Not to start a E36 M3 storm

wbjones wrote: on a lighter note can anyone guess what a pot smoker thinks the greatest automotive invention is ?

Carburetor float scale.

Alcohol's legal, tobacco's legal (<-- extremely addictive), why not pot?

Me thinks the potheads are too busy giggling and watching South Park to get a bill passed.

If your wife does even a half-hearted attempt at research she will find plenty of info on this topic. I did a series of persuasive speeches for a speech class in college about 5-6 years ago.

Medical use, rates of teens who had tried and still use drugs vs where it's legal, missing tax revenue etc.

And for the love of all that is holy, why can no one in modern times seem to see what banning a substance causes? Prohibition fueled the rise of organized and provided lots of capital. How many tens of billions of dollars would be taken out of the hands of organized crime if pot were legal?

In reply to z31maniac:

Like the first post stated, we've done a crapload of research, yes I've helped, well, a coworker of mine helped, I mentioned it at work one day and next day he show's up with a BUNCH of documentaries, and a list of sources to check out. I just thought I would ask the opinions on here, as like I said, I've got access to a whole range of lifestyles and education levels on here, why not ask and if anyone wants to chime in they can.

Sorry that didn't come off how I intended!

We should defer to stoptheeconobox/beaterworld for the answers to this, as he is apparently the resident expert on the effects of large doses of weed.

Given the rate at which the aforementioned person posts I would lean towards a substance with more uh, kick than THC, DMT is more like it.

LOL no worries z31maniac, none. I was a bit tired last night when I posted that, I apologize myself for how I responded to it.

One of the more recent new items is a review to reclassify pot as to what schedule of drug it is.

The fact that pot is a schedule 1 drug is INSANE:

(1) Schedule I.:

(A) The drug or other substance has a high potential for abuse.

(B) The drug or other substance has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States.

(C) There is a lack of accepted safety for use of the drug or other substance under medical supervision."

Is it just me, or does that sound like a perfect description for tobacco? Seems like pot should be a schedule IV or V

Spinout007 wrote: wbjones Even if you have a script for the cannibus, you're more than likely screwed. That's one of the big arguments in California and other places where it's been legalized, the DEA comes in and raids a dispensary, shuts it down temporarily and within a short time they're back up and running again as the state refuses to push any charges, while the DEA and the Feds are trying to prosecute. Even if they don't legalize it in every state, if they decriminalized it federally, the gubmint could save a ton when it comes to trying to prosecute cannibus related "crimes" in those states who have legalized it. Being a Federally "controlled" facility, the fed laws would likely take precidence. sp? Mr. Joshua It's really funny as Florida is trying to work out their own medical use law as we type. xd I'm of the opinion that the dispensaries need to be regulated along the same lines as liquor licenses. I don't know about other states but here in Florida in order to get a liquor license you pay a retainer and your name goes into a lottery system, when one establishment goes down the license goes back into the lottery system and the next name is drawn. It would cut down on the number of establishments in one area, or at least cap them. Thanks again guys, keep it coming, those of you that don't want to comment openly here are more than welcome to pm or email me. Just a tidbit to throw more fuel on the fire. In the year 2007, 847,863 arrests were made just involving cannibus, imagine the final bill on those arrests when you take into consideration the paychecks of the officers involved, the training hours, the prosecuting attorney's paychecks, the defense lawyers paychecks, even if they're not public defenders, the judges paychecks, and that's not counting the fuel costs to run the cars, helicopters, boats, atv's, etc. Imagine what that money could be put towards.

The fact that we still have prohibition is absolutely insane to me. On top of the arrests, boats, cop salaries, etc., there is a huge human cost. Just because the majority of the human cost is south of the border, doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

Here's a good one for your wife to look up/good approach for a pro-decriminilizatiion standpoint: I've read/heard/the markup on marijuana is X,000 percent. Makes sense when you think about it. Even the high-dollar setup, high-quality growers get insane profit. Remove the profit, and you remove the need to kill for territory, burn down your competitors setup, etc. Bad for the dealers, good for the smoker and non-smoker alike.

It makes good sense, and I've never heard a LOGICAL argument from a liberty-loving American to the contrary.

Obviously, driving under the influence (while nowhere NEAR as dangerous as driving under the influence of alcohol) should be punished. minimum age requirements should be set, etc.

My wife did her presentation today, went well enough she pretty sure she still has her A in the class.

I agree Poop, prohibition is nuts. In one documentary we watched about the subject, it was stated that the grower, with a fairly small operation grossed 20k in profit every 2 months. 20K in TWO months? I'm in the wrong biz, and his wasn't even an efficient operation, I looked at what was shown in the video and was like, "Dude you should be able to do that once a month, if done right" Take away the illegality of it, and the profit goes WAY down, not as many risks, no need to pay as much, not as much rush to push for territory. Nuts man, just nuts.

Dr. Hess wrote: And hey, all you kids that voted for The O. Did he legalize pot? How's that hopey-changy thing working out for you?

You're right. There is no hope, there can be no change. To anything, ever. Thank god for carbs, live axles, and lucas electronics. Let's not forget about the totally awesome swing arm rear suspension. In fact, I'm going to write a check to my local republican organization so we can start stoning people to death in the town square again. You know, family values gee-dee it!

back on topic - Glad you wife did well in the class.

Kramer wrote:

wbjones wrote: on a lighter note can anyone guess what a pot smoker thinks the greatest automotive invention is ?

Carburetor float scale.

cruse control..

MrJoshua wrote: All I know is we have an interesting batch of conflicting trends in laws lately. On one hand "Smoking is evil and bad and no one should be allowed to do it anywhere because it hurts the baby jesus and all of his flock." So its slowly getting outlawed everywhere. On the other hand, "Pot isn't that bad, I mean really, so what, all they do is eat lots of pizza and laugh, and its really good for stress, and its a plant so it cant be bad for you right?" And pot is gradually being legalized everywhere. Interesting.

Yes, smoking 20 joints a day is probably as bad for you as a pack of smokes a day. But yeah, I see what you're saying. Interesting contradiction.

Of course the trend to demonize smoking may be a problem for pot. Pot if very unlikely to be a gateway drug to harder drugs, but I suspect it is a pretty good gateway to smoking cigarettes! That could be it's downfall.