Spec Miata Moves to Penske Shocks

Better check Ebay for some cheap Bilstein dampers

trigun7469 said:

Better check Ebay for some cheap Bilstein dampers

I have pre purchased 4 sets now.... 

That price point is crazy though. 1k for a full coil over suspension setup using Penske dampers. Makes me wonder if they're making any money off of these kits. Or if they're even breaking even.

Professor_Brap said:

trigun7469 said:

Better check Ebay for some cheap Bilstein dampers

I have pre purchased 4 sets now.... 

 

How would the SM Bilsteins work with stock springs for an ES NB2?

They're certainly cheap.

boxedfox said:

That price point is crazy though. 1k for a full coil over suspension setup using Penske dampers. Makes me wonder if they're making any money off of these kits. Or if they're even breaking even.

1k for a set of non-adjustable shocks and upper mounts. Bring your own springs. 

SM Bilsteins are just off-the-shelf HDs. Nothing magic. There are already lots of cheap ones out there. If they’ve been revalved for SM rates, they’ll be way overdamped for stock springs. 

If they work anywhere near as well as the Penske road race dampers I've driven on, I'd still say that's a bargain. They just seem to do the basics really well - good consistent damping across the range with very progressive fade characteristics.

Keith Tanner said:

boxedfox said:

That price point is crazy though. 1k for a full coil over suspension setup using Penske dampers. Makes me wonder if they're making any money off of these kits. Or if they're even breaking even.

1k for a set of non-adjustable shocks and upper mounts. Bring your own springs. 

SM Bilsteins are just off-the-shelf HDs. Nothing magic. There are already lots of cheap ones out there. If they’ve been revalved for SM rates, they’ll be way overdamped for stock springs. 

Thanks,Keith. I'm going to wait till next spring to get new shocks.

boxedfox said:

If they work anywhere near as well as the Penske road race dampers I've driven on, I'd still say that's a bargain. They just seem to do the basics really well - good consistent damping across the range with very progressive fade characteristics.

They may be very good if valved well, but the price point isn't out of line. 

I tried finding “cheap” bilsteins on eBay... nothing even remotely close to cheap. Maybe it’ll pick up now that it’s official. I checked three days ago and everyone was selling but at a price point of “stupid”. 

I don't think the Penskes are shipping yet. You won't see the used Bilsteins until that happens.

In reply to _ : Wait until after Christmas I bet they will get cheaper. I am wondering how this will effect the champcar teams, as some of them runs in SM.

How much would I hate my life if I tried running Spec Miata shocks/springs on the street? (I'm guessing the answer is "A whole lot, just go buy some Fox, you cheap bastard")

NickD said:

How much would I hate my life if I tried running Spec Miata shocks/springs on the street? (I'm guessing the answer is "A whole lot, just go buy some Fox, you cheap bastard")

If the construction is similar to their 7150 or 7500 series the bodies probably won't tolerate regular street use. But I see people driving to the track on JRZ 11 series dampers and they're a dedicated racing shock.

Spec Miata runs some pretty stiff front springs - 700 lb. That's a little high for street use, even with magic dampers. We don't know how the Penskes are valved but it's unlikely that street comfort was a consideration. By the time you've paid for a set of good springs, the Penskes wouldn't be THAT much cheaper than Fox.

Now, if you're talking about a Bilstein-based SM suspension - you'd hate yourself a lot. That shock was chosen because it was cheap, not because it was right. It's taken 18 years for the ruling bodies to do something about it.

What makes the Spec. Miata suspension great is that it's relatively cheap and everyone in the class is running it (well, they should be) so the competition is close.  Other than that  there's not much else to recommend it .  Yeah it works but the Bilstein are under damped and either the front springs are too stiff or the rears are too soft depending on your perspective.  Also, the Bilstiens don't hold up all that well.

Keith...

Any of the new stuff, or the cast offs, useable for a locost?

 Not ideal, but the usual messed up front spring geometry might work with those springs. Biggest problems would be the spring diameter, most of the ones I’ve dealt with use smaller OD springs.