhere. At the same time, the Valley Railroad in Connecticut was bringing in 139,000 a year. A 1982 snow storm collapsed the roof of the roundhouse, damaging several locomotives, including CPR #1293 and Meadow River Lumber #1.

Fifteen years after Blount had realized that there wasn't a future, the rest of his organization came to the same conclusion. They began a search for a new location, even looking at Orlando, Florida, before settling on the old DL&W complex at Scranton. In anticipation of this economic boon, the city and a private developer spent $13 million to renovate the ex-DL&W station into a Hilton hotel. After a difficult move of a fleet of locomotives which had sat out in the elements for over two decades, the stress of which is theorized to have contributed to Don Ball Jr.'s fatal heart attack, everything arrived in Scranton and work began on getting the disused facilities ready for visitors. When Steamtown opened in 1987, only 60,000 visitors turned out for the year. A big part of the issue was that Scranton had a roaring 13% unemployment rate and was in a severe state of decline. Another was that while the tourists in Vermont had enjoyed the sights of cornfields, farms, covered bridges, a waterfall and a gorge on a Steamtown excursion, the scenery from Scranton to Moscow isn't particularly great, including running through one of the largest automotive junkyards in the nation. By 1988, the Steamtown Foundation was $2.2 million in debt and they canceled all excursions for that year, ending Steamtown's era as a private organization.

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Recon1342 SuperDork
9/15/22 4:35 p.m.

In reply to NickD :

Concessions include an extra day of PTO a year, no penalties of unpaid days off for Dr's appointments, etc., and a few other things. 
 

https://www.whec.com/business/rail-workers-win-key-concessions-in-deal-to-prevent-strike/

 

I'm not convinced it'll be enough. If I was a union worker, I'd vote to strike. The only way they get things to improve is if everybody else feels the pain. 

 

NickD
NickD MegaDork
9/15/22 4:44 p.m.
LS_BC8 said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqAmm5WaZ-I        #47 running for Steamtown

Man, that's some rare footage. She only ran for five weeks on the MN&S. Also, wow, that is some rough road bed. There's a few spots you can't even see the ties anymore and they're still wheeling along pretty good on it.

Of all the engines in the Steamtown NHS collection that could feasibly run one day, the #47 is the one I would love to see run again the most. It's a unique piece, there is a tangential historical connection since the CNJ went to Scranton and the CNJ had similar 4-6-4T commuter tanks, and it would work pretty well for their shorter trips since it has fairly short drivers and can run backwards just as well as forwards. At the very least, I'd love to see it get indoors and stabilized and cosmetically restored.

NickD
NickD MegaDork
9/15/22 4:49 p.m.

Sister CN X-10a #49 at Quebec in '54

NickD
NickD MegaDork
9/15/22 4:53 p.m.
Recon1342 said:

In reply to NickD :

Concessions include an extra day of PTO a year, no penalties of unpaid days off for Dr's appointments, etc., and a few other things. 
 

https://www.whec.com/business/rail-workers-win-key-concessions-in-deal-to-prevent-strike/

 

I'm not convinced it'll be enough. If I was a union worker, I'd vote to strike. The only way they get things to improve is if everybody else feels the pain. 

The "extra day of PTO" is pretty eye-rolling, since there are some guys who get none. I'd have fought for one week minimum.

I did see where CSX's CEO Jim Foote announced his retirement today. I wonder if it has anything to do with his dismal showing at the STB hearing and the whole impending strike debacle. The protege of Hunter Harrison has looked like a complete and utter fool this year. He's being replaced by former Ford Motor Co. executive Joseph Hinrich

NickD
NickD MegaDork
9/15/22 7:50 p.m.

Here's a wild video that popped up yesterday. That's UP 2-10-2 #5511 being moved around the yard at Cheyenne, with UP #4014 serving as the world's largest yard switcher. Crazy that they burned a couple days of flue time for that, but then again, they'll run out on the 15-year time before they run out of the operation days. They're presumably breaking in the bearings on the #5512, after sitting for so many years, before the move to Silvis. That's the first time in many, many years that Young valve gear has been seen in motion. I have to wonder, how is UP going to use #4014 to move #3985, #5511 and #6936. It'd be mental if they did.

 

Recon1342
Recon1342 SuperDork
9/15/22 9:23 p.m.

In reply to NickD :

I saw that one. That's the railroad equivalent of swatting a fly with a sledgehammer...

NickD
NickD MegaDork
9/16/22 9:37 a.m.

On Tuesday, the town of Tupper Lake, NY saw it's first passenger train in 41 years when Adirondack Railroad ran their inaugural train to the ex-NYC depot. Tupper Lake is now the northernmost terminus of the Adirondack Railroad, with trains able to run 108 miles from Utica north to Tupper Lake uninterrupted. Before the 34-mile segment from Tupper Lake to Lake Placid was torn up, the only trains through were the moves of the equipment running on the Lake Placid-Saranac Lake segment heading down to Utica and Thendara for winter storage or heading up for the start of the season. They ran a train with people aboard the whole way from Utica to Lake Placid back in 2000, to celebrate the opening of the operations on the Lake Placid-Saranac Lake end, but they didn't stop in Tupper Lake (I read where one of the employees said he was assigned to follow along in a truck to rerail them if they went in the dirt, and while they never did have a derailment, there were spots where the track was 3" out of gauge.) The last time there was actual passenger trains stopping at Tupper Lake to pick up and unload passengers was in 1981, for the original 1979-1981 Adirondack Railway that hauled people to the 1980 Winter Olympics. As part of the deal with the state for losing the Lake Placid-Saranac Lake corridor to the trail crowd, the state paid to rehabilitate the line from Big Moose, north of Thendara, all the way up to Tupper Lake.

The event also was the unveiling of their newly acquired ex-Green Bay & Western/Minnesota Commercial C424, in it it's new number, #2400, and the new livery that the Adirondack is going to use. While I do appreciate that the new livery has some heavy D&H cues (ironic because they're running on the NYC's Adirondack Division, not the D&H's Adirondack Division) I do find it a little frustrating that they never even got all their equipment painted into the old black, yellow and green livery, and now they're already moving on to a different look. They've now got equipment in the old NYC lightning stripes, some stuff in Norfolk Southern Tuscan red and black, and the old "new" look with the black, yellow and green.

NickD
NickD MegaDork
9/16/22 9:55 a.m.

NickD
NickD MegaDork
9/16/22 12:04 p.m.

A photo of the various power at Cheyenne, lined up before the big move. From left to right, UP Big Boy #4014, UP FEF-3 #844, UP Challenger #3985, UP TTT-6 #5511 and UP DD40AX #6936. The #3985, #5511 and #6936 will all be leaving sometime in the near future for Silvis, Illinois for the Railroading Heritage of Midwest America museum. I had a internal bet going that UP was going to move those east when they ran #4014 down to Denver in a sleight of hand move. Everyone would go chasing #4014 south, and then UP would move the other stuff east without the hassle of railfans.

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