My vaccine toxins failed to activate

Interesting article on the vaccines 

Still reading through it.

In reply to GameboyRMH :

Couple possibilities there, couple I know it isn't. 
but thank you for not being hostile, like the mods and others have been. 
Just because I disagree with "everyone MUST get it", does not mean I agree with the radicals! (Against or for)

With the national manipulation of statistics, it's very hard to tell, but 80% of the folks I talk to all over the nation (primarily non city folks) have noticed the same as me, and have not seen reduced death rates, either. 
The news says otherwise, but...

In reply to 03Panther :

From the study linked:

Children under 18 are 51 times more likely to die from the mRNA vaccines than from COVID-19 if unvaccinated. Young adults in the age range of 18 to 29 are eight times more likely to die from vaccination than from COVID-19. Adults from 30 to 39 are 7 times more likely to die from vaccination and those aged 40 to 49 are 5 times more likely to die after vaccination. People in the group aged 50 to 59 are still twice as likely to die after vaccination than after COVID-19. Only when over 60 years of age is the chance of death equal for both causes. Even when over 80 years old the likelihood of dying from Covid inoculation is just 0.13% lower than the risk of dying from the infection. The authors concluded that the protection from COVID-19 death falls far short of the risk of dying from the vaccine for people below 50 years old [51].

and this:

Hasan et al. [80] analysed data from the National Health Service published by Public Health England and showed that the death rate due to the Delta variant infection was eight times higher in fully vaccinated than in unvaccinated infected people. The authors suggest that in a subset of individuals the pre-existing anti-S-IgG titre induced by vaccination may be sub-neutralizing and leading to accelerated infectivity via ADE, which is displayed as higher death rates 

I know this isn't popular opinion and all, but this is new information we haven't heard yet. The more we learn, the better we can protect ourselves.  

bobzilla said:

Interesting article on the vaccines 

Still reading through it.

Quick and easy reason to circle-file this study right off the bat: It cites data compiled by an anti-vaccine organization (with no sources behind it to boot), on page 7 for example. To an actual scientist this would amount to pressing the most festive self-destruct button on your career.

Cardiac related death does not sound like a good power. 

GameboyRMH said:

bobzilla said:

Interesting article on the vaccines 

Still reading through it.

Quick and easy reason to circle-file this study right off the bat: It cites data compiled by an anti-vaccine organization (with no sources behind it to boot), on page 7 for example. To an actual scientist this would amount to pressing the most festive self-destruct button on your career.

Ok. At least you're not attacking me over it for once.I'm still reading through. not to the sources yet

bobzilla said:

In reply to 03Panther :

From the study linked:

Children under 18 are 51 times more likely to die from the mRNA vaccines than from COVID-19 if unvaccinated. Young adults in the age range of 18 to 29 are eight times more likely to die from vaccination than from COVID-19. Adults from 30 to 39 are 7 times more likely to die from vaccination and those aged 40 to 49 are 5 times more likely to die after vaccination. People in the group aged 50 to 59 are still twice as likely to die after vaccination than after COVID-19. Only when over 60 years of age is the chance of death equal for both causes. Even when over 80 years old the likelihood of dying from Covid inoculation is just 0.13% lower than the risk of dying from the infection. The authors concluded that the protection from COVID-19 death falls far short of the risk of dying from the vaccine for people below 50 years old [51].

and this:

Hasan et al. [80] analysed data from the National Health Service published by Public Health England and showed that the death rate due to the Delta variant infection was eight times higher in fully vaccinated than in unvaccinated infected people. The authors suggest that in a subset of individuals the pre-existing anti-S-IgG titre induced by vaccination may be sub-neutralizing and leading to accelerated infectivity via ADE, which is displayed as higher death rates 

I know this isn't popular opinion and all, but this is new information we haven't heard yet. The more we learn, the better we can protect ourselves.  

If this were true it would require a global cover-up of one of the leading causes of death globally (ahead of COVID19 which popped into #4 out of nowhere back in the real world). Again that study is clearly bunk citing a tinfoil hat site as a data source, so we should apply more scrutiny to the information we "learn" from.

Lof8 - Andy said:

Cardiac related death does not sound like a good power. 

Aaand all of his peers came down on him like a ton of bricks for this mistake:

https://www.tampabay.com/news/florida-politics/2022/10/10/scientists-question-floridas-advice-against-covid-mrna-vaccines-some-men/

From personal experience, I only know 1 person who had cardiac side-effects (or really uncommon/significant side-effects at all) from a COVID19 vaccine, nothing life-threatening.

GameboyRMH said:

... global cover-up of one of the leading causes of death globally....

Nah.  Couldn't be.

It's interesting there continues to be a debate.

The people vaccinated can't be unvaccinated.  Or unboosted.

And the people unvaccinated are unlikely to change their minds.

So why bother to convince one way or the other?

 

From personal experience, I only know 1 person who had cardiac side-effects (or really uncommon/significant side-effects at all) from a COVID19 vaccine, nothing life-threatening.

Skipping over the study (tldr)

I personally know 4. They died of unidentified heart problems (never a problem before) within two weeks after shots. But the medical report claims that it was unrelated, so statistically, they don't exist. But they do. 
Conversely, I know a few that did not die of covid, but were marked as covid, (pick your own reason, I don't know definitetlivly ) so statically they exist, but don't!

Im not stating reasons or conspiracies (despite having my own opinion) just my personal observations. I have many friends with similar observations. 
 

And again, glad we have remained civil. My thoughts are not to insult anyone, and it's nice to discuss, without being hated on. 

In reply to alfadriver :

Because some people can't stand to be ignored or considered wrong. Even by someone they've never met. 

In reply to alfadriver :

Because some unvaccinated people are still being harassed in many ways, by ... well, that's a longer discussion 

In reply to Toyman! :

I don't think that's what I'm doing. Up till now it seemed like a polite discussion 

In reply to GameboyRMH :

There are 3 pages of cites of studies from around the world. 94 different citations in all. I believe two different Stanford studies. Sorry, I didn't check all 94 before posting. 

alfadriver said:

It's interesting there continues to be a debate.

The people vaccinated can't be unvaccinated.  Or unboosted.

And the people unvaccinated are unlikely to change their minds.

So why bother to convince one way or the other?

Slight chance you could save someone's life. If I'd confronted my uncle more on this, against the rest of the family's wishes, maybe I could've convinced him to get vaccinated in which case he'd most likely still be around today. Some people are merely underinformed or casually misinformed and can change their minds if they're provided with more information and/or their misconceptions are debunked, rather than being irreversibly indoctrinated by disinformation and just digging their heels in against any evidence.

People who have been vaccinated could also be convinced to stop getting booster shots, which is basically like getting un-vaccinated...

03Panther said:

In reply to alfadriver :

Because some unvaccinated people are still being harassed in many ways, by ... well, that's a longer discussion 

This. 

Guys, is another one of these threads really going to make this a better place to hang out? Locking this for our own sanity.