stroker said:"Dear Vlad, nobody wants your E36M3y country. Please pass this along to the Pakistanis as well.
Warmest regards,
The Rest of the World"
This seems, by itself, a truth which could indeed change the world if it were readily accepted in Russia.
Wow, U.N. General Assembly votes to suspend Russia from Human RIghts Council https://www.reuters.com/world/un-vote-suspending-russia-human-rights-council-over-ukraine-2022-04-07/
EDIT: Changed the link to a non-Bezos source
06HHR (Forum Supporter) said:Wow, U.N. General Assembly votes to suspend Russia from Human RIghts Council https://www.reuters.com/world/un-vote-suspending-russia-human-rights-council-over-ukraine-2022-04-07/
EDIT: Changed the link to a non-Bezos source
That's warranted, and I believe a good move
stroker said:"Dear Vlad, nobody wants your E36M3y country. Please pass this along to the Pakistanis as well.
Warmest regards,
The Rest of the World"
I'd bet that quite a few countries would happily take Russia's resources if a non violent option were on the table. They're the primary energy supplier for Europe and China. They might be nothing more than "a gas station masquerading as a country", but that's a pretty critical and valuable role in current times.
tuna55 said:In reply to 02Pilot :
That's really interesting. He's a realist like you, but I do agree with his assessments, and it more confirms what I have learned from reading Dobbs and such than revolutionizes it, but that's great. I am not certain the the degree to which he is right, that Stalin himself did not have an objective view of the outside world, based on his behavior at Yalta. I suppose there is always an element of lying so much that you begin to believe your own lies. You can see this with some politicians, pundits, and actors who have trouble getting out of character. Then again, if deception is generational, then perhaps the original lies are so old and deep that indeed the current liar didn't create them.
Anyway, thanks for sharing this, I enjoyed it, especially these parts:
This speaks directly to Russian advertising on FB and others during our election cycles:
Some in NATO and the EU were paying close attention to the lesson here:
And I'll add my favorite soviet-eque quote. Bonus if you can get the reference without looking it up.
"You are erratic. Conflicted. Disorganised. Every decision is debated, every action questioned, every individual entitled to their own small opinion. You lack harmony, cohesion, greatness. It will be your undoing."
I had a guess about the quote. I looked it up. I was wrong.
In reply to Floating Doc (Forum Supporter) :
Thanks for not spoiling it for the class.
06HHR (Forum Supporter) said:Wow, U.N. General Assembly votes to suspend Russia from Human RIghts Council https://www.reuters.com/world/un-vote-suspending-russia-human-rights-council-over-ukraine-2022-04-07/
EDIT: Changed the link to a non-Bezos source
That's huge!
As far as suspension from the UNHRC, not that it's not warranted, but I'm not sure this does anything positive toward either weakening Russia or supporting Ukraine. It could be argued that it pushes Russia further into isolation, making it less likely to see any reason in wanting to return. The UNHRC is pretty toothless, however, so ultimately I think it's a symbolic gesture, and a fairly weak one at that.
Floating Doc (Forum Supporter) said:tuna55 said:
And I'll add my favorite soviet-eque quote. Bonus if you can get the reference without looking it up.
"You are erratic. Conflicted. Disorganised. Every decision is debated, every action questioned, every individual entitled to their own small opinion. You lack harmony, cohesion, greatness. It will be your undoing."
I had a guess about the quote. I looked it up. I was wrong.
...and here we are, proving her point!
02Pilot said:As far as suspension from the UNHRC, not that it's not warranted, but I'm not sure this does anything positive toward either weakening Russia or supporting Ukraine. It could be argued that it pushes Russia further into isolation, making it less likely to see any reason in wanting to return. The UNHRC is pretty toothless, however, so ultimately I think it's a symbolic gesture, and a fairly weak one at that.
I fear you're right, but the whole situation reminds me of this.
In reply to Javelin and 02Pilot:
You guys posting sequentially with the complete opposite viewpoints is funny.
I agree with Jav. It's huge, and meaningful, and will help everyone long-term.
sobe_death said:Floating Doc (Forum Supporter) said:tuna55 said:
And I'll add my favorite soviet-eque quote. Bonus if you can get the reference without looking it up.
"You are erratic. Conflicted. Disorganised. Every decision is debated, every action questioned, every individual entitled to their own small opinion. You lack harmony, cohesion, greatness. It will be your undoing."
I had a guess about the quote. I looked it up. I was wrong.
...and here we are, proving her point!
Well in a way. We are disagreeing and bickering and the US foreign policy is certainly not unified and often chaotic, but we're also all sitting comfortably posting to the internet with our good jobs, healthy families, plenty of food and clean water, so maybe it's not our undoing. Maybe it's just a bit more chaotic than otherwise.
I believe that Russia is arrogant enough to think that whatever they do will not cost them a seat at the big table. While this doesn't send them down to the table in the living room with the toddlers it does move them over to the preteen end of the table where the kid who hasn't learned what deodorant is and the wierd girl who hasn't found out that she is Goth have to sit.
In reply to QuasiMofo (John Brown) :
I hope Vlad likes the smell of Pachouli...
tuna55 said:sobe_death said:...and here we are, proving her point!
Well in a way. We are disagreeing and bickering and the US foreign policy is certainly not unified and often chaotic, but we're also all sitting comfortably posting to the internet with our good jobs, healthy families, plenty of food and clean water, so maybe it's not our undoing. Maybe it's just a bit more chaotic than otherwise.
(My post was a quote from the same episode)
stroker said:In reply to QuasiMofo (John Brown) :
I hope Vlad likes the smell of Pachouli...
And Drakkar Noir
In reply to sobe_death :
OOPS
A bit more perspective on Buca:
Buca is where the Russians advanced into in the early part of the invasion. A Russian column rolled into the city in nice formation and the Ukrainians took out the lead vehicle, and the trailing vehicle, then proceeded to take out the rest of the column nicely trapped in between, leaving a lot of toasty Russians. When the Russians eventually took the city (64th Rifle Brigade ), they saw the result, and decided to take it out on the populace apparently.
Also of note: A lot of what the Russians have been doing is very well documented (as we have seen). Much of their communication has also been well captured (cell and otherwise) and there is information that shows there was communication that also documented their war crimes (stupid people do stupid things).
Heck, there are probably live hi-res shots of what happened from satellites, but of course, those likely cannot be shared with many (maybe de-rezed?)
There should be some very rock solid cases created. The question is, what will be done? The Russians will just claim "Hollywood effects", all fake and such. No one is going into Russia and getting these people...
This is a map where all of the member of the 64th Rifle Brigade are from:
The bodies of 410 civilians were removed from Bucha, the neighbouring towns of Hostomel and Irpin and smaller villages around Kyiv, Ukraine’s Prosecutor General Iryna Venedyktova said on Sunday, April 3.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/4/4/will-the-bucha-massacre-wake-up-the-world
Interesting messaging (of note, this is Russia Today). I am suspicious the Ukrainians are getting less and less interested in agreements at this point. If Ukraine starts going on the offensive (beyond what the Russians recently captured) one wonders what the western reaction to that will be. Strong support? Reluctant support? Waining support?
Moscow hopes the Russian military operation in Ukraine might end in the near future, possibly “in the coming days,” Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told Sky News on Thursday. Either the Russian troops will end it by reaching their military goals or Moscow and Kiev will reach an agreement through negotiations, he added.
https://www.rt.com/russia/553495-operation-ukraine-end-days-kremlin/
Truss after Nato meeting: "There was support for countries to supply new and heavier equipment. We agreed to help Ukrainian forces move from their Soviet-era equipment to Nato standard equipment, on a bilateral basis”
aircooled said:Interesting messaging (of note, this is Russia Today). I am suspicious the Ukrainians are getting less and less interested in agreements at this point. If Ukraine starts going on the offensive (beyond what the Russians recently captured) one wonders what the western reaction to that will be. Strong support? Reluctant support? Waining support?
So far, the Senate seems to indicate pretty strong support?
Ukraine Democracy Defense Lend-Lease Act of 2022
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The waivers provided by this bill shall be in effect until (1) the conflict beginning with Russia's annexation of the Crimea region of Ukraine in 2014 has ceased, and (2) Russia has reduced its military force on Ukraine's eastern border to the levels maintained prior to March 1, 2021.
I missed the quote too, kinda funny where it came from
There are ironies and then there are ironies. If nothing else, this certainly gives credence to the reach and effectiveness of the US entertainment industry as a mechanism of soft power.
Ran across another warning of a '70s-level oil shortage, this time from a Wall Street exec:
(Warning: brace for popups like it's 1999)
In reply to GameboyRMH :
When there is blood in the streets, there's a lot of money to be made. Keeping oil prices high is a pretty classic move of that.
02Pilot said:There are ironies and then there are ironies. If nothing else, this certainly gives credence to the reach and effectiveness of the US entertainment industry as a mechanism of soft power.
There is also a good chance that was done by an American, or at least a westerner.
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