Factory Five design contest thread

^ can you get a 1/4 view from the ground plane. And put a top back on it. Looks good.

arif, As long as you are soliciting comments, I would suggest sliding those headlamps forward about 6" on the surface so the front doesn't have that "deer in the headlights" surprised look. This would lower them of course but they should still be above the legal minimum.

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olpro wrote: arif, As long as you are soliciting comments, I would suggest sliding those headlamps forward about 6" on the surface so the front doesn't have that "deer in the headlights" surprised look. This would lower them of course but they should still be above the legal minimum.

OK, thx. Here some alteration on headlight. Much better now...

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Next will be working on taillight...

rlfletch wrote: Another hat in the ring:

This one gets my vote. I love it. Simple, modern, and a subaru drivetrain seems to suit it perfectly.

In reply to arif: Very nice.

In reply to BipDBo: Thx. Here another version with hardtop. Thought...!?

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I like this anyway..!

Gotta spiced up the contest up a little. Here's my week 1 teaser for May as promised. Enjoy!

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showthread.php?338-Open-Design-Discussion-and-What-s-NEXT!&p=18077#post18077

In reply to arif: It looks sleek, but with that rendering, it's hard to see anything but a black mound on top of the car. If you match the color of the pillars and the roof to the rest of the car, the windows will become visible. The 818 may be eventually designed without doors. We know that it won't have roll-up windows. Perhaps a good add-on hardtop design would be lambo or gull-wing t-top like the Ultima GTR.

Here is the updated almost final side view of our first proposal:

By [URL=http://profile.imageshack.us/user/team_kt]team_kt[/URL] at 2011-05-03

By [URL=http://profile.imageshack.us/user/team_kt]team_kt[/URL] at 2011-05-03

We saw your comments about the fact that the car has a long bonnet for a mid engined vehicle but that's mostly because of the requirements. If you look at the templates you will see that the structure is too long at the front. However I will try to reduce that feeling in our second proposal. We will present more sketches soon ;)

BipDBo wrote: In reply to arif: It looks sleek, but with that rendering, it's hard to see anything but a black mound on top of the car. If you match the color of the pillars and the roof to the rest of the car, the windows will become visible. The 818 may be eventually designed without doors. We know that it won't have roll-up windows. Perhaps a good add-on hardtop design would be lambo or gull-wing t-top like the Ultima GTR.

Yes, it just black, no pillar. I just want to do quick idea how it will looks with hardtop. I will continue without top anyway.

In reply to arif:

I had to edit this post due to poor grammar.

Personally, I liked the original location of the headlights, but maybe with a smooth, clear fairing that would help with the aero. Also, the back end of the car, to me, looks a little bit too much like the Cobra. Also, this tail, without a wing, gives no downforce. What do you think about the back of the car looking more like the Daytona? The Daytona is another Shelby car in the Factory 5 stable, and the original was based on the AC Cobra chassis.

In reply to arif: Most of the submissions have tops, which isn't really what Factory 5 is looking for. Although they opened it up to the possibility of an add-on hartop in the future, they described their vision of the car to be like the Ariel Atom, but with a bit more of a body to make it more comfortable to drive on the road. I, therefore think that you shoud keep the design primarily as a roadster.

BipDBo wrote: In reply to arif: Most of the submissions have tops, which isn't really what Factory 5 is looking for. Although they opened it up to the possibility of an add-on hartop in the future, they described their vision of the car to be like the Ariel Atom, but with a bit more of a body to make it more comfortable to drive on the road. I, therefore think that you shoud keep the design primarily as a roadster.

Got it, thx.

Hi Arif,

I don't want to be discouraging, but please try to think more outside of the box than "Cobras". There are way to many of those out there already. This car is supposed to be mid-engined, so it should look like one. Not like a Cobra designed car. - there are enough kits out there for that.

Doesn't help that many Europeans couldn't care less about the Cobra shape. - We didn't grow up with the Cobra history. Especially people like me under age 30. Cobra's are pretty cars, no doubt, but many would love to see something "modern".

It would be great if designers can think outside of the box.

Nothing is set in stone. Even the tube frame can be changed. Get creative on the sketches. There are usually many steps between inspiration, sketch, design, prototype, production. Let's not skip the steps in between.

Part of the reason many designs have hard tops is because, it's what many users request. (see Factory Five forum thread) Not having a hard top is a deal breaker for many potential customers.

There is nothing wrong with steering away from the original project plan/suggestion if that's what customers want. Even Dave said he's flexible.

Guys- Here is something completely different from my other designs. See what you think... From Factory Five From Factory Five Few things are more fun than clipping apexes or cutting cones in an open cockpit, open wheel sports car. This car draws elements and inspiration from the Lotus Seven and one of the most brilliantly simple body designs of all time – the Meyers Manx.From Factory Five
This is designed as the new Seven. An elemental sports car with nothing on it that doesn’t make it go faster or comply with a regulation. Very simple. Very light. Easy to manufacture. It features step over cockpit entrance and open front wheels. Basic weather protection is provided by either a soft top and side curtains or a solid roll bar cover w/ rear window that allows fitting a t-bar for removable gull wing doors. In areas where regulations require, louvered front fenders could be installed.From Factory Five
It fits the chassis template and meets the call for a cheap, simple, basic sports car. There are no fads or gimmicks. The shape is very simple. Engine access is easy. Cost and weight targets could be met. The aero drag is increased by the open wheels to an estimated .46 coefficient of drag. That is a lot better than the original Seven and allows 300 hp to push the car to approximate top speed of 155 mph. This also matches the peak power point of the WRX turbo drive train in 6th gear. Higher top speeds are best left to cars such as the GTM.From Factory Five As Jay Leno says, most of the fun happens between 30 and 80 mph. This car is designed to maximize that fun.

Ignore my weak artwork. You guys have terrific artistic and rendering skills. If this is a pretty drawing contest, I am sunk.

Cooluser23 wrote: Hi Arif, I don't want to be discouraging, but please try to think more outside of the box than "Cobras". There are way to many of those out there already. This car is supposed to be mid-engined, so it should look like one. Not like a Cobra designed car. - there are enough kits out there for that. Doesn't help that many Europeans couldn't care less about the Cobra shape. - We didn't grow up with the Cobra history. Especially people like me under age 30. Cobra's are pretty cars, no doubt, but many would love to see something "modern". It would be great if designers can think outside of the box. Nothing is set in stone. Even the tube frame can be changed. Get creative on the sketches. There are usually many steps between inspiration, sketch, design, prototype, production. Let's not skip the steps in between.

Thx for commenting. I choose Cobra because I don't have idea how 818 design should looks like. I have been thinking to make extreme design, but I just found good idea last night. I like the next design would be something like KTM X-bow or Peugeot X1.

I don't recommend looking at other cars for inspiration. Maybe a redesign of that particular car. There are many inspirations you can get inspired by. i.e abstract forms, furnitures, nature, bicycle helmets, and etc. This is more original and fresh in term of designs. My designed was inspired by the simplicity of natures and elegant Swedish furnitures. The lines are harmony and cohesive to the inspiration of the products and nature. In reply to arif:

Hi all, here is my final entry for project 818. It's been a great challenge and journey and I've certainly learned a lot and have been inspired by the posts on here and the FFR forum. This is a modular concept designed to meet the requirements and budget of different customers. It includes an optional aluminum roof with a manually sliding targa top and side curtains.

Roadster shown with optional roof and stand

Hardtop installed with open and closed targa and side curtains

Challenge car

Tarmac rally special

reply to SPEEDBOY:

Wow that's awesome well done

In reply to Cooluser23:

The 818 is not going to look like a typical V12 mid engine "cab forward" car because of the engine. It has a boxer engine which is very short, so the distance between the cab and the rear wheel will be closer to that of a front engine car. Also, the wheelbase is very short, so in proportion the hood will look long and the roofline high. Also, why shorten the hood? When you have the weight of the engine behind you, you want a lot of crumple zone in front of you. Arif is designing around the guidelines given by Factory 5. You could design with different proportions and make it look like a Lamborghini, and it could be incredibly beautiful, but pointless for this contest. The 818 will has proportions most like a transverse mid engine car like an Ariel Atom. As for the Cobra design, I think it's beautiful, but I'm 32 years old, and grew up adoring the Cobra. When I was a kid, I even made a Cobra body for my RC Traxxas Bullet, which is a dirt car. I think it's really cool that Arif has brought the nose down a bit to adapt the muscular front engine Cobra to a mid engine design. Everyone's taste is different though, so you should check out Arif's other submission, which is his favotite anyway.

In reply to Argo1:

I like the concept, especially the gullwing doors.

Argo1, I like your design. :) It has a touch of "dune buggy", meets Smart Roadster. Looks very lightweight.

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