5 spd tandem??
5 spd tandem??
May I say here, as another witness to the "exposed" incident that the usual suspect was NOT the person who decided it was a good idea to have his junk in the wind at 10pm on a Friday night.
SVreX wrote:PhilStubbs wrote: I would also hate to see the whole team banned from the one member that is a problem.I COMPLETELY disagree with this. If a team can't control one of their members, why should GRM have to? (or the hotel, or the track official, or the other competitors, or the police) The only influence GRM has over the event is over the team. If GRM feels the need to levy a penalty, the ENTIRE team should be penalized. The problem will fix itself VERY quickly. I'll accept the same criteria. If anyone finds the behavior of one of my children unbecoming to the event or the magazine, BAN ME. I have no problem accepting responsibility for the behavior of my team.
Maybe I miss-understood or maybe you did. I fully accept the idea of DQing a team during the event if one of their members can't control themselves, what I don't want to see is that whole team not being allowed back cause of it.
are we referring to the friday night hotel parking lot situation?
In my opinion, everyone was awesome with one exception. I want to thank all involved in the late night wrench session on my Talon. At one point, we had 15 to 20 guys wrenching (BS-ing and drinking too) on my car. Class act guys!!!
In reference to the "incident": SInce I am the non-drinker of the event, I manned up and jumped on the grenade when the Sheriff arrived. I think he was a bit concerned when he arrived, but ended up finishing out his shift and hanging out with us.
At 2AM I left to go to my room, and a good little crew was partying on our dually and trailer. At 3AM, I looked out the window to see all garbage cleaned up, and people falling down drunk..........while picking up the lot. Again, class act. Even in an altered state, respectful of the property that we were guests of.
DUMONT wrote: are we referring to the friday night hotel parking lot situation?
No, this was in the area of the Hot Tub
I'll throw my hat in the ring of the "Ban the team for actions of its members" group.
It people want to associate themselves as a team, let them reap all consequences of it. I made sure all of our guys knew that if they embarrassed us, they would be sent home at their own expense. I don't want GRM to have to deal with an individual. If in the future an Aggie embarrasses our name, by all means send the entire team packing.
JThw8 wrote: ...Many other people have joined me in Misfit Toys Racing, and its grown to a point where they are doing events without me. But as long as they run under my team name I feel a responsibility, I feel its my reputation on the line. Luckily noone has done anything to tarnish that reputation but I would not feel hesitant in any way to tell folks running on my "team" that they were excused if they were acting the fool and causing problems for others...
Oh...um...in that case....you might want to avoid Oklahoma for a few years.. I mean nothing too bad, just until the statute of limitations runs out...
aussiesmg wrote: May I say here, as another witness to the "exposed" incident that the usual suspect was NOT the person who decided it was a good idea to have his junk in the wind at 10pm on a Friday night.
That wasn't exactly what I planned to see by the hot tub. Man junk isn't high on my priority list.
I'll throw another vote in (an absentee ballot since i wasnt there this year) to DQ an entire team based on the actions of any one or more members.
I have an extremely low tolerance for drama, bullE36 M3, and, to be honest, people in altered states. Anyone who DOESNT have a low tolerance for such things is probably not good for business, and the BUSINESS of GRM is what makes the event possible.
If the business relationships with the host hotel/venues are ever in danger, i think that takes absolute priority over any one participant.
Same here. I enjoy the drink as much or more than anyone, but show zero tolerance. Family friendly, or you're out. I would have no problem DQ'ing a team if their member(s) act inappropriately.
I'm gonna throw in my 2 cents as a third party that has not participated but has gone to several week long car conventions.
I think it would be right to DQ a team for a rowdy teammate. They should be setting their own rules prior to even arriving to the hotel/event/state. A ban from the editorial part of the event too should be put in place.
However I don't think it would be right to ban an entire team from future events, but I would understand a ban for said individual.
I do think a "committee" of past participants should be arranged to help set up rules to be put in place for the event, hotel, and hotel parking lot.
In reply to David S. Wallens:
Great idea. Then when a buddy starts acting a fool the team will likely escort them to the room/RV instead of giggling and hoping the cops don't show up.
I enjoy a good time, but having the hotel drop us or the cops show up is a real buzz kill.
Bryce
After the ban hammer drops I think there should be a way for said member to redeem his or her self. Perhaps a completion of an alcohol awareness course coupled with community service if drink was involved. If public nudity a 2000 word essay on how mens dangly bits function. If foul language in the presence of minors or ladies is involved perhaps a creative writing course at the local community college is in order.
I wasn't at the Challenge, but DAMN, do bad drunks annoy the crap out of me.
You're honestly less of a man when you can't control yourself when drunk. As a quiet, easily agitated-drunk, I have zero tolerance for these idiots whose need for attention from mommy and daddy manifests itself as a loud-mouthed, impulsive, uncontrollable a-hole once they have a few in them.
The Challenge is such a good-spirited event. If someone is behaving like an out-of-control frat boy, ejection is the only answer.
porksboy wrote: After the ban hammer drops I think there should be a way for said member to redeem his or her self.
Short: course work....lots of course work.
Detailed:
1) throw them out at the current event.
2) let them come back the next year as a course worker.
3) the third year, they can go back to competing
I didn't do it.
The sheep lied. 
Is the suspect a regular on this board?
In any case, I was not at the challenge and have never been at the challenge. I hope to go sometime. I'm a college student, I've certainly been too inebriated and done things that I do regret, things that I am embarrassed to have done. I've since given up heavy drinking. Since becoming a hockey referee, I have also adopted a zero tolerance for idiocy. Come down with harsh punishments and the players do not make the same mistake again. Here are my thoughts:
In the case of indecent exposure (which can get you on a sex offenders list if you get caught by the police), DQ the team and ban the individual for a specific time period. If the individual wishes to return after the time period, he must pay a $20xx fine (I am taking this idea from an auto club and an event with cones that banned a driver who is now a respected member of the community). Where that money goes--GRM or a local charity or the hotel or as a prize--could be up for debate. I feel like a ban would not be enough.
In regards to the drinking: do something like my RA my freshman year. She was off duty at 7:30, whatever happened after that was not her problem. Put in a rule: no drinking until a certain time, no drinking after a certain time. Perhaps 9:00PM to 1:00AM. Families have sufficient time to get in bed by 10:00PM; nobody should be so sloshed in an hour that they are overly disruptive. Hard to enforce though.
pretty longshot idea here:
If each team were to be required to deposit a 'good behavior' fee.. say a cpl a few hundred dollars at least (refundable at close of events, i.e. tear up the check) maybe teams would police their crew more closely. Act a fool... you lose it.
I know, I know.. it's a low dollar event but nothing hurts people more than their wallet.
DUMONT wrote: At 2AM I left to go to my room, and a good little crew was partying on our dually and trailer. At 3AM, I looked out the window to see all garbage cleaned up, and people falling down drunk..........while picking up the lot. Again, class act. Even in an altered state, respectful of the property that we were guests of.
That was not the case Sat night.
I would suggest DQing teams for offenses, consider banning individuals for repeat offenses.
Mental wrote:JThw8 wrote: ...Many other people have joined me in Misfit Toys Racing, and its grown to a point where they are doing events without me. But as long as they run under my team name I feel a responsibility, I feel its my reputation on the line. Luckily noone has done anything to tarnish that reputation but I would not feel hesitant in any way to tell folks running on my "team" that they were excused if they were acting the fool and causing problems for others...Oh...um...in that case....you might want to avoid Oklahoma for a few years.. I mean nothing too bad, just until the statute of limitations runs out...
What you do on your own time is between you and the sheep. Every time you have been with the team you have always been a part of the solution, helping to maintain order as needed :)
Am I the only one wonder how this is still a problem?
I've never been a party kind of person, and my team even skipped a Friday event since we were so tired. Although, we were not so tired to reward the team with a great dinner....
It's a PITA to deal with people who think it's fun to keep you up a night. I have no problem if you want to drink your night away- but I do if you think I should, too, since you are so loud that I can't sleep.
Sorry, but I think it's pretty pathetic that this is STILL an issue.
I obviously wasn't there. But I would agree that the whole team should be disqualified and banned. Under a couple conditions: One - That the rules of conduct are made extremely clear to everyone up front. You can't can't hold someone to your expectations if you haven't made your expectations clear. Two - That there be one warning to the team in the case that one person gets out of line when no other team members are around. They can't do anything about it if they aren't there. In general, banning the whole team will become a strong deterent at future events, giving the team members much more incentive to police their own.
I am the guy who brought the jackass (not the jackass myself) As soon as I was made aware of the problem I fixed it and rest assured it wont be a problem next year. I am truly sorry to everyone who was subjected to it.
I really don't know what else to say as I have no excuse for his actions and to say I am embarassed is an understatement. Again I am sorry.
The cops weren't there for us (Cam), I spoke to Officer Jenkins @ about 2:30 - 3:00 and he said they were called due to someone doing a burnout or reving there motor (noise ordianance as he called it) . This could have been a seperate incident..I don't know.
I have a great deal of passion for the event and respect for those who hold it, hopefully this can be seen in how far I travel and the effort I put into the car. I take it seriously and it saddens me that my efforts are overshawdowed by my jackass friend. This was my 3rd year in attendance and hopefully not my last. I came 22 hrs to compete and not babysit. Unfortunatley thats what I ended up doing.
He won't be back next year - but hopefully you guys will allow me to return.
Jonathan McCreery
I like the idea of DQing a team if a member behaves out of line. I'll be honest, I REALLY want to go to the challenge one day soon with the family, but some of the shenanigans I've read about have made me (slighly) hesitant - I like a drink as much (or more?) than the next guy, but some of the behavior seems over the top.
Don't get me wrong, I've heard fantastic stories about the camaraderie and the great times during the day...and REALLY want to bring something, (anything) to the challenge one day.
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