I now have an uncontrollable urge to buy a pillow machine.
I now have an uncontrollable urge to buy a pillow machine.
TIL that I also want to buy a pillow machine.
John Welsh said:I heard on the radio today that The Country of France has put out a public bulletin discouraging hand shaking and kissing as greetings.
Back to the ol dick pic it is.
Back on subject, there are at least some doctors who think this whole thing might be a wee bit overblown. This guy is an actual practicing doctor (he also has a media presence). The show appears to be a somewhat generic non-network morning show, shown in smaller market stations.
This was from a month ago BTW, his position has not changed since then:
Mndsm said:John Welsh said:I heard on the radio today that The Country of France has put out a public bulletin discouraging hand shaking and kissing as greetings.
Back to the ol dick pic it is.
So that is why there was such a to-do for royal gatherings. It took forever for the artists to paint their subjects for the greetings.
In reply to aircooled :
Or maybe get the same media outlets as the Malaria epidemic.
I know I posted this info already, but it kinda bears repeating.....
Trying to picture the reality and media coverage of 3000 children per day dying in NA of a single disease? I lived in Nigeria for 5 years, and it did not make the news there either. Go figure.
That all said. the daughter was scheduled to return from Seoul end of this month and flights are now canceled. It does send a chill. My wife who is a ICU nurse and thinks this is all overblown is just hypocritical enough to not be happy with the flight cancellation thing. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Pete
NOHOME said:Trying to picture the reality and media coverage of 3000 children per day dying in NA of a single disease? I lived in Nigeria for 5 years, and it did not make the news there either. Go figure.
Stalin interrupted him to say: “If only one man dies of hunger, that is a tragedy. If millions die, that’s only statistics.”
In reply to aircooled :
Actual effects overblown, sure.
But the goal right now is to scare the crap out of everyone enough to take it super serious so that the effects to contain it can be more effective. Keeping another nasty flu out of the public domain is a good thing. A year of crappy economic impact is better than years and years of lost time due to yet another virus that has a significant impact on productivity.
So make fun of the efforts and fear, but at least recognize that we have a tiny opportunity to keep this out of the general public domain that changes every year and requires another team to constantly develop a vaccine.
Yeah, no, I get it. I think it's a bit of a good practice run for a truly deadly event (which this very much looks like it isn't so far). As you say, maybe some procedures can be created to help with the "standard" flu.
The "cry wolf" concern would be less of a concern if I didn't think the hype train on almost any future event won't get turned up to eleven by the "medias". If (when) this one turns out to be less than advertised, and maybe a few more, eventually numbness will set in (attention wanders)... we will see.
Over reaction seems to be the trend on almost anything now days (internet, current media seem to be the prime source), I am wondering if that trend will ever end. I sure do hope so.
In reply to aircooled :
The tale of the Boy Who Cried Wolf is very old. It's not really related to technology vs. just human nature.
I'm sure people were stoned to death due to rumors that sparked fear in people thousands of years ago.
I have travel booked for Chicagoland next week. Today I got an email, "We show that you have upcoming travel booked. Based on yesterday’s all employee communication from our CEO, specific travel restrictions have been implemented. If your travel is of internal, non-business essential nature, all travel should be canceled for the month of March, travel dates for April can be revisited later this month based on evolving situation. Please cancel online or contact the travel agent.
Should your travel be of project / client related nature, kindly seek the approval from your regional chief Executive or business line leader (first from your manager) outlining project name, code, reimbursable or not, and business rationale for travel ."
Great. Another layer of bureaucracy to jump through. Every time I book travel I have to input the project name, code, reimbursable or not, and business rationale. So this is completely redundant and useless.
aircooled said:Yeah, no, I get it. I think it's a bit of a good practice run for a truly deadly event (which this very much looks like it isn't so far). As you say, maybe some procedures can be created to help with the "standard" flu.
The "cry wolf" concern would be less of a concern if I didn't think the hype train on almost any future event won't get turned up to eleven by the "medias". If (when) this one turns out to be less than advertised, and maybe a few more, eventually numbness will set in (attention wanders)... we will see.
Over reaction seems to be the trend on almost anything now days (internet, current media seem to be the prime source), I am wondering if that trend will ever end. I sure do hope so.
Crying wolf is exactly the problem.
Why do you think Okie's go outside with a beer when the tornado sirens go off?
In reply to z31maniac :
Cause you can see a tornado coming and figure out which way to run?
Pete
alfadriver said:In reply to aircooled :
Actual effects overblown, sure.
But the goal right now is to scare the crap out of everyone enough to take it super serious so that the effects to contain it can be more effective. Keeping another nasty flu out of the public domain is a good thing. A year of crappy economic impact is better than years and years of lost time due to yet another virus that has a significant impact on productivity.
Case in point; the guy in New Hampshire that was the first person in the state to cautch it, was told to self-quarantine, then went to a business event anyways.
Second case in NH is apparently directly linked to the first case
So my work seems to be starting to get ducks in a row. All managers have been directed to check if we have telework agreements / do we have internet access at home. We have already been given orders to work from home if we even THINK we are sick.
Basically, kind of gearing up to work through a quarantine if the worst comes to worst. Wife and I are figuring out what our gameplan is if certain scenarios happen, if kids daycare closes, etc.
M wife took this as an excuse to stock up on non-perishables (cat supplies, TP, etc) basically because we have room to stock them and would be good to avoid a rush on them should the worst happen.
Part of our heightened concern is that we work in DC and have a toddler in daycare (germ factory). Plus, this is all emerging as we are just getting over everyone in the house getting the flu.
Biggest thing I am doing is working on my habits and not touching my face unless I just washed or sanitized my hands.
I thought this article was interesting. Pointing out that the mortality rate in China outside Wuhan has been around .7% and the mortality rate in Wuhan has been steadily dropping.
Mr_Asa said:alfadriver said:In reply to aircooled :
Actual effects overblown, sure.
But the goal right now is to scare the crap out of everyone enough to take it super serious so that the effects to contain it can be more effective. Keeping another nasty flu out of the public domain is a good thing. A year of crappy economic impact is better than years and years of lost time due to yet another virus that has a significant impact on productivity.
Case in point; the guy in New Hampshire that was the first person in the state to cautch it, was told to self-quarantine, then went to a business event anyways.
Second case in NH is apparently directly linked to the first case
NH has a long history of people basically saying, "Berk you, I won't do what you tell me." So I can totally see that happening here.
It's a weird place.
Live Free or Die!! (NH state moto)
- I guess he chose both?
The question I really want the answer to is exactly how different Corona is this from the normal flu. It really doesn't seem that different other then the fact that we really sure what exactly it was are it's effects are for a while (fear of the unknown). Transmission "appears" to be the same?
As noted, if we treated the normal flu a bit more like this (less freaking out and less closing down things I would think) we might avoid a lot of its spread and death. If nothing else, a bit more consideration on hygiene and personal contact.
In reply to aircooled :
From what I've read/heard, it's similar although it does appear to have a higher mortality rate. While there are far more flu deaths every year, a lot more people get it. Flu deaths are in the fractions of a percentage point range whereas the corona virus is close to a percent (still too early to really know for sure).
alfadriver said:In reply to aircooled :
Actual effects overblown, sure.
But the goal right now is to scare the crap out of everyone enough to take it super serious so that the effects to contain it can be more effective.
That may well be the goal. What the reality will be, thanks to the Law Of Unintended Consequences:
1) 40% the people will think that this is being wayyyyyy overblown and therefore not take any precautions whatsoever. I am firmly in this camp based on actual results from similar events occurring about every 4-6 years in living memory, and from not having any underlying health factors that put me at risk.
2) 50% of the people will panic utterly, paralyze all forms of travel, drive up the prices of nearly ineffective protective gear and basic staples, put a huge dent in the stock market, and cost numerous industries (and therefore workers) billions of dollars in fear of a virus that will actually affect a group of people numbering in the 5 digits or fewer.
3) 10% of the people who have actual reason to worry will take simple, appropriate precautions.
In times of an emergency, it's never time to panic. Just be prepared.
Am I worried that SWHTF over this? No. I'm more worried about other people more-so than the virus.
But do I really trust the government and any numbers the Chinese put out? berkeley no.
Will I be prepared? As much as I can try to be. I've bought extra non-perishable food, getting my garden started early, and bought extra masks w/ reusable filters. If this all blows over, I just have supplies set up for tornado season for when that finally hits.
All I can say is that our household legitimately needed T.P. yesterday, so (like a fool, I guess) I went to Costco at lunch to grab a bundle. Just like I always do. Normally, there are numerous pallets of T.P. to pick from. None at all yesterday. No bottled water either. Un-frickin-believable. Fortunately for the fam WalMart has T.P. Not alot, mind you, but enough for us to survive a couple more weeks. I think.
Duke said:2) 50% of the people will panic utterly, paralyze all forms of travel, drive up the prices of nearly ineffective protective gear and basic staples, put a huge dent in the stock market, and cost numerous industries (and therefore workers) billions of dollars in fear of a virus that will actually affect a group of people numbering in the 5 digits or fewer.
I have to admit to being kind of a bad person.... Not really bad, but bad. I'm not discouraging any of these kind of people, as since we travel a lot, it's in our financial best interest if people cancel their trips. It will lead to either cheaper fares or free upgrades. Or both at the same time, I suppose. It's already happened once- a cruise we have planned for next month has us upgraded 2 or 3 cabin classes for what we originally paid. I suspect a May cruise will do even better.
But, I am honestly concerned about Sept travel to Europe. Not sure if that will happen, and if it does, it's right on the shoulder of when things get started all over gain WRT the flu season. But there's nothing I can do now, that's for sure.
Gonna be a lot of stinky shiny happy people going around because of this virus.
In reply to Stampie :
Dont forget itchy
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