Today I learned about thirdhand smoke.

ebonyandivory wrote: I just dislocated my thumb scrolling down the last few posts.

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I used to work with a guy who could hardly go half an hour without a smoke, and he smoked the heavy stuff. You could tell when he was about to ask for a smoke break because he'd get "the shakes." And he could bring second-hand smoke into a room without smoking - not kidding, here's how: If you were in the same room as him and he coughed, the whole room would instantly stink of cigarettes only smoker I've met with that superpower.

Harvey wrote: I still remember my father choosing to take the first class seat upgrade in the upstairs smoking section of the 747 on a long flight from the east coast to Hawaii back in the 80s and having to endure a guy chain smoking for about 12 hours straight.

I just wanted to quote this and let it be known that you used to be able to SMOKE and USE FIRE ON AN AIRPLANE not that long ago. Crazy how much that has changed!

Yeah this smoking stuff hits close as I have a family member that has serious lung issues from being stuck in small rooms with smokers in the early computer days.

I just don't get the cool part either. How is it cool to stink? Maybe before deodorant was developed it helped. But as long as I lived, smoking just stinks.

I actually never knew, only a few if her friends knew apparently, a girl I was dating smoked until one kiss I guess before her decontamination process and that was it, dating over.

I talk plainly to them if they are not respecting the required distance from the building laws. Not trying to pick a fight or with attitude just hey smoking is allowed across the street from here. Or down the sidewalk that way.

The point of this post was smoking in an enclosed space and the effects left behind.

Smoking outside and vehicle exhaust are not nearly as toxic as when in a closed space.

One of my clients told me when her daughter (now 19-20 years old) was born in Italy, the OB came into her room smoking a cigarette.

ebonyandivory wrote: One of my clients told me when her daughter (now 19-20 years old) was born in Italy, the OB came into her room smoking a cigarette.

Enyar wrote:

Harvey wrote: I still remember my father choosing to take the first class seat upgrade in the upstairs smoking section of the 747 on a long flight from the east coast to Hawaii back in the 80s and having to endure a guy chain smoking for about 12 hours straight.

I just wanted to quote this and let it be known that you used to be able to SMOKE and USE FIRE ON AN AIRPLANE not that long ago. Crazy how much that has changed!

You used to get a meal with real silverware too. I picked up a giant box of TWA flatware for my father's scout troop at a flea market one day. One day we were setting up at a camp out and one of the fathers ask where he got them. He told the guy they started washing up on the beach about a week after flight 800 crashed.

ebonyandivory wrote: One of my clients told me when her daughter (now 19-20 years old) was born in Italy, the OB came into her room smoking a cigarette.

Well, they're Europeans. I think it used to be that the only place you weren't encouraged to smoke in Europe was inside a newborn baby's mouth.

Enyar wrote:

Harvey wrote: I still remember my father choosing to take the first class seat upgrade in the upstairs smoking section of the 747 on a long flight from the east coast to Hawaii back in the 80s and having to endure a guy chain smoking for about 12 hours straight.

I just wanted to quote this and let it be known that you used to be able to SMOKE and USE FIRE ON AN AIRPLANE not that long ago. Crazy how much that has changed!

It is a bit strange to think about it like that considering we now aren't even allowed to bring liquids on the plane.

9/11 changed a lot of things

GameboyRMH wrote:

ebonyandivory wrote: I just dislocated my thumb scrolling down the last few posts.

Use Page Up/Down and the arrow keys for long-distance scrolling I used to work with a guy who could hardly go half an hour without a smoke, and he smoked the heavy stuff. You could tell when he was about to ask for a smoke break because he'd get "the shakes." And he could bring second-hand smoke into a room without smoking - not kidding, here's how: If you were in the same room as him and he coughed, the whole room would instantly stink of cigarettes only smoker I've met with that superpower.

Ha! I am not sure that would qualify as a super power unless he could kill evil wrong doers with his smokers breath. Maybe Marvel could use that idea. Then again, probably not.

I tried to explain this to my chain smoking mom. She bought a Civic because of the great re-sale value if she wanted to get rid of it. I said that it won't have any value to a non-smoker. We can smell it a mile away.

wbjones wrote: 9/11 changed a lot of things

no, it did not... everything that "changed" was a result of people in power using fear and paranoia to push an agenda..

due to what happened on 9/11

and… don't get me wrong … I agree with everything you said … just that without the attacks on 9/11, they wouldn't have been able to do these things .. at least not without a WHOLE lot of pushback from the general population …

ebonyandivory wrote: One of my clients told me when her daughter (now 19-20 years old) was born in Italy, the OB came into her room smoking a cigarette.

My F-I-L was at the doctor's office one day and the Dr started badgering him about quitting smoking. The Dr. then reached into my FIL's pocket and pulled out his Luckys, fired one up and gave the pack back to him. BTW...FIL died of lung cancer years later.

In reply to spitfirebill:

That's unbelievable! I weighed 260 with a hint of "abs" probably 12% bodyfat at 6'3" and my doctor, looking like Humpty Dumpty only not as tall, suggested I start exercising and lose weight.

logdog wrote:

ebonyandivory wrote: One of my clients told me when her daughter (now 19-20 years old) was born in Italy, the OB came into her room smoking a cigarette.

Keep in mind that the health effects of cigarettes were well-known since before WW1. And now compare this to the stuff the soft drink and fossil fuel industries put out today...

I don't smoke cigarettes, and like most here, find the habit disgusting. One thing we should consider before demonizing those who do smoke is this:

Cigarettes are intentionally engineered to be addictive. This is why the habit is so hard to break. Heroin was not created to be addictive, neither was cocaine, alcohol, or marijuana. The evil scientists at RJ Reynolds, and other death peddling tobacco companies added ingredients to intentionally hook their customers......these substances also help to kill these same people later on.

It blows my mind that there is a contentious debate about a doctor being able to prescribe marijuana for legitimate treatments, but you can buy cigarettes --which are known to be deadly-- legally. I see this as a good example of how lobbyists influence lawmakers. RJ Reynolds has contributed millions upon millions of dollars to political candidates over the years. So regardless of how harmful it is......as long as those politicians keep raking in the campaign $$---- we will continue to allow RJ Reynolds to hook, poison and kill our populace. Ah.... the American way!

OK, some Points:

• What the H E L L is this doing in the main forum!

• Learn how to edit down quotes! (it's not that hard)

For all the people trying to get the smell out of cars, ozone generators kill it off amazingly well. They are used for mold remediation usually and can be rented at tool rental places.

irish44j wrote: lol...you think I'm defending smoking? Smoking is indefensible by any measure. Except to say that people all do things that are bad for themselves (and for others) to various degrees for various reasons. I'm defensive over the hypocrisy of this anti-smoking pile-on in what (last I checked) is a motorsports forum. If we were on "Grassroots Live Healthy" forum, I could see it. But here we are on a forum where all of us (myself included) willfully and gratuitously pollute the atmosphere for the sake our our own *pleasure* driving, racing, etc. And no matter how clean "modern vehicles" are, we could all be driving 100hp ULEV cars to save the earth - but this forum is full of people who want or have 300, 400, 500hp in their daily driver cars (or their daily-driver large SUVs/pickups) and love old diesel tow rigs. You may say "well, that's not the same thing." But in my opinion, it's exactly the same thing. What I also take offense to is that I'm at home on a Saturday night with nothing better to do than argue on the internet.

Vehicles pollute, but we still haven't found anything with a smaller cradle to grave footprint than internal combustion engines for cars. Hybrids, electrics etc. all have their place and are getting better, but battery production and electricity production are still dirty. Also people tend to drive outside so the pollutants eventual get distributed everywhere meaning the cumulative effect, while a massive issue tends not to be as concentrated. With modern pollution controls you've taken major cities from looking like smoking rooms to people being able to breathe again. Smoking in cars and houses concentrates that pollution to the point where it is an issue for anyone who has to be in that space being the guy up thread whose office is in an old smoking room or innocent family members living with an selfish indoor smoker.

You want to smoke outside 50' away from any doorway other people are using that's fine, but don't try to defend 2nd and 3rd hand smoke affecting others by comparing it to driving.

You are right this is the grass roots not off topic forum though.

I didn't post it here to discuss the merits of smokers and smoking, just the issue that you can't apparently clean up the toxins associated with it.

Someone could move it to the OT section. Or the people that are irritated by it could just keep bumping it over and over again, keeping it on the first page, to complain.

there … I moved it … can't see any difference though

but that's because of the way I peruse the GRM forum … I click on latest topics … so regardless of where something is posted … it shows up for me … shrug

In reply to wbjones:

Now it will live for three more pages. You know nothing good happens after page 3

At least it doesn't imply it has something to do with cars or the magazine. Lowers the expectation.

BTW (since it moved): No one can identify any benefits to smoking? Really? I have never smoked, don't like it, and think its full of bad news but I can think of at least a few very clear benefits:

• Appetite suppressant / weight loss: This is a big one. Makes it rather popular with some people for this effect.

• Relaxes / de-stresses: Nicotine has a pretty effective calming effect I am told.

• Social acceptance (in some cases): This was hinted at, but in some cases it is true.

So there... off to look for 4th hand smoke...