How do you respond?......

Generally, if somebody is reasonable to me, they get reasonable back.

Maybe the tailpipe is upwind of somebody's fresh air intake, or a baby is sleeping nearby. Not every situation is a conflict needing to escalate.

If you have a diesel truck and someone comes up to you about warming it up in the morning and acts like a complete tool, you could always generously give the offer of "I could put it into high idle if you want. It would warm up faster, but be a lot louder." I know several people who have used that to great success.

I often wonder what the compunction is for leaving a parked vehicle running. If I pull up at basketball practice to pick up my son there are people sitting there for 5 to 30 minutes with cars running the whole time. Now, I get it when the temps are cold enough to make it uncomfortable or even dangerous in just a few minutes but otherwise... it's just being lazy and wasteful, right?

What the berkeley is so difficult about shutting off your engine? Hurts nobody. Go inside and wait. Oh, but you're parked in a no parking no standing no stopping zone? Then move.
And if you check most laws governing idling allow for refrigerated trucks, vehicles with ptos like tow trucks, or the need for the young or elderly. Otherwise shut the berkeleyer off. I'm sorry, it's your god given right to waste resources and pollute unnecessarily? Geez, lighten up.

There is a subtle difference between telling and asking that illicits a different response from me. My earlier reply was how I would respond to the third encounter with the demanding attitude. For the record, no one has ever caught me idiling for an extended period.

It depends on self-awareness. If you drive an obnoxiously loud vehicle, then I would think after the 3rd time you'd get the hint that maybe your vehicle is loud enough to piss people off, and they have a right to want to silence your obnoxiousness.

If you're vehicle is no louder than the others, then it's a different story.

When I drive loud or obnoxious vehicle I prefer to stay under the radar as much as possible.

vwcorvette wrote: What the berkeley is so difficult about shutting off your engine? Hurts nobody. Go inside and wait. Oh, but you're parked in a no parking no standing no stopping zone? Then move. And if you check most laws governing idling allow for refrigerated trucks, vehicles with ptos like tow trucks, or the need for the young or elderly. Otherwise shut the berkeleyer off. I'm sorry, it's your god given right to waste resources and pollute unnecessarily? Geez, lighten up.

Actually it is my god given right to purchase fuel and use it any legal way I choose. You should go back and reread my post. You sound like the dick who banged on my window actually.

And for the record it is a quiet late model diesel with an excellent exhaust system. Its not loud.

In reply to bearmtnmartin:

Legal. Sure, but in many communities idling is illegal. Do you know about yours?

bearmtnmartin wrote: Actually it is my god given right to purchase fuel and use it any legal way I choose.

I'm not telling you what to do with your fuel and you are certainly free to burn it as you see fit. But, it's also the god (may his noodley appendage touch you) given right of others to ask you not to. It probably doesn't say whether or not they have to be polite about it but you are in Canada so... it might. You should look into that.

God has nothing to do with the egos and attitudes of man. I stand outside and do bus duty at school on occasion. People are inconsiderate and need to be reminded that there are others they may be affecting that they never thought about. Again, it harms no one to shut off an engine, but all benefit from it. And check the owners manual or manufacturers websites regarding idling and engine and drivetrain longevity. You might be surprised. My reaction this morning came before I had breakfast and was cranky. Sorry to have offended anyone. Peace!

I'm so darn cheap that sitting somewhere and letting me vehicle idle while I (inevitably) wait for a kid to come out to the car never really crosses my mind as something to do, barring supremely cold temps ....

My feet got cold so I'm idling right now. I will post the results, if any.

Lots of internet tough guys in here.

Looks like it is illegal to idle in Vancouver:

Idling regulations: Under section 2.7 of the City of Vancouver's Motor Vehicle Noise and Emission Abatement Bylaw 9344, it is illegal to idle a vehicle: For more than three consecutive minutes in a 60-minute period, or While unattended and unlocked

Sorry. Can't help you. You need to operate your vehicle in accordance with local laws.

Looks like more than 3 minutes is illegal.

And all of the armchair legislators on GRM can't change that.

SVreX wrote: Looks like it is illegal to idle in Vancouver:

Idling regulations: Under section 2.7 of the City of Vancouver's Motor Vehicle Noise and Emission Abatement Bylaw 9344, it is illegal to idle a vehicle: For more than three consecutive minutes in a 60-minute period, or While unattended and unlocked

Sorry. Can't help you. You need to operate your vehicle in accordance with local laws. Looks like more than 3 minutes is illegal. And all of the armchair legislators on GRM can't change that.

In Vancouver is it the general publics duty to enforce the laws?

I'm not a tough guy, just cheap. My wife will vouch for my cheapness

SVreX wrote: Looks like it is illegal to idle in Vancouver:

Idling regulations: Under section 2.7 of the City of Vancouver's Motor Vehicle Noise and Emission Abatement Bylaw 9344, it is illegal to idle a vehicle: For more than three consecutive minutes in a 60-minute period, or While unattended and unlocked

Sorry. Can't help you. You need to operate your vehicle in accordance with local laws. Looks like more than 3 minutes is illegal. And all of the armchair legislators on GRM can't change that.

I may have been bumping up against two minutes, but not more. Here is the story for your edification. My kid was at a water polo tournament. We had a break and left the pool. We came back for a game and he ran in to get changed while I parked and paid for parking. I pulled into a spot and he texted me to say he missed the game because he got the time wrong. I texted him to come back out before I paid for parking. I backed out of my spot and drove round to the pick up and drop off area (5 minute max) and waited for him. I was accosted almost immediately by mr. Dickhead. Then my kid came out and we left. Start to finish including our little pissing match was maybe 3 minutes.

In reply to bearmtnmartin:

How do they keep the horses from E36 M3ting in the pool?

In reply to Huckleberry:

We have a class of people that grew up thinking the authority they had as hall monitor stayed with them in adulthood. I meet them all day because they confuse my having a badge with having some sort of power. They feel the need to step in whenever a crime is being committed. Wherever someone is idling a car, feeding a pigeon, or using a handicap toilet without looking crippled these folks are there to tell them they are wrong and report them to the "Authorities". The seem oddly silent though when they see an actual crime like a mugging or a robbery. I blame it on fisticuffs falling out of favor.

Nick (Bo) Comstock wrote:

SVreX wrote: Looks like it is illegal to idle in Vancouver:

Idling regulations: Under section 2.7 of the City of Vancouver's Motor Vehicle Noise and Emission Abatement Bylaw 9344, it is illegal to idle a vehicle: For more than three consecutive minutes in a 60-minute period, or While unattended and unlocked

Sorry. Can't help you. You need to operate your vehicle in accordance with local laws. Looks like more than 3 minutes is illegal. And all of the armchair legislators on GRM can't change that.

In Vancouver is it the general publics duty to enforce the laws?

Wow. I Not sure I've ever disagreed with anything more.

Of course it is the general public's responsibility. We vote for the leaders, we write the laws. Our attitude about authority defines the culture in which we live.

Let's see... by your logic, some azzhat drags a woman behind a dumpster, and I'm supposed to stand around and wait for a cop to show up? Or maybe I should not care when someone bodily drags a child into a car, or leaves the scene after running over an infant. Not my job. What a crock.

I'm sure glad the passengers of flight 93 disagreed with you.

I certainly understand a minor traffic violation is a completely different animal, but society only works when we work at creating society.

I see nothing wrong with a respectful tap on the window to remind a driver of the local laws. The obnoxious, vindictictive, and sometimes illegal suggestions in this thread are out of line.

Bearmtn, I don't think you are wrong- just got to take things in balance. But 2 pages worth of responses when no one knew the local ordinances is not good at all.

In reply to SVreX:

I'm just saying if I'm in an ally stabbing a person and a regular person shows up, I'm not going to pay attention to them and would likely have another person to stab. However, that's not the case if a police officer shows up. I know it's illegal to stab someone, but if I had that in mind to do, only a police officer would really be able to stop me.

In reply to Nick (Bo) Comstock:

I'd take that bet. Go ahead and stab me, but you might have to do it while I rip your arm off.

Let's see... by your logic, some azzhat drags a woman behind a dumpster, and I'm supposed to stand around and wait for a cop to show up? Or maybe I should not care when someone bodily drags a child into a car, or leaves the scene after running over an infant. Not my job. What a crock. I'm sure glad the passengers of flight 93 disagreed with you. I certainly understand a minor traffic violation is a completely different animal, but society only works when we work at creating society.

LOL.

Using extreme examples of murder, rape, terror and infanticide in a discussion about whether some Canadians were polite to each other then in the next paragraph quietly saying that analogy makes no sense. If you are not careful Trump might apoint you to be Minister of Consistency.

EDIT: IBTL!

In reply to SVreX:

Fueled by Caffeine wrote: Lots of internet tough guys in here.