In reply to BradLTL:
Equal for all. Most people don't have time to tune.
In reply to BradLTL:
Equal for all. Most people don't have time to tune.
Ya no tuning. This race is not about speed it is about luck and being able to adjust a strategy on the fly.
The easiest car to drive that I have found is the R10 but really good fuel mileage and keeps reasonably good pace. The 908 is the next easiest but is faster but takes a hit in the fuel use. I can get six laps with the 908 on fuel but it is really close. To the point where I am going to have to avoid the draft to keep rpms down to make the six laps.
We need some Audis in the event. Who will run an R10? The Bentley is a good car as well.
R8 '01 for me.
I'm calling that the Pescarolo Judds are ringers. I've been running a few B-Spec tests, and they are on average 7-15 seconds faster than any of the other eligible cars.
Evidence: I ran the 908. It finished 8th with a fast lap of 3:44. I ran the Judd GV5. It was in 1st by lap 3 with a fast lap of 3:30. Keep in mind the A/B Spec features rain, so the times are a bit lower than on a dry track, but still that is a significant difference.
I vote they be disallowed.
BradLTL wrote: I'm calling that the Pescarolo Judds are ringers. I've been running a few B-Spec tests, and they are on average 7-15 seconds faster than any of the other eligible cars. Evidence: I ran the 908. It finished 8th with a fast lap of 3:44. I ran the Judd GV5. It was in 1st by lap 3 with a fast lap of 3:30. Keep in mind the A/B Spec features rain, so the times are a bit lower than on a dry track, but still that is a significant difference. I vote they be disallowed.
How are they on fuel and tires? If they have more outright speed but have to pit a lap sooner than other cars do then it can even out over a race. I haven't tried the car so I have no idea, just curious.
In reply to e30Matt:
I believe Argo had to pit on lap 4, I had to pit on lap five in the R8. I tried for six but ran out of fuel about a half a mile from the pit lane.
All the cars I tested pitted on lap 3, except the DeltaWing (lap 6).
The Pescarolos were right at 3 laps, the Bentley had the most margin but still couldn't make 4.
In reply to Argo1:
Argo are you going to ban the Pesky Rollos per Brad's request? If so I'll take the 01 Audi R8 (yellow #2) My time with the Pescarolo is no where near 15 sec. less than my second fastest car. More like about 3.0 sec.
I just checked and I'm 3.8 sec. faster in the Pescarolo than I am in the 01 Audi R8. However, the Pescarolo time was set on RS tires and the Audi time on RH. I should be able to go a couple seconds faster with the Audi on RS.
I see that T.J. chose the 01 Audi R8 also.
T.J. wrote: R8 '01 for me.
T.J. is yours the red or yellow? Mine is Yellow #2.
Opening a room for testing in about 5 min or so
BradLTL wrote: All the cars I tested pitted on lap 3, except the DeltaWing (lap 6). The Pescarolos were right at 3 laps, the Bentley had the most margin but still couldn't make 4.
What fuel usage setting are you using. It should be at "fast" NOT "Very Fast" Those sound like you had it set to very fast.
dean1484 wrote:BradLTL wrote: All the cars I tested pitted on lap 3, except the DeltaWing (lap 6). The Pescarolos were right at 3 laps, the Bentley had the most margin but still couldn't make 4.What fuel usage setting are you using. It should be at "fast" NOT "Very Fast" Those sound like you had it set to very fast.
Was using the 24 minute race from the single player with B Spec. Trying to take human error out of it.
I just got to practice for a while with Dean and Mudd. The verdict is that in my hands the Pescarolo does not need to be banned. I know that Argo will be faster than me but so was Mudd in the Peugeot. Dean was staying right on my bumper with the Bently. He could get one more lap than I did with his Peugeot.
I agree Grae. You all should not get all wrapped up in what cars are faster and what not. Fuel usage will equalize that as will weather and driver error.
In testing Mudd was running 30-32s in the 908 but got 5.75 laps. I was running 34-36s and got 6 laps with a couple liters yo spare. Same car. Thus race is about how you drive a car more than all out speed. This is thinking mans racing. You have to figure out the balance of speed and fuel usage as well as how to optimize braking and shifting.
The Pescarolo's are not ringers. They are faster but use more fuel. The Pescarolo Courage C60 Judd Hybrid IS a ringer and why it is not allowed. Ultimate lap time wont be race pace. The fastest lap wont win the race. Consistency and strategy will. There are many many variables in the race distance. I like variety of cars in the race. I have no problem picking a different car for myself.
BradLTL wrote:dean1484 wrote:Was using the 24 minute race from the single player with B Spec. Trying to take human error out of it.BradLTL wrote: All the cars I tested pitted on lap 3, except the DeltaWing (lap 6). The Pescarolos were right at 3 laps, the Bentley had the most margin but still couldn't make 4.What fuel usage setting are you using. It should be at "fast" NOT "Very Fast" Those sound like you had it set to very fast.
I strongly recommend practicing on line in a private room. Physics are much different. If you practice off line exclusively you may have a very frustrating race.
Also the human error thing is very important. Fatigue is a part of this and the only way to beat it is to practice with it. You have to know the signs and drive taking it in to account. In short you have to be able to get back up on the wheel when you start to get sloppy.
Spool with his autocross experience has developed a skill set that is similar to the attention span of a nat. I am hoping that this may actually help us mere mortals and we may have a chance to beet him. 
OK, to quiet all the ruckus from the peanut gallery, I am giving my #17 Pescarolo Courage Judd GV5 to any taker. (Brad please take this car and put your money where your mouth is) I will run the Audi R10 Stealth in my usual #45. Unfortunately the car cannot be painted but just look for the yellow helmet. I haven't done any testing in it yet but I will make it work.
Grae, keep your Pescarolo. The Pescarolo's stay in the race.
Anyone is welcome to recreate the same test I used, it is in everyone's game.
I haven't raced in so long I won't be competitive regardless of my car, so I will stick with the 908 (it's pretty).
Brad. You can run 3:30xx with the 908. Mudd did it last night with Grae and I.
Brad. Your test does not represent race conditions. It is not a valid test. Again I recommend setting up a private room on line and testing. Grae was commenting last night that the differences in the physics was very noticeable.
dean1484 wrote: It is not a valid test.
It is a like to like comparison of the cars, it is actually a very valid test, although it is not a representation of the race conditions.
To be honest, I was actually testing something else completely. I wanted to test the difference in a default vs tuned 908 (specifically gearing and aero) to see the gap in potential. It was only when I noticed the Pescarolos running away with the test that I decided to check them and a few others.
I am not saying that it will be end all deciding factor of the race, just that the performance potential with them is greater than the other eligible cars that I had time to test.
In reply to BradLTL:
After all that, "Oh, I'll just use the 908." Really?
Yep. I was actually hoping to accumulate evidence to argue for tuning. I'm sorry I discovered your cheater car. 
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