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3Door4G
3Door4G Reader
8/21/10 2:37 p.m.

I'm considering the purchase of my own pistol, not in the immediate future, but hopefully in the next year or two.

Right now I'm thinking 9mm, since I have relatively small hands, and thin wrists. I've fired rounds from .38s/.357s before, and while it didn't break my wrist or anything, I don't know if I could fire it accurately in a tense situation.

So I'm just wondering if anyone has any input on a good, reliable pistol that won't be overly expensive. I've heard very good things about Glocks, but IMO they're kind of ugly. Not the biggest concern, but hey, if I'm going to spend a few hundred dollars on something, I may as well like the way it looks.

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that I'm left-handed/left-eyed, so anything that makes left-handed operation easier is a plus.

alex
alex Dork
8/21/10 3:13 p.m.

Glocks are great for lefties. Just saying.

Hard to beat Taurus in terms of a quality pistol at a great pricepoint.

3Door4G
3Door4G Reader
8/21/10 3:21 p.m.
alex wrote: Glocks are great for lefties. Just saying. Hard to beat Taurus in terms of a quality pistol at a great pricepoint.

I might have to rent a Glock and try it out then.

I really like the look of the Beretta pistols but I hear they're finicky.

Woody
Woody GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
8/21/10 3:50 p.m.

I've had Glocks and Berettas, still do in fact. But I have bought and sold Berettas, while buying and keeping the Glocks.

Berettas are beautiful, but, as you say finicky.

Glocks are ugly, but if you want to point a pistol, have it fire every time you pull the trigger and hit what you're aiming at, they're hard to beat. They're also the easiest pistols that I have ever disassembled and cleaned.

I expect that this thread will soon rival the "Hot Link" thread for page count supremacy.

M2Pilot
M2Pilot Reader
8/21/10 4:47 p.m.

Do check out the XDs & XDMs. Walther also make a nice easily concealable 9mm,the PPS.

3Door4G
3Door4G Reader
8/21/10 4:58 p.m.

Excellent suggestions. Thanks.

A relatively well-to-do friend of mine has recently purchased a membership at a good indoor range, and he's excited about going shooting, so I should have plenty of opportunities to try some of these guns out for cheap.

I'm iffy about Taurus too. My Dad has a Taurus .38spl/.357 revolver, and it works great, but I've heard about the hit and miss quality as well. Especially since I want an automatic.

I'm not that interested in something that's built around concealability. The reduced accuracy, smaller, magazine, and sharper recoil outweigh any benefits, at least for me, since I won't be carrying it much anyway.

wbjones
wbjones Dork
8/21/10 5:16 p.m.

if you're going to carry then ignore this... but if it's for home protection and you're worried about accuracy during a tense situation... 12 gauge FTW...

JG Pasterjak
JG Pasterjak Production/Art Director
8/21/10 5:19 p.m.

Springfield XDs have ambi mag releases, which is nice for lefties (or guys with short thumbs like me). Fantastic guns.

Glocks are the Honda Civic of pistols. They are reliable and ubiquitous.

And I'd also check out a Taurus PT92/99. IMO a better copy of the Beretta 92/99, which will also be cheaper. The Taurus also has an easily reversible mag release.

And don't forget, at some point, every MAN who owns guns MUST own a 1911.

jg

3Door4G
3Door4G Reader
8/21/10 5:26 p.m.
wbjones wrote: if you're going to carry then ignore this... but if it's for home protection and you're worried about accuracy during a tense situation... 12 gauge FTW...

Well, it's partially for home defense, but mostly for fun. I would like a 12-gauge at some point.

The one thing that sucks is that even though I'm left-handed, I have years of training in Kendo, so it feels more natural to control a weapon with my right hand. I'm more accurate with my left and more comfortable with my right. I just can't win.

Brennan
Brennan New Reader
8/21/10 5:47 p.m.

I'm actually planning on purchasing a Springfield Armory XD 9mm Subcompact. I say check it out, it's a fairly small weapon.

stroker
stroker Reader
8/21/10 5:59 p.m.

FWIW the only 9mm I own is a Hi-Power. It's not small, but it's certainly concealable.

Can't stand how Glocks feel in my hand, like a bar of soap, but it's tough to argue with their reputation. I'd look real hard at a Springfield XD if I were buying Tupperware.

fastmiata
fastmiata Reader
8/21/10 8:06 p.m.

Ruger makes a nice pocket gun in 9mm. I have both the Glock (.357)and Springfield(10mm) and both shoot very well. It just depends on the situation.

3Door4G
3Door4G Reader
8/21/10 8:40 p.m.

The more I read about the XD, the more I like it. Every professional reviewer out there seems to think it's pretty much the greatest thing ever.

I'm going to compare a few next time I go to the range.

cwh
cwh SuperDork
8/21/10 11:16 p.m.

I would suggest that you check out the Makarov. Good enough for KGB and Spetznaz. And me, too.

neon4891
neon4891 SuperDork
8/21/10 11:53 p.m.

What is the availability of the 9x18 ammo? Seems like there is a reason you can get makarovs for stupid cheap.

mad_machine
mad_machine GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
8/22/10 8:23 a.m.
racinginc215 wrote: Don't forget the CZ 9mm's great guns at a great price. and it does come in a compact.

I second the CZ series.. I have a CZ 75 P, which is the older police issue version. There is also a CZ85 that is ambidextrous

The CZ-75 pistol was developed by the Koucky brothers, who worked at the state-owned arms factory Ceska Zbrojovka in the city of Uhersky Brod (Czechoslovakia, now Czech republic). This full-size semiautomatic pistol first appeared in the 1975, and the production began circa 1976. CZ-75 was obviously intended for the export market. The CZ-75 accumulated best features from many preceding designs. Resulting pistol was aesthetically attractive, comfortable to handle and shoot, quite accurate and reliable in operation. Made by CZ in various versions and modifications, CZ-75 was also widely copied and cloned. Most popular of CZ-75 copies are (or were) made by: IMI (Jericho-941, Israel), Tanfoglio (TZ-75, TZ-90, T-95, Italy), Sarsilmaz (M2000, Turkey), ITM (AT-88, Swiss), Sphinx (mod.2000, Swiss), Norinco (NZ-75, China), Springfield (P9, USA).

CZ-75 is now in service with Czech police (in the form of compact CZ-75 P-01). It is also used by Turkish police, and by several police departments in USA. By opinions of most experts, CZ-75 is one of the best combat pistols in its class.

CZ-75 is a short recoil operated, locked breech pistol. It uses a fairy standard Browning locking system, with cam-shaped cut below the barrel, which lowers the barrel on recoil stroke. Barrel locks into slide with two locking lugs, located just ahead of the ejection port. The slide rides on the internal rails, machined on inside of the frame. This system, originated by the Swiss SIG P210 pistol, provides more smooth cycle and better tolerances, resulting in greater accuracy. In basic models, the double action trigger system with exposed hammer has a frame mounted manual safety, which allows for "cocked and locked" carry. Since the late 1980s, all CZ-75 type pistols are fitted with internal firing pin safety. Models with firing pin safety are indicated with "B" index, for example CZ-75B, CZ-75BD. All full-size CZ-75 have all-steel construction; several compact models, including CZ-75 P-01, have aluminum frames with steel slides.

There are several variations of the trigger system, available in various models. First is decock-only system (frame-mounted decocker lever, with no manual safety, in models CZ-75BD, CZ-75 BD Compact, CZ-75 P-01). Second is the Double action only system, with no manual safety and spur-less hammer (models CZ-75DAO). Third is the Single action system, with manual frame mounted safety, intended mostly for sport shooting under IPSC rules (CZ-75SA). In all versions, manual safety or decocking lever is located only at the left side of the frame, as well as the slide stop. The completely ambidextrous version of the CZ-75 is the CZ-85, described in the separate article.

Standard models of CZ-75 are fitted with fixed sights, with the rear sight being dovetailed into the slide. "Combat" and IPSC models are fitted with adjustable rear sights.

The Semi-compact models of CZ-75 have the same frame as basic guns, but have slide and barrel shortened by 20mm (.78 inch); Compact models also have shorter grip frame, which holds only 13 rounds of ammunition (standard magazines will also fit, but will protrude from the bottom of the grip).

The CZ-75 P-01, which is a standard gun for Czech police since 2001, is based on the Cz-75BD Compact, but also featured an accessory rail under the barrel, which is usually fitted with tactical flashlight.

Probably most rare version of the CZ-75 is the CZ-75 Automatic, a selective-fire version of the basic pistol, which can fire either in semi-auto or in full auto, with rate of fire about 1,000 rounds per minute. The CZ-75 Automatic first appeared circa 1992, and is intended for special police and military forces. To help control the gun, a spare magazine can be fitted upside down into special holder under the barrel; it then serve as a front grip. Early models of CZ-75 Automatic were fitted with longer barrels with integral compensators; latest models have standard barrels.

Early models of CZ-75 were offered with 15-round double stack magazines; present models are offered with 16-rounds magazines (9 mm full-size models), 12-rounds magazines (.40SW models) or with 13-rounds magazines (9mm Compact models). For US market, those guns are offered with 10-round magazines. --

3Door4G
3Door4G Reader
8/22/10 8:37 a.m.

My Dad has a Makarov chambered for .380 and I have liked it. I didn't know they were still available.

Seems like everyone's got a favorite automatic out there. I guess there's nothing for it now but to start trying these guns out.

joey48442
joey48442 SuperDork
8/22/10 8:38 a.m.

Keltec people! Keltec keltec keltec!

Joey

M2Pilot
M2Pilot Reader
8/22/10 8:49 p.m.
joey48442 wrote: Keltec people! Keltec keltec keltec! Joey

Keltecs do offer a great value but since the OP isn't interested in concealibility probably not the best suggestion.

alex
alex Dork
8/22/10 9:07 p.m.

Reliable, inexpensive, ambidextrous, not too worried about conceal-ability: sounds to me like you're looking for a revolver.

joey48442
joey48442 SuperDork
8/22/10 9:25 p.m.
M2Pilot wrote:
joey48442 wrote: Keltec people! Keltec keltec keltec! Joey
Keltecs do offer a great value but since the OP isn't interested in concealibility probably not the best suggestion.

Right, but alot of other people were mentioning small weapons, so I thought I would suggest the Keltec.

Joey

joey48442
joey48442 SuperDork
8/22/10 9:26 p.m.
alex wrote: Reliable, inexpensive, ambidextrous, not too worried about conceal-ability: sounds to me like you're looking for a revolver.

Smith and Wesson Model 10 for the win!!!

Joey

friedgreencorrado
friedgreencorrado SuperDork
8/22/10 10:25 p.m.
3Door4G wrote:
wbjones wrote: if you're going to carry then ignore this... but if it's for home protection and you're worried about accuracy during a tense situation... 12 gauge FTW...
Well, it's partially for home defense, but mostly for fun. I would like a 12-gauge at some point. The one thing that sucks is that even though I'm left-handed, I have years of training in Kendo, so it feels more natural to control a weapon with my right hand. I'm more accurate with my left and more comfortable with my right. I just can't win.

It's like racing, dude. Practice, practice, practice. I'm right handed, but my left eye is the better one (uncorrected, left is 20/200, right is 20/600). Not so bad with a pistol, but with a long gun, I look so stupid smashing my cheek into the stock while I'm trying to sight up the target with my dominant eye. Especally since I've got to wear glasses anyway, and gotta keep the left lens over the eye when I'm doing it. My friends tell me I look like I'm straining in a 2G turn with my head all crooked like that..

pilotbraden
pilotbraden Reader
8/23/10 8:07 a.m.

Centerfire auto loader with a .22 long rifle conversion kit. You will shoot more often for much less money.

joey48442
joey48442 SuperDork
8/23/10 8:41 a.m.
pilotbraden wrote: Centerfire auto loader with a .22 long rifle conversion kit. You will shoot more often for much less money.

While that seems fun, many of he conversions seem to cost as much as a nice used ruger .22.. And that way you get two guns!

Joey

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