When is it time to panic

All this useless panic by misinformed idiots is making life tough on people who are ACTUALLY immunocompromised and ACTUALLY need medical care and access to disinfectants. 
 

Knurled. said:

No Time said:

kazoospec said:

You start that "my hiney's clean" crap and I'm petitioning the mods for a ban.

So can someone explain why there was underwear on the floor in one of the commercials?

They all walk around without any clothes

I was also under the impression that they did their business in the woods.

I thought that was the pope?

No Time said:

kazoospec said:

You start that "my hiney's clean" crap and I'm petitioning the mods for a ban.

So can someone explain why there was underwear on the floor in one of the commercials?

They all walk around without any clothes

Bear suits.  It is a family of furries.

In reply to Mr_Asa :

I think you're right. OTOH, if you wear your furry suit all the time, enough people will avoid you that you might not get the beer virus.

Some things:

Heard a radio guy say something on the order of "hey, you can pretend like this isn't bad, but you could kill your entire family" (which from current knowledge is very, very, very unlikely)

A well know cable channel (with 3 letters that LOVES disasters) has been using Pandemic in their titles.  There has been NO declaration of pandemic.

Read this on the interwebs (obviously not US): 

 Anecdotal, but the staff at my ED are already being overworked by the worried (minimally ill) well, who are afraid of news reports, even though we have not had ANY confirmed cases in our county.

Useful info:

COVID-19: median incubation period is 5.1 days - similar to SARS, 97.5% develop symptoms within 11.5 days. Current 14 day quarantine recommendation is 'reasonable' - 1% will develop symptoms after release from 14 day quarantine. N = 181 from China.

An older man (60s?) caught the virus on the quarantined cruise ship (Japan).  He was kept in his very small (interior) cabin with his wife the entire time... she never got the virus.  (I keep hearing 10 mins within 6 feet of someone is dangerous)

Also hearing:

85% of all cases are mild.

In reply to aircooled :

Are we going by Chinese mild or just the sniffles mild?

The media is a whore. 

I have heard it described as a mild cold.

If you are in China, you have other issues.  SUPER dense population areas, many there smoke, air is crap, and this is primarily a respiratory thing.

In reply to aircooled :

And, for those who got sick on cruises:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/cruises/2019/01/29/air-pollution-cruise-ship-decks-rivals-beijing-study-finds/2708840002/

All the burning bunker fuel and all...

aircooled said:

I have heard it described as a mild cold.

If you are in China, you have other issues.  SUPER dense population areas, many there smoke, air is crap, and this is primarily a respiratory thing.

I heard the difference in mortality rates between men and women in China is suspected to be related to smoking.  Something like 50% of men smoke there, and less than 2% of women do.

In reply to aircooled :

Here are the WHO descriptions of pandemics- https://www.who.int/influenza/resources/documents/pandemic_phase_descriptions_and_actions.pdf

If I read the description correctly, we are at stage 6, which is the highest numerical value.  But I thought I heard that they don't don't declare "pandemics" officially.

I think they do.  They are reluctant to do it though, likely because it will cause a lot of "switches" to be flipped and certainly expand whatever panic there is.

At this point, it's probably pretty much unnecessary to declare one anyway. Most everyone is already on high alert.

Is anyone actually getting a read on how much this outbreak is costing?  I heard last week that the stock market plunge shaved 5 trillion dollars off the economy.  At 2,000 deaths worldwide that's an absurd 2.5 billion per person.  But I just looked online and cost estimates were more in the 50 billion range (I assume this was more direct costs and losses than the stock plunge) and that brings it down to a positively reasonable 25 million per person.  Enough to make an insurance actuarial weep.

Big number maths are tough.

I think maybe the numbers of concern are inverted - the cost to the economy is relative to the number of people who don't die, which by its nature is something incalculable.

After all, if everything was business as usual, the "cost" would be zero, barring lost productivity, which may or may not be a thing given unemployment rates/labor skill sets/etc.  But more people would die and the cost to the economy would have longer lasting repercussions.

It's like the Y2K thing - yeah, nothing happened, because a lot of people worked their butts off to make sure that was the outcome.

(edited to fix spelling and grammar, was on a time crunch the first time)

KyAllroad (Jeremy) said:

Is anyone actually getting a read on how much this outbreak is costing?  I heard last week that the stock market plunge shaved 5 trillion dollars off the economy.  At 2,000 deaths worldwide that's an absurd 2.5 billion per person.  But I just looked online and cost estimates were more in the 50 billion range (I assume this was more direct costs and losses than the stock plunge) and that brings it down to a positively reasonable 25 million per person.  Enough to make an insurance actuarial weep.

Big number maths are tough.

That is just "value" not actual money out of the economy.   If tomorrow, everyone was willing to pay more, it would go right back up again.  The actual economic loss will be very different than that in terms of lost productivity and lost sales- and even the $50B could be made up for some things- not for entertainment or travel- but for goods that just need to be bought anyway.

Just popped up in a feed- cdc is offering 4500$ to get deliberately infected. 

I would lose two weeks of work, and make nearly 10 times my take home after taxes and my ex getting her cut. 

In reply to Mndsm :

Got a link? I'm up for some experimentation for some easy money

Mndsm said:

Just popped up in a feed- cdc is offering 4500$ to get deliberately infected. 

 

I would lose two weeks of work, and make nearly 10 times my take home after taxes and my ex getting her cut. 

I am having trouble believing this.

Also, 2 weeks?  I doubt it.  Probably 2 weeks after the infection has run its course.  So that's what... 6-8 weeks?

ProDarwin said:

Mndsm said:

Just popped up in a feed- cdc is offering 4500$ to get deliberately infected. 

 

I would lose two weeks of work, and make nearly 10 times my take home after taxes and my ex getting her cut. 

I am having trouble believing this.

 

Also, 2 weeks?  I doubt it.  Probably 2 weeks after the infection has run its course.  So that's what... 6-8 weeks?

 

That's if it doesn't kill you first. 

It's difficult to spend $4,500 when you're dead.

KyAllroad (Jeremy) said:

I heard last week that the stock market plunge shaved 5 trillion dollars off the economy.  
 

I'm not sure if you made a minor mistake, or if you really need to find someone better to listen to for financial matters.

You can't really shave a dollar amount off the economy.  If you mean the stock market valuations are down, well that could be, but it has precious little to do with the economy.  Maybe GDP could be down (production output that is an economic indicator).

In reply to SVreX :

Harvard sent all its students home . leave by Sunday Don't come back in the spring. 
 

RevRico said:

In reply to Mndsm :

Got a link? I'm up for some experimentation for some easy money

Came off swmbo's phone while we were waiting for dinner. 

Indy-Guy said:

ProDarwin said:

Mndsm said:

Just popped up in a feed- cdc is offering 4500$ to get deliberately infected. 

 

I would lose two weeks of work, and make nearly 10 times my take home after taxes and my ex getting her cut. 

I am having trouble believing this.

 

Also, 2 weeks?  I doubt it.  Probably 2 weeks after the infection has run its course.  So that's what... 6-8 weeks?

 

That's if it doesn't kill you first. 

It's difficult to spend $4,500 when you're dead.

I haven't seen anything yet that would indicate it could kill me. I am not immuno-compromised. 

In reply to Mndsm :

Yeah and you might grow a 3rd ear !   That would be useful :)

Mndsm said:

Indy-Guy said:

ProDarwin said:

Mndsm said:

Just popped up in a feed- cdc is offering 4500$ to get deliberately infected. 

 

I would lose two weeks of work, and make nearly 10 times my take home after taxes and my ex getting her cut. 

I am having trouble believing this.

 

Also, 2 weeks?  I doubt it.  Probably 2 weeks after the infection has run its course.  So that's what... 6-8 weeks?

 

That's if it doesn't kill you first. 

It's difficult to spend $4,500 when you're dead.

I haven't seen anything yet that would indicate it could kill me. I am not immuno-compromised. 

Found link to story about offer to get paid to be infected