dropstep said:I love my Taurus. It's the millinium g2. Put upwards of 500 rounds of federal cheap target rounds through it without issue. Same with my wife's ruger lc9. It was weird going from an old colt 1911 but I'm starting to like the stryker fired polymer guns.
My Girlfriend carrys a LC9 and she likes how small it is, and its not terrible to shoot like the internet says.
FlightService said:Dusterbd13 said:
I purchased a brand new Kel Tec pf9 compact 9mm. I feel i got a good deal.
When i took it to ccw class today, range instructor told me i wasn't allowed to fire it on his range due to them having a tendancy to jam, misfire, and explode.
I was looking at a Kel Tec in Louisiana and was told by my gun nut friend that Kel Tec built great fun guns but you didn't want them for CCW due to reliability issues. Seems to be a problem with them in general. Then again what is the rate of occurrence? 1/box 1/case 1/mag? He cited his jammed at least once an outing. He didn't sell it. He never sold any of his guns. He did enjoy shooting it, he just didn't trust it as a CCW
IMHO if I was looking for a CCW, I would it dead nuts reliable first. Good luck.
Reliability is always a fun topic with gun people.
I carried around a Kimber Custom Compact for a long time and heard the sintered metal talking point a lot (it wasn't even made of sintered metal...) and the frame hasn't cracked yet. I'm on its second barrel and I used to run 6.5 grains of powder behind a 300 grain semi wadcutter to hunt hogs.
The G4 Glock 19 talking points were always the standard plastic gun thing (yea ok) and how often they stove pipe due to the dual spring arrangement. I put better than 3000 rounds through that gun and had 2 stove pipes. I'll take any bet you want to make if the odds are 99.9994% in my favor.
The internet has a tendency to assist people in blowing things out of proportion.
That said if I was getting a jam, double feed, or stovepipe every 200 rounds I'd rethink my position.
WOW Really Paul? said:Greg Smith said:In reply to former520 :
I have a 26, but the single stack Glock 42 (.380) is *so* much easier to dress around. And I actially shot qualifications with it a couple points better than I did with my duty Glock 19. It's just well-designed.
Apologies for bumping after 2 months, actually couldn't remember my login. :/
I am curious as to if you noticed your Glock 42 requiring a break in period before it would reliably cycle JHP ammunition. Mine got sent back to Glock after 300rds didn't do it and it took nearly 600rds after I got it back before it started feeding right.
On a note from the last page, I did finally get the hop up parts on the CZ p-09 and holy crap is it good now. Trigger is probably 1/3rd of the travel, no takeup, crisp break, and something around 3lbs SA & 6lbs DA.
I decided I'd try out a revolution in pistol design and bought a Hudson H9. It's good, VERY good. 12 O'clock hold is weird for the sights, but I'm going to do a red dot on this one and get a H9A later this year for iron sight stuff(unlike XYZ manufacturers, they've been listening to input so they're adjusting the irons)
If you own a Glock 42 or any other 380 auto, do yourself a favor and try some Lehigh Defense rounds...gun should cycle and function as if a round nose, penetrates like a round nose, but impacts and leaves a wound channel better than any 380 hollow points: the Xtreme Defense rounds leaves a 2.5" wound channel with 14" of penetration. Well worth the cost for the highly advanced engineered copper round - uses hydradynamics to slow it down and cause devastating wound channel from a solid round that doesn't deform, no other 380 round can do what it does:
Lehigh Defense Xtreme Defense 380Auto
I've not used the Xreme Defense rounds but have the Extreme Penetrator wth zero issues in my Glock 42.
One thing I learned about glocks recently (according to the internet, anyway:)
Cycle the magazines occasionally. After going through a godzillion rounds with my gen 4 21, I finally experienced a round failing to feed. Turns out having 13 rounds of .45 in the mag for extended periods can wear out springs...or so the internet would have me believe.
Also, personally, I like wheel-guns for “reliability.”
In reply to poopshovel again :
It’s not the mag being left full as much as the cycling. In my experience. I’ve had a couple mags left full at 8!rounds and (sadly) not used them for a couple years of sitting in a safe nd they function fine.
In reply to dropstep :
I had a 24/7 compact .45 for a few years. Great little 10+1 compact. Shot decent for a 3” bbl .45 at closeish range. Did not like 230gr flat nosed hollow points though.
FlightService said:Kind of off topic for the question, but are you looking at automatics only? I have an S&W 38+p (older version of the 637) that I would use to carry if I wanted to go that way. Easy to hide, simple to shoot, dead-nuts reliable, and not horribly uncomfortable (I have big hands)
Just a thought.
Agreed. I have a 60-14 that I absolutely adore. .357 doesn’t hurt my hand like my LCR does for some reason.
In reply to Vracer111 :
Yep, I used Ruger ARX as carry ammo for it since that was all that would feed.
My 10mm 1911 has xtreme defenders kept in it.....because screw your IIIA vest, windshield, and multiple layers of clothes.
On the 10MM 1911's, weren't there "issues" in the original Colts? How can you tell if one is before or after the issues were resolved? I mean, I don't need another caliber to feed; getting 300BO to run right in a 7" pistol with 230GR cast boolits put me off of load development for a while. I'm just kinda curious.
On this subject. Has any cycled some of the new Novx ammo through their guns yet? I haven't seen any reviews on it yet.
The whole not a hollow point but fully frangible when it hits steel or solid enough surface thing is pretty interesting, they're lead free, and the wound channels from the self defense stuff appears to be pretty serious.
While this has been brought back up I'll throw a question out there.
I'm seriously considering a Ruger LCP II specifically for when I'm on the bike. I know the 380 is a little smaller than most of you guys seem to like for a carry gun but the super small size is very appealing to me for not getting uncomfortable after several hours on the bike. Anyway, anyone have any long term reliability issues with one? Does anyone have one?
In reply to Nick Comstock :
I have a regular LCP 380 and pretty much only use it as an ankle or pocket gun when I can't discreetly carry my Shield. It's not a lot of firepower and it's not fun to shoot, but it's also better than nothing. In the tiny size category I think overall I'd be happier with a snub revolver.
I still kinda want a colt Mustang or sig 238. I have no valid reason for it. Just because.
In reply to oldopelguy :
I used to have an old snub nose 38. Even though it was a small gun I think the width will be an issue. The other concern about the LCP is given it's diminutive size my finger barely fits in the trigger guard without a glove on, I'd have to get much thinner gloves. The LCP II has a slightly bigger and more squared trigger guard so it may be workable.
It's like everything else though, I overanalyze everything then usually buy the first thing I come across. Still sorta enamored with the LCP II.
My dad had an LCP a while back. Neither of us could ever shoot a decent group with it. It didn't become clear why until we put a lazer sight on it. The combination of a stiff trigger, long trigger pull and very small grip made it really tricky hold it on target during the trigger pull. With the lazer site, you could see the dot move during the trigger pull no matter how hard you tried to steady it. He ended up trading it in on a Sig. Don't know whether the LCP II is better or not.
Dr. Hess said:Taurus is looked down on by gun snobs. I have some and I have no complaints. They also have a lifetime warranty. If you ever have a problem, put it in a FedEx box, overnight it to them, they fix it and FedEx it back to you. Try that with a Colt.
They've had mine for 12+ weeks.
Bought it one afternoon, ran 48 rounds through it...struggling with some trigger issue, and called them the next morning. Spent over an hour on hold (this is not an exaggeration) waiting to talk to someone. They paid to ship it back, so that was nice...but they said "due to the holidays" repairs were running 12 weeks right now and asked if I was OK with that (My response was, "What other option do I have?"). 12 weeks after I sent it in I called (and once again spent over 1 hour on hold waiting to talk to someone) and they said it was still waiting to be repaired. Then a week later I notice on their website it has been repaired. I probably should have called 6 weeks ago.
I'm not trying to complain about my $200 PT111 Millennium and I don't think this is a standard turnaround for them. I just take it as the tradeoff for a low price gun (to get it right...wow do I hope it's right when I finally get it) is going to take a while.
But I wanted to note that "just send it back and they'll fix it" is much simpler than my experience has been.
OK, "Just send it back and wait and they'll fix it."
This delay will just be a flash in the grand scheme of things, I hope ;)
Again, it's a bargain of a pistol. I read the reviews and wasn't surprised when I had a trigger issue. In theory, I could have put aside $5 or $10 a week during the time they've had it, put it with my original money and bought a marginally-nicer gun instead...but I wouldn't have.
I may or may not become a gun snob later. Right now, just like cars, I want a few low cost ones so I can enjoy them.
And as someone mentioned earlier in the thread...it seems like they're just building and shipping...let the customer do the final QA. Ok...it's cheap enough ;)
This hasn't scared me off from Taurus yet. I'll just remember to buy before I need (and this is not a subject of "need" by any stretch for me).
In reply to ClemSparks :
I love cheap, E36 M3-ass cars. Guns - not so much. And having watched the die-hard Taurus, Kahr, etc. fans make excuses for why their cheap, E36 M3-ass gun doesn’t fire, I have zero interest in owning one. YMMV.
I like high end boom sticks. I like the lower end-ish boom sticks. Taurus is about as low as I'll go, however. I find their general quality to be fine. Sure, there's occasional issues to be initially worked out, but once that's done, they are fine. Like my Helwan. Every one of them needs SOMETHING right off the bat. After that, extremely reliable. I also like to carry, say, theoretically in the car, something that if it got stolen wouldn't hurt my feeling real bad like losing a Colt 1911 Series 70. When a Taurus PT92 is just as reliable as a Glock and probably better than a Berretta, then that's a better "car" gun than a $1500 Colt, for example.
[edit, this post is in reply to poopshovel again...I got interrupted while posting and didn't hit send for an hour or two]
Time will tell. The reviews on this were mostly good even by non-taurus fans. I started looking at the PT92 which was a case of Taurus buying a manufacturing facility and continuing to make a pretty good gun, by most/all accounts I found. But when I put one in my hand it wasn't actually what I was looking for at this time. So the guy at the counter said...well see what you think of this (PT111 Millennium G2 in 9mm). So I held it and liked it and then went home and read everything I could about it. The only real negatives I found were "I won't buy Taurus because they used to build crap" comments. I get that. But I'm a relative newbie to pistols. Several reputable sources said things like, "It's not bad for a cheap gun." I'm not in the market for Kimbers, CZs and fancy collector guns. Someday I might be.
A woman at work brought her boy friend's Kimber 1911 to Gun Day. I shot it. It was really nice, I'll give them that. But even with the Kimbers, google it up and there's a whole slew of fan-bois that swear they are junk because of MIM manufacturing or whatever and unless you replace all the trigger/sear parts, you'll be killed for sure or it might rain or something.
KelTec makes decent guns, i have a P3AT that i love to carry and hate to shoot. It weighs almost nothing so if it jams....its almost always your fault. If you limp wrist it at all the slide doesnt have anything to fight back against to cycle
My Keltec SU-16c receiver broke in half while my then 10 year old son was shooting it. I bought an 809 for my wife that never once made it through even half a mag without a stoppage of some kind. My P3AT shoots exactly 2 kinds of ammo reliably, but it will shoot those 100%. The bad part is my first handgun was a 24/7 Pro .45 and had 6000 rounds through it with less malfunctions than i have fingers when it got stolen. Taurus is a gamble from my own first hand experience. My FNH FNS9c is the best gun ive ever shot, really goid stuff
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