Stop calling them phones. They are tracking devices.

Collecting the information in accordance with the contract provisions is different than having the police use it at will to track the whereabouts of any citizen.

NY Times article on abuse of unwarranted access to cell phone records

CNN Article on ACLU's position

Looks like it is over 50%. It is routine, and wrong.

The Supreme Court has ruled that a GPS placed on a suspect's car is unreasonable search. So, you guys think a GPS placed on a citizen's person (who is not a suspect) is not a problem??

Again, the issue is not that we are buying a service willingly and abiding by the contract voluntarily. The issue is the police are using the information ILLEGALLY.

NGTD wrote: How many of you have loyalty cards like Air Miles, etc.? You give up a E36 M3 load of private information everytime you use one of those things. You give it up to private companies too - not to bodies that are restricted to what they can use it for.

Most people don't realize that the sole purpose of loyalty cards is for tracking your behaviour, and using/selling that information to get you to buy more stuff.

There was a murder case here recently where the cops used a guys cell info (location, not calls) to prove that he was in the areas involved.

Fueled by Caffeine wrote:

novaderrik wrote:

Keith wrote: It's there so they can find you when you call 911

yeah, and that's all they will ever use it for.. they did the Scout salute and swore on their grandmama's grave when they made that promise.

Hey you signed a contract...

No, I didnt

Curmudgeon wrote: So what are you gonna do? Level the entire government, eliminate the credit card companies, turn off the Internet, etc etc etc?

where is my mind

In reply to 4cylndrfury:

You met me at a very strange time in my life.

Whats that smell? sniff

SVreX wrote: The Supreme Court has ruled that a GPS placed on a suspect's car is unreasonable search. So, you guys think a GPS placed on a citizen's person (who is not a suspect) is not a problem??

Well, I have to imagine the Court decision was referring to placing a GPS on someone's car without their knowledge, so yeah, that's different from carrying around a cell phone with has a GPS and the customer knows about it. Heck, a friend of mine volunteered to put a GPS/OBD2 tracker on his car from his insurance company so they'd give him a lower rate. I wouldn't do that, but clearly it's legal, as long as you know about it.

Again, the issue is not that we are buying a service willingly and abiding by the contract voluntarily. The issue is the police are using the information ILLEGALLY.

Agreed, but that's a different issue. Cops using illegally obtained information is not new and is something we should all be vigilant about. But it's not limited to cell phone records.

If the cops tracked me, they would think "poor guy. Why is he running around so much? When does he ever get a break? Glad I'm not that schmuck."

In reply to Tom_Spangler:

This is not limited to GPS. Carriers store position info either by tower triangulation or GPS. There is no reason for them to do this. They need it to route calls at a point in time and after the call the data is just a record that should be deleted. There is no reason to store it other than to use it for their own purposes. It does not benefit the paying customer at all and I bet a lot of people think if they turn off the GPS then their movements are private.

It is not just movement - like has been pointed out in many cases above... every app is like a little data mining package keeping track of specialized data for it's authors. Every barcode you scan, every time you use google voice it goes to the server with that speech. Every text you send, everything.

If you need a smart phone for work you cannot opt out of this - you can do quite a bit if you know how and root your phone and don't give a E36 M3 about how it says you can't in the terms of service but for 99% of people there is no user controlled firewall and there is no "Do not track" button.

That is where I take umbrage.

In death, a member of project mayhem has a name, his name is Robert Paulsen.

along a long enough timeline, the survival rate of everyone is zero

You can swallow a pint of blood before you get sick.

I Am Jack's Raging Bile Duct

The people youre chasing are the people you depend on. We cook your meals, haul your trash, we connect your calls, drive your ambulances...we guard you while you sleep.

Do not berk with us.

Now, a question of etiquette - as I pass, do I give you the ass or the crotch?

So when the snooty cat, and the courageous dog, with the celebrity voices meet for the first time in reel three, that's when you'll catch a flash of Tyler's contribution to the film

With a gun barrel between your teeth, you speak only in vowels.

N Sperlo wrote: With a gun barrel between your teeth, you speak only in vowels.

I totally forgot about Tyler's whole controlled demolition thing and I wonder how clean that gun is

In reply to Giant Purple Snorklewacker:

Why? What do you do with your guns?