93EXCivic wrote:Marjorie Suddard wrote: Not only is the spelling terrible, but that is the most unhealthy list of food I've ever seen. MargieI have seen a more unhealthy list (college FTW)
Oh college...the days when a bag of flamin hot cheetos, beef jerky, and a 40 oz constituted dinner.
The perfect college dinner for two is an extra-large supreme pizza and two pitchers of beer.
One dinner in college consisted of 2 snickers, a can of nacho cheese, and a 12 pack of fosters.. YUM.
You people were rich in college. I had to rely on ramen noodles and whatever bar was having 99 cent pitcher night.
Ignorant wrote: I agree, but Walmart likes to take the money, build a store and run to the next town. Or... If the town doesn't pony up with big enough tax incentives, they move just outside the city limits so the city doesn't get the tax revenue from the sales. Illegal? no. On the borders of Unethical.. Yup.
Happened in a town about 100 miles from here - the city wouldn't pony up, so they built the store literally on the other side of the street that was the border for city limits.
Not illegal, but not ethically right, and definitely a E36 M3ty thing to do.
It is all relative, I suppose. If I could build a house on either side of a street with one side costing $150K and the other side costing $200K...
These tax incentives are built into business development plans. A development department of any company would be stupid to ignore the possibility of tax effects because their competitors sure won't.
1988RedT2 wrote: Wal-Mart has put a lot of hard-working, small entrepreneurs and family businesses out of business.
You know, I really don't miss their high prices or limited selection. I do wonder how the list writer combined (what I assume is ) weiners with hot dog buns? Why not weiner buns?
pinchvalve wrote:1988RedT2 wrote: Wal-Mart has put a lot of hard-working, small entrepreneurs and family businesses out of business.You know, I really don't miss their high prices or limited selection. I do wonder how the list writer combined (what I assume is ) weiners with hot dog buns? Why not weiner buns?
Not sure about the weinerbuns. But I must disagree on the "limited selection" remark. Wal-Mart puts specialty retailers out of business by offering maybe half of their items, the most common ones, at lower prices. What the community then loses is the ability to buy less common items that the specialty shop carried as a service to their customers.
I can't count the times I've looked for a specific item in a big box store, only to find that no one carries it and I have to place the order online and wait a week to get it.
dinger wrote:Ignorant wrote: I agree, but Walmart likes to take the money, build a store and run to the next town. Or... If the town doesn't pony up with big enough tax incentives, they move just outside the city limits so the city doesn't get the tax revenue from the sales. Illegal? no. On the borders of Unethical.. Yup.Happened in a town about 100 miles from here - the city wouldn't pony up, so they built the store literally on the other side of the street that was the border for city limits. Not illegal, but not ethically right, and definitely a E36 M3ty thing to do.
Then the city needs to annex that property and get the lost taxes back. Seen that happen MANY times before to other businesses.
1988RedT2 wrote:pinchvalve wrote:Not sure about the weinerbuns. But I must disagree on the "limited selection" remark. Wal-Mart puts specialty retailers out of business by offering maybe half of their items, the most common ones, at lower prices. What the community then loses is the ability to buy less common items that the specialty shop carried as a service to their customers. I can't count the times I've looked for a specific item in a big box store, only to find that no one carries it and I have to place the order online and wait a week to get it.1988RedT2 wrote: Wal-Mart has put a lot of hard-working, small entrepreneurs and family businesses out of business.You know, I really don't miss their high prices or limited selection. I do wonder how the list writer combined (what I assume is ) weiners with hot dog buns? Why not weiner buns?
Or they carry all of selections, then start pruning back on the selections and soon after the competition closes, quits carrying it period. Or start offering odd sizes that don't directly correlate to another store. Case in point, last week Food City had Domino 4# of sugar was on sale for 2/$4. WalMart would NOT price match only because the ad pictured a BAG and not the TUB they carry. Comeon it is 4 motherberkeleying pounds of sugar!
So to explain my position, Walmart sucks.
Matt B wrote: The problem isn't the tax-credits themselves. It's the dishonest way in which they are negotiated.
Cite proof or go home. You are spreading internet rumours instead of facts.
I agree, but Walmart likes to take the money, build a store and run to the next town. Or... If the town doesn't pony up with big enough tax incentives, they move just outside the city limits so the city doesn't get the tax revenue from the sales. Illegal? no. On the borders of Unethical.. Yup.
You only get a tax credit if you file taxes which means you've built a store there. It's not like they get upfront cash and the vanish in the night.
Maybe they also build a store in another town, but what's wrong with that? Are you trying to say there can only be one Walmart because they got a tax credit?
dinger wrote:Ignorant wrote: I agree, but Walmart likes to take the money, build a store and run to the next town. Or... If the town doesn't pony up with big enough tax incentives, they move just outside the city limits so the city doesn't get the tax revenue from the sales. Illegal? no. On the borders of Unethical.. Yup.Happened in a town about 100 miles from here - the city wouldn't pony up, so they built the store literally on the other side of the street that was the border for city limits. Not illegal, but not ethically right, and definitely a E36 M3ty thing to do.
Why is that not ethically right?
If you could build 2 houses and it would cost you half the price to build it across the street wouldn't you do that? If all other things were equal and you didn't you'd be stooopid.
carguy123 wrote: Why is that not ethically right?
I said it borders on unethical, because they exercise the town government to get see what tax incentives they will get etc.. Then when they decided that is not enough they move.
Technically it's not unethical... But man.. something about it stinks.
carguy123 wrote:I agree, but Walmart likes to take the money, build a store and run to the next town. Or... If the town doesn't pony up with big enough tax incentives, they move just outside the city limits so the city doesn't get the tax revenue from the sales. Illegal? no. On the borders of Unethical.. Yup.You only get a tax credit if you file taxes which means you've built a store there. It's not like they get upfront cash and the vanish in the night. Maybe they also build a store in another town, but what's wrong with that? Are you trying to say there can only be one Walmart because they got a tax credit?
You do have a point and technically I mispoke.. What I meant to comment on is their agressive habit of moving underperforming stores. If they get tons of
I know how good this is from a corporate perspective, trust me on this, I've closed my share of unerperforming stuff.. But the town suffers big time because of the lost jobs, tax revenue, and street improvements they've paid for that go nowhere. In may of 2000, there was 25Msqft of Walmarts that were empty. It has only gone up since there. How do you sell a walmart?
Ignorant wrote:carguy123 wrote: Why is that not ethically right?I said it borders on unethical, because they exercise the town government to get see what tax incentives they will get etc.. Then when they decided that is not enough they move. Technically it's not unethical... But man.. something about it stinks.
Talk to your elected officials, they are to blame not Walmart
Ignorant wrote:carguy123 wrote:You do have a point and technically I mispoke.. What I meant to comment on is their agressive habit of moving underperforming stores. If they get tons of I know how good this is from a corporate perspective, trust me on this, I've closed my share of unerperforming stuff.. But the town suffers big time because of the lost jobs, tax revenue, and street improvements they've paid for that go nowhere. In may of 2000, there was 25Msqft of Walmarts that were empty. It has only gone up since there. How do you sell a walmart?I agree, but Walmart likes to take the money, build a store and run to the next town. Or... If the town doesn't pony up with big enough tax incentives, they move just outside the city limits so the city doesn't get the tax revenue from the sales. Illegal? no. On the borders of Unethical.. Yup.You only get a tax credit if you file taxes which means you've built a store there. It's not like they get upfront cash and the vanish in the night. Maybe they also build a store in another town, but what's wrong with that? Are you trying to say there can only be one Walmart because they got a tax credit?
That's a totally different thing altogether. Yeah, but what I hate is when Target, Walmart, etc. find it more cost effective to build a bigger Superwhatever and then close the old profitable store. Inevitably the old store is the one that's convenient to me.
Actually it's not all that hard to sell a Walmart. I have a friend who makes a very good living selling those big box stores. There are a lot of big boxes empty right now just due to Best Buy and a couple of others who've bit the dust. Just watch an empty store near you for a new Hobby Lobby or it's ilk coming near you.
We've got a new Pizza place that's moved into one of those empty big boxes. Pizza, movies, games and Laser Tag. That's not too bad in my book.
From one man's adversity comes another's opportunity.
carguy123 wrote: Actually it's not all that hard to sell a Walmart.
I dunno. I watched one sit empty in West Ashley, SC for 3 years when I was down there. The location wasn't bad either.
Anyways, check out the walmart movie. Interesting stuff.. I won't fully argue against them, because I shop there and admire many things they are doing as a corporation.
I think their labor practices are shady, but they've mostly been caught by the law for the real bad stuff.
Not wanting to pay for something I don't receive has nothing to do with ethics. I have 2 kids in the food industry and they agree with me.
What exactly do they do in the food industry?
In reply to Datsun1500:
Well I'm a bad tipper if that means anything. My wife does the tipping for me.
One is the executive chef for a small chain of upscale eateries, the other is a waitress to supplement her regular income.
They've worked in the industry for 12 years.
Walmart is trying to come to my town with one of their super mega stores that sells everything. EVERYBODY is fighting it..
carguy123 wrote: One is the executive chef for a small chain of upscale eateries
Bahahahahaha, of course he doesn't expect tips, he GETS everyone else's tips (or a cut thereof). 
1988RedT2 wrote: Not sure about the weinerbuns. But I must disagree on the "limited selection" remark. Wal-Mart puts specialty retailers out of business by offering maybe half of their items, the most common ones, at lower prices. What the community then loses is the ability to buy less common items that the specialty shop carried as a service to their customers. I can't count the times I've looked for a specific item in a big box store, only to find that no one carries it and I have to place the order online and wait a week to get it.
When Wal-Mart moves into a new market, they have a list of 200 common items that they research the local prices on - then undercut, usually taking a loss on these specific items, just to gain market share. They can take a loss on these items due to their size, meaning they can absorb this short term loss to gain market share. After a given amount of time, when they decide they have gained sufficient market share, they bring the prices back up to their normal level, and almost no one notices, because it's Wal-Mart, and "they always have the best prices!!!!OMGWTFBBQ!!!111!!!"
Using your giant size and taking a large short term loss just to gain market share is very anti-competitive in my book.
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