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dyintorace
dyintorace GRM+ Memberand HalfDork
1/19/09 11:02 a.m.

TURIN -- Fiat Group is in negotiations with Chrysler LLC to form a strategic partnership that could include a Fiat equity stake in the ailing U.S. carmaker. The pact would help Chrysler speed up and strengthen its ongoing restructuring plan.

According to people familiar with the matter in Europe and Detroit, Fiat could give Chrysler access to its mini-, small-, lower-medium and upper-medium platforms, engines and transmissions. This would allow Chrysler to quickly build a complete new range of front-wheel-drive, low-emission vehicles. It is not clear if Fiat would receive money or equity for giving Chrysler access to its technology.

A Fiat spokesman was not immediately available to comment. A Chrysler spokeswoman today said she couldn't provide immediate comment. A spokesman for majority owner Cerberus Capital Management LP could not be immediately reached for comment. Thomas Froelich, a spokesman for Daimler AG in Stuttgart, declined to comment. Daimler owns 19.9 percent of Chrysler.

Chrysler, which was acquired by private-equity firm Cerberus in 2007, saw its sales drop 30 percent last year and has been forced to throttle back on new investment. It received $4 billion in emergency government loans this month and plans to seek another $3 billion. Fiat began looking at Chrysler last summer and more than a dozen executives spent weeks at Chrysler headquarters, industry sources told Automotive News. Fiat executives also held talks with Chrysler dealers and held meetings with Chrysler owner Cerberus in New York, the sources said.

Wide interest in small cars Detroit's other carmakers, General Motors and Ford Motor Co., are also planning to introduce a complete range of mini, small- and lower-medium vehicles based on their respective designs currently offered or under development for Europe. These cars would be ready in 2010 or 2011. Chrysler, which does not have a similar range of products built in Europe, has been looking for a partner to quickly get such vehicles. It sought help from Japan's Nissan and Chery Automobile in China. So far, only the Nissan small car project has borne fruit.

Fiat gains U.S. access Possible extensions of the Fiat-Chrysler deal could include access for Fiat to Chrysler's North American manufacturing operations and its distribution network. Fiat has postponed the relaunch of its Alfa Romeo brand in North America until 2011 because it has had difficulty in finding a local manufacturing and distribution infrastructure. Fiat Group CEO Sergio Marchionne has said he would like to sell the Fiat 500 minicar in the United States but only if it is built locally. An alliance with Chrysler would allow Fiat to sell Alfas and the 500 in the United States, because sharing manufacturing sites with Chrysler would bring down costs. Alfa cars and the 500 would be sold in North America through Chrysler, Jeep and Dodge dealers.

At the same time, Chrysler could access Fiat's distribution network in Europe and Latin America. Fiat is the No.1 automaker in Brazil, Latin America's largest market. In 2010, Chrysler will bring to North America a Nissan-designed small car made in Japan. Chrysler began selling the Nissan-built Dodge Trazo in Latin America in late 2008. In December, Chrysler and Chery ended 17 months of negotiations to initially give Dodge a China-built minicar for sales in Latin America. Chrysler and Chery also ended talks to build a small car similar to the Dodge Hornet concept car on the Chery A1 platform, to be sold in the United States, Europe and other world markets.

carguy123
carguy123 Dork
1/19/09 11:57 a.m.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't Fiats breakdown even more often than the GM stuff?

bludroptop
bludroptop Dork
1/19/09 12:11 p.m.

Acid flashback to Chrysler's last Italian girlfriend....

fiat22turbo
fiat22turbo GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
1/19/09 12:44 p.m.

Well, that would get Fiat back into the states with the dealer network and Chrysler would get a proper small car that is in as much demand as BMW's MINI (The Fiat 500 is a brilliant small car)

Also Fiat owns Ferrari, Maserati, Alfa Romeo, Lancia and of course Abarth. When you add in Chrysler's decent brands, Jeep and Dodge trucks (everything else could be replaced with Fiat, Alfa/Lancia's and at least they might have some styling)

Given Chrysler's aborted partnerships with Peugeot and the rubbish that resulted (1.6L Pushrod powered Plymouth Horizons anyone?) I'd say there is a good chance that this is the only way that Fiat could come back to the states and the only way for Chrysler to come back from certain death.

fiat22turbo
fiat22turbo GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
1/19/09 12:48 p.m.
bludroptop wrote: Acid flashback to Chrysler's last Italian girlfriend....

Personally I liked the Maserati TC. Especially the DOHC 2.2 turbo's and the styling and interior was better than the Lebaron. To be honest, that was Chrysler's, not Maserati's as Chrysler's committee's delayed it and allowed the Lebaron to come out (they should have not done the lebaron and gone with the Maserati TC instead).

Keith
Keith GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
1/19/09 12:49 p.m.

Didn't GM pay $2 billion dollars not to be involved with Fiat?

"Unequivocally, this was a good return on investment for our shareholders," Wagoner said, adding that GM saved $1 billion last year alone from cost savings related to the partnership.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/02/14/business/fiat.php

P71
P71 GRM+ Memberand HalfDork
1/19/09 1:02 p.m.

I actually like the idea of FIAT/Chrysler. The 500 would be rocking here in the states and they have a lot of cool, quirky little cars perfect for $4/gal gas. Plus the extra capital needed to design the next-gen LX (300/Magnum/Charger/Challenger) and maybe get some interior quality into Chryslers (or at least somebody that knows how to match colors...).

And carguy123 the most reliable brand of 2008 was Buick, a GM brand. So put that in your pipe and smoke it.

John Brown
John Brown GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
1/19/09 1:47 p.m.

P71: Nonmatching colors are en vogue right now. I am 21 feet away from a pale champagne colored Passat CC with a black, saddle and grey interior. It is possibly the ugliest combination of colors available.

I do not see Chr-iat working, even if Chrysler were to keep JUST the truck, Jeep, the new E vehicles, The RWD cars and mix the rest from midsize down with Tonys best it will still be hindered by Fiats last ventures into the states AND Chryslers souring reputation.

I guess we will see.

wherethefmi2000
wherethefmi2000 Reader
1/19/09 1:55 p.m.

I want an Abarth 500 sooooooo bad, under hard braking the 4 ways flash that's coooooooooool seriously cool!!!

SVreX
SVreX SuperDork
1/19/09 1:56 p.m.

Does that mean we'll get a CaraYugo??

Actually, I've kind of got that going on in my garage right now.

confuZion3
confuZion3 Dork
1/19/09 2:02 p.m.

There's a Viper GTS in the movie, "Wanted". I just saw the car chase scene from that movie last night. God that car is cool. I hope they don't kill it. America needs it.

P71
P71 GRM+ Memberand HalfDork
1/19/09 2:44 p.m.

Non-matching colors aren't cool if they weren't done on purpose... Modern Dodge/Chrysler interiors are appallingly horrid. So bad that I can't even ride in one without getting a headache at the Crayola rainbow of colors. I'd have to re-dye the whole inside of one (or gut it) if I ever got one.

dyintorace
dyintorace GRM+ Memberand HalfDork
1/19/09 3:41 p.m.

An update was just released. Here is the pertinent new information:

If the deal is completed, Fiat would get a 30-35 percent stake in Chrysler in exchange for Fiat's platform, engines and transmission technology, sources told Automotive News Europe.

The Financial Times reported today that the two companies have signed a memorandum of understanding on the alliance, which could be announced within days. Another source told Automotive News that the agreement was signed on Friday, Jan. 16.

Snowdoggie
Snowdoggie Reader
1/19/09 3:49 p.m.
P71 wrote: I actually like the idea of FIAT/Chrysler. The 500 would be rocking here in the states and they have a lot of cool, quirky little cars perfect for $4/gal gas. Plus the extra capital needed to design the next-gen LX (300/Magnum/Charger/Challenger) and maybe get some interior quality into Chryslers (or at least somebody that knows how to match colors...). And carguy123 the most reliable brand of 2008 was Buick, a GM brand. So put that in your pipe and smoke it.

+10 on getting the Fiat 500 over here.

+20 on a Fiat Abarth 500. The Mini Cooper needs some competition.

jrw1621
jrw1621 Reader
1/19/09 3:54 p.m.

FIATsler

Small cars from Europe, RWD's for the Police Dept and Minivans for the families.

rebelgtp
rebelgtp HalfDork
1/19/09 4:07 p.m.

I like the idea, getting the 500 over here would be a kick. I don't need one where I'm at currently but once I get back to the city one would be great, was thinkin Mini until I heard this.

It will give Chrysler access to some small format cars to add to their line up. I don't see them ditching the big stuff like the Charger. They will more then likely keep those and some of the medium size rigs and of course the trucks going and use Fiat as a small car platform.

porksboy
porksboy HalfDork
1/19/09 5:59 p.m.

So an Abarth 500 is a small car with the Chrysler 500 engine in it? Sounds like something made by one of us.

HiTempguy
HiTempguy Reader
1/19/09 6:17 p.m.

http://www.fiat.co.uk/500abarth/

stroker
stroker New Reader
1/19/09 6:34 p.m.

God, it's about time.

Xceler8x
Xceler8x GRM+ Memberand HalfDork
1/19/09 6:49 p.m.

This doens't look so bad. Check out the specs:

Chassis Front McPherson strut, special racing shock absorbers, coaxial spring with nut for adjusting height of car.

Rear Inter-connected arms, special racing shock absorbers, springs with nut for adjusting height of car.

Drivetrain

Transmission M32 6 Speed

Layout Front Engine, FWD

Brakes Brembo radial front calliper with four pistons M4X40.

Engine

Displacement 1.4 Liters

Engine Type Turbocharged Inline 4

Horsepower 197 hp @ 6500 rpm

Torque 221 lbs-ft. @ 3000 rpm

Here's the whole deal-e-o.

NYG95GA
NYG95GA Dork
1/19/09 8:03 p.m.

Looks like a Fiat Neon ACR. I'd roll with it.

Luke
Luke Dork
1/19/09 8:54 p.m.

Did you see Clarkson's Abarth 500 review on TG?

He likened it to the Mk1 Golf/Rabbit GTI. High praise, indeed!

ddavidv
ddavidv SuperDork
1/20/09 6:14 a.m.

I've actually been inside the new 500. Trust me, it would sell in great numbers and give the MINI some trouble. It is very stylish yet functional.

As with anything Fiat or Alfa, I'll believe it all when I see the cars actually sitting at the dealership. Until then, I hold little faith in anything much coming from this. They've been promising the return of Alfa since the mid-1990s.

dyintorace
dyintorace GRM+ Memberand HalfDork
1/20/09 8:01 a.m.

Latest update. Seems to be moving ahead:

TURIN, Italy -- Fiat S.p.A. and Chrysler LLC confirmed today that the Italian company intends to acquire an initial 35 percent stake in the U.S. carmaker. In a joint statement, Fiat, Chrysler and Chrysler's majority shareholder Cerberus Capital Management L.P, said they have signed "a non-binding term sheet to establish a global strategic alliance." The pact "would provide Chrysler with access to competitive, fuel-efficient vehicle platforms, powertrains, and components to be produced at Chrysler manufacturing sites," the companies said. Under the terms of the deal, first reported on Monday by Automotive News Europe, Fiat would make available its distribution network in key growth markets. "Substantial cost savings opportunities" would be available to the alliance, the companies said. The transaction already has the blessing of the UAW. UAW President Ron Gettelfinger said in the press release: "This is great news for the UAW Chrysler team and we look forward to supporting and working with them to ensure Chrysler's long term viability." ...

4cylndrfury
4cylndrfury New Reader
1/20/09 8:38 a.m.
dyintorace wrote: Latest update. Seems to be moving ahead: UAW President Ron Gettelfinger said in the press release: "This is great news for the UAW Chrysler team and we look forward to supporting and working with them to ensure Chrysler's long term viability." ...

the only thing the UAW has "ensured" for Chrysler, or all of detroit for that matter, over the last 20 years is an exponential increase in the purchase of headache medicine

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