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Giant Purple Snorklewacker
Giant Purple Snorklewacker MegaDork
3/13/13 4:53 p.m.

EXCLUSIVE - U.S. to let spy agencies scour Americans' finances

(Reuters) - The Obama administration is drawing up plans to give all U.S. spy agencies full access to a massive database that contains financial data on American citizens and others who bank in the country, according to a Treasury Department document seen by Reuters.

The proposed plan represents a major step by U.S. intelligence agencies to spot and track down terrorist networks and crime syndicates by bringing together financial databanks, criminal records and military intelligence. The plan, which legal experts say is permissible under U.S. law, is nonetheless likely to trigger intense criticism from privacy advocates.

Financial institutions that operate in the United States are required by law to file reports of "suspicious customer activity," such as large money transfers or unusually structured bank accounts, to Treasury's Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN).

The Federal Bureau of Investigation already has full access to the database. However, intelligence agencies, such as the Central Intelligence Agency and the National Security Agency, currently have to make case-by-case requests for information to FinCEN.

The Treasury plan would give spy agencies the ability to analyze more raw financial data than they have ever had before, helping them look for patterns that could reveal attack plots or criminal schemes.

The planning document, dated March 4, shows that the proposal is still in its early stages of development, and it is not known when implementation might begin.

Financial institutions file more than 15 million "suspicious activity reports" every year, according to Treasury. Banks, for instance, are required to report all personal cash transactions exceeding $10,000, as well as suspected incidents of money laundering, loan fraud, computer hacking or counterfeiting.

"For these reports to be of value in detecting money laundering, they must be accessible to law enforcement, counter-terrorism agencies, financial regulators, and the intelligence community," said the Treasury planning document.

A Treasury spokesperson said U.S. law permits FinCEN to share information with intelligence agencies to help detect and thwart threats to national security, provided they adhere to safeguards outlined in the Bank Secrecy Act. "Law enforcement and intelligence community members with access to this information are bound by these safeguards," the spokesperson said in a statement.

Some privacy watchdogs expressed concern about the plan when Reuters outlined it to them.

A move like the FinCEN proposal "raises concerns as to whether people could find their information in a file as a potential terrorist suspect without having the appropriate predicate for that and find themselves potentially falsely accused," said Sharon Bradford Franklin, senior counsel for the Rule of Law Program at the Constitution Project, a non-profit watchdog group.

Despite these concerns, legal experts emphasize that this sharing of data is permissible under U.S. law. Specifically, banks' suspicious activity reporting requirements are dictated by a combination of the Bank Secrecy Act and the USA PATRIOT Act, which offer some privacy safeguards.

National security experts also maintain that a robust system for sharing criminal, financial and intelligence data among agencies will improve their ability to identify those who plan attacks on the United States.

"It's a war on money, war on corruption, on politically exposed persons, anti-money laundering, organized crime," said Amit Kumar, who advised the United Nations on Taliban sanctions and is a fellow at the Democratic think tank Center for National Policy.

SUSPICIOUS ACTIVITY

The Treasury document outlines a proposal to link the FinCEN database with a computer network used by U.S. defense and law enforcement agencies to share classified information called the Joint Worldwide Intelligence Communications System.

The plan calls for the Office of the Director of National Intelligence - set up after 9/11 to foster greater collaboration among intelligence agencies - to work with Treasury. The Director of National Intelligence declined to comment.

More than 25,000 financial firms - including banks, securities dealers, casinos, and money and wire transfer agencies - routinely file "suspicious activity reports" to FinCEN. The requirements for filing are so strict that banks often over-report, so they cannot be accused of failing to disclose activity that later proves questionable. This over-reporting raises the possibility that the financial details of ordinary citizens could wind up in the hands of spy agencies.

Stephen Vladeck, a professor at American University's Washington College of Law, said privacy advocates have already been pushing back against the increased data-sharing activities between government agencies that followed the September 11 attacks.

"One of the real pushes from the civil liberties community has been to move away from collection restrictions on the front end and put more limits on what the government can do once it has the information," he said.

(Reporting by Emily Flitter in New York, Stella Dawson and Mark Hosenball in Washington; Editing by Tiffany Wu and Leslie Gevirtz)

Toyman01
Toyman01 GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
3/13/13 5:01 p.m.

And to think people wonder why I pay cash for most things.

Big brother just keeps getting bigger.

GameboyRMH
GameboyRMH GRM+ Memberand UltimaDork
3/13/13 5:09 p.m.

Sounds like they're just "streamlining" (getting all those pesky checks and balances out of the way of) what they already do...should save on rubber stamp wear & tear.

coolusername
coolusername Reader
3/13/13 5:20 p.m.

as Gomer use to say....SUPRISE SUPRISE SUPRISE, one step closer to Uncle O's, One World Goverment and he is sitting on the throne..how is that whole hopie changie thing working for you???

Kenny_McCormic
Kenny_McCormic Dork
3/13/13 5:35 p.m.

You know, for all the talking about undoing the crap the neocons pulled off, the current guy sure likes to perpetuate a lot of it.

Toyman01
Toyman01 GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
3/13/13 5:38 p.m.
Kenny_McCormic wrote: You know, for all the talking about undoing the crap the neocons pulled off, the current guy sure likes to expand a lot of it.

FTFY

And with that, I'm done in here. It's going to go down hill fast.

aircooled
aircooled PowerDork
3/13/13 5:41 p.m.

HappyAndy
HappyAndy Dork
3/13/13 5:44 p.m.

I can't see any of the other executive front runners doing it much differently ...

....and in before lock....

Curmudgeon
Curmudgeon MegaDork
3/13/13 5:55 p.m.

And everybody squealed about Dubya/Patriot Act.

dankspeed
dankspeed Reader
3/13/13 6:01 p.m.
Toyman01 wrote:
Kenny_McCormic wrote: You know, for all the talking about undoing the crap the neocons pulled off, the current guy sure likes to expand a lot of it.
FTFY And with that, I'm done in here. It's going to go down hill fast.

QFT!

wbjones
wbjones UberDork
3/13/13 6:36 p.m.
Curmudgeon wrote: And everybody squealed about Dubya/Patriot Act.

yep ... IBTL

z31maniac
z31maniac PowerDork
3/13/13 7:19 p.m.
Toyman01 wrote: And to think people wonder why I pay cash for most things. Big brother just keeps getting bigger.

Curious, don't you install automatic doors for businesses and such?

If so, they pay you cash? Or do you deposit checks then withdraw cash? Or?

There are only a few legal trades I can think of end up with decent amounts of cash on a regular basis that aren't "Tracked".

Giant Purple Snorklewacker
Giant Purple Snorklewacker MegaDork
3/13/13 7:26 p.m.
Curmudgeon wrote: And everybody squealed about Dubya/Patriot Act.

No they did not. They rolled over and took it. That is why it's still there.

IBTL!

Curmudgeon
Curmudgeon MegaDork
3/13/13 7:30 p.m.
Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote:
Curmudgeon wrote: And everybody squealed about Dubya/Patriot Act.
No they did not. They rolled over and took it. That is why it's still there. IBTL!

Thank you,

Beer Baron
Beer Baron PowerDork
3/13/13 7:46 p.m.

Reading the details, it does not appear that any new data is being gathered. Rather, data already gathered for the FBI to track suspicious activity will get shared with other law enforcement agencies.

And only paying cash does not keep you out of scrutiny. Cash payments over $10k are one thing looked at. So if you regularly make withdrawals to buy nice cars cars private party, they may be data points.

Toyman01
Toyman01 GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
3/13/13 7:46 p.m.

To Z31,

All my business transactions are on the books. I get paid by check, credit card, or direct deposit. It's noted in quickbooks and my accountant tells me how much to write the checks for and which government agency to send them to every month. A cash business in this day and age is just asking for an audit. I don't necessary like it, but them's the rules.

I do a fairly large amount of my in person shopping in cash. In the last 6 months I've bought enough weird stuff to be listed on countless databases.

So Mr. Toyman, why did you purchase a RC helicopter, pipe fittings and two pounds of black powder? Who are your contacts. Do you have any affiliations with...

To put it another way, I don't trust the people in charge anymore. They are on a witch hunt, and the only way they can justify their jobs is to catch someone, anyone infact.

Even money says at least one sentence in this post is digging it's way through a supercomputer somewhere.

No tinfoil hat here yet, but I get closer to buying one every time I watch the news. One day we will wake up and realize that the "free" America is gone.

Toyman01
Toyman01 GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
3/13/13 7:48 p.m.

Damn! Sucked in again.

oldtin
oldtin UltraDork
3/13/13 8:32 p.m.

novaderrik
novaderrik UberDork
3/13/13 8:44 p.m.

i don't have any accounts.. no loans.. everything is done with cash.. the only way they can track me is when i cash my paycheck every 2 weeks at Wal Mart and by all the cameras they have everywhere.. also, my cell phone and the Onstar box that i have in the trunk of my 01 Grand Prix- i unhooked the antenna, but something tells me that's just too damn simple..

poopshovel
poopshovel UltimaDork
3/13/13 9:40 p.m.

I like Bob Costas.

racerfink
racerfink SuperDork
3/14/13 2:49 a.m.

I can't see how having your financial information in the hands/computer data bases of more people is a good thing.

novaderrik
novaderrik UberDork
3/14/13 3:35 a.m.
racerfink wrote: I can't see how having your financial information in the hands/computer data bases of more people is a good thing.

they are the government.. they are here to help.

foxtrapper
foxtrapper PowerDork
3/14/13 6:38 a.m.

I'm pretty sure this is well after the camels nose. The whole interagency free transfer of data and information was emplaced some years ago. Under the Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act of 2004 (IRTPA) as I recall.

N Sperlo
N Sperlo UltimaDork
3/14/13 7:11 a.m.
poopshovel wrote: I like Bob Costas.

In that case, happy Pi day.

IBL

yamaha
yamaha UltraDork
3/14/13 9:49 a.m.

I swear, if I ever win the lotto.....I WILL troll this system so that I waste their time. It'll be my own personal sport, like Dick Cheney's sport of shooting people, or Nixon saying he isn't a crook.

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