volvoclearinghouse said:
As a do-good-math-man, I get irritated at these memes. Its the bean counters at least as much as the engineers that limit what goes where and what sucks to work on.
In reply to Mr_Asa :
Its 99% not the engineers in these situations. Its the product design team/product ownership (which includes the bean counters).
But they are still fun memes.
In reply to Mr_Asa :
I am an engineer. Nothing pisses me off more than poor engineering. Blaming the bean counters or designers is a cop out. If it's gonna suck, tell them you can't berkeleying do it.
So yeah, I laugh at the engineer jokes. Because truth is funny sometimes.
volvoclearinghouse said:In reply to Mr_Asa :
I am an engineer. Nothing pisses me off more than poor engineering. Blaming the bean counters or designers is a cop out. If it's gonna suck, tell them you can't berkeleying do it.
So yeah, I laugh at the engineer jokes. Because truth is funny sometimes.
You must work at an interesting company. Every single product I have ever designed has had design compromises that were the result of meeting the needs of the product ownership team/whatever you want to call it. Sometimes they are absolutely cringeworthy but there is nothing you can do about it.
I'm not saying poor engineering doesn't happen, it absolutely does.
ProDarwin said:volvoclearinghouse said:In reply to Mr_Asa :
I am an engineer. Nothing pisses me off more than poor engineering. Blaming the bean counters or designers is a cop out. If it's gonna suck, tell them you can't berkeleying do it.
So yeah, I laugh at the engineer jokes. Because truth is funny sometimes.
You must work at an interesting company. Every single product I have ever designed has had design compromises that were the result of meeting the needs of the product ownership team/whatever you want to call it. Sometimes they are absolutely cringeworthy but there is nothing you can do about it.
I'm not saying poor engineering doesn't happen, it absolutely does.
Nope, I work for a very aggressively normal company. But I've also been "doing engineering" for 22 years, everything from a field service engineer, to sales, to design, to manufacturing, to consulting. Learning where you can compromise and where you need to stand your ground is important. Learning how to work with everyone so they respect your input when you tell them something's gonna suck, is important.
Mrs. VCH and I go through this every time there's something that needs to be built, overhauled, or remodeled here at home. She tells me what she wants, and I tell her why it's not feasible. In the end we come up with something that she can live with and that will work functionally.
A mathematician, a physicist, and an engineer are asked to find the volume of a red rubber ball.
The mathemetician carefully measures the ball and puts his measurment into a formula, V = (4/3)πr^3.
The physicist gets a graduated cylinder, fills it with water, submerges the ball and measures how much fluid it displaces.
The engineer pulls out his Standard Red Rubber Ball Specifications card...
volvoclearinghouse said:ProDarwin said:volvoclearinghouse said:In reply to Mr_Asa :
I am an engineer. Nothing pisses me off more than poor engineering. Blaming the bean counters or designers is a cop out. If it's gonna suck, tell them you can't berkeleying do it.
So yeah, I laugh at the engineer jokes. Because truth is funny sometimes.
You must work at an interesting company. Every single product I have ever designed has had design compromises that were the result of meeting the needs of the product ownership team/whatever you want to call it. Sometimes they are absolutely cringeworthy but there is nothing you can do about it.
I'm not saying poor engineering doesn't happen, it absolutely does.
Nope, I work for a very aggressively normal company. But I've also been "doing engineering" for 22 years, everything from a field service engineer, to sales, to design, to manufacturing, to consulting. Learning where you can compromise and where you need to stand your ground is important. Learning how to work with everyone so they respect your input when you tell them something's gonna suck, is important.
I'm with you there, but a lot of the time standing your ground simply doesn't work. In the oil pan example I highly doubt any engineer was like "yeah, we are cool with this". They probably said "this sucks" and the product owners/marketing/company/whatever said "tough E36 M3. we aren't paying for new oil pan tooling or a different shaped swaybar or relocating x or y or z or any more engineering hours. send it."
oops forgot meme
Recon1342 said:Since we're piling on the engineers-
LOL. Yes this is funny, but even more so than cars, this one is 100% on the bean counters and road load limits. As a resident of the great state of Michigan I live this every day. Cross over into Ontario and their roads see the same environmental conditions as we do but their roads are so much better. Same once you enter enemy territory and get south of Toledo, again their roads are much better. We cheap out on our roads and don't maintain them and this is somehow the Engineers fault. It's like getting an F150, putting two tons of gravel in the back and pulling a trailer, then driving 100k miles without changing the oil but blaming the Engineers for the engine eating itself.
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