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pinchvalve
pinchvalve GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
5/11/17 10:00 a.m.

There it is, echoing the very first 911 produced. It has some special badging, so if you see it at CarMax in a few years, snatch this one up!

Duke
Duke MegaDork
5/11/17 10:09 a.m.

Just for comparison, ChryCo produced 1,000,000 first-generation Neons in less than 4 years.

RossD
RossD UltimaDork
5/11/17 11:01 a.m.

In reply to Duke:

I bet there are more 911s driving around than first gen Neons.

aircooled
aircooled MegaDork
5/11/17 11:04 a.m.

The Beetle did it in 1955!

Quite Pimpish'

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
5/11/17 11:08 a.m.

The Miata just did it last year. Which is interesting, I figured the 911 would be higher production than that for some reason. 1M Miatas in 27 years, 1M 911s in 54.

tomtomgt356
tomtomgt356 GRM+ Memberand Reader
5/11/17 11:08 a.m.
Blaise
Blaise New Reader
5/11/17 11:10 a.m.
RossD wrote: In reply to Duke: I bet there are more 911s driving around than first gen Neons.

Driveable 911s? Yes. Actually being driven regularly? Unlikely.

Vigo
Vigo UltimaDork
5/11/17 11:18 a.m.

As both a Neon and 911 owner (at different times) I don't feel any urge to denigrate the Neon. If Porsche made anything analogous to the 1st gen Neon it would have been an extremely significant and well received car.. that probably would not have broken down any LESS than a neon anyway. Actually, both my neons had less problems at 220k than my 911 does at 120k.

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
5/11/17 11:39 a.m.

I sat in the back seat of a base model first gen Neon at the dealership. I think bare plywood with splinters would have been more comfortable. Never took the rest of the car's engineering seriously after that.

red_stapler
red_stapler Dork
5/11/17 11:58 a.m.
Keith Tanner wrote: I sat in the back seat of a base model first gen Neon at the dealership. I think bare plywood with splinters would have been more comfortable. Never took the rest of the car's engineering seriously after that.

That's the exact seat that you want to carry around because the SCCA rules don't allow you to remove it.

Blaise
Blaise New Reader
5/11/17 12:00 p.m.
Keith Tanner wrote: I sat in the back seat of a base model first gen Neon at the dealership. I think bare plywood with splinters would have been more comfortable. Never took the rest of the car's engineering seriously after that.

I went across the country in that very back seat several times. It was discontinued after '96 bc nobody bought one with one. Except my dad of course, who paid I believe $9900 for his brand new. No rear defrost, no passenger mirror. Base as they come.

RossD
RossD UltimaDork
5/11/17 12:10 p.m.

I wasn't trying to harp on the Neon. I was just guessing at a fact. A guess based on the fact that the Neon is/was an economy car, and as such, tend to be a disposable car.

I don't know if I'd be willing to guess if there are more Miatas still driving compared to 911s.

aircooled
aircooled MegaDork
5/11/17 12:11 p.m.
Vigo wrote: ...If Porsche made anything analogous to the 1st gen Neon it would have been an extremely significant and well received car...

I think they did:

Did the the 924 have "back seat"?

gearheadmb
gearheadmb Dork
5/11/17 12:13 p.m.
Keith Tanner wrote: I sat in the back seat of a base model first gen Neon at the dealership. I think bare plywood with splinters would have been more comfortable. Never took the rest of the car's engineering seriously after that.

It was a better backseat than the 911 ever had.

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
5/11/17 12:19 p.m.
gearheadmb wrote:
Keith Tanner wrote: I sat in the back seat of a base model first gen Neon at the dealership. I think bare plywood with splinters would have been more comfortable. Never took the rest of the car's engineering seriously after that.
It was a better backseat than the 911 ever had.

Touche! I've never even been in a 911, come to think of it.

Mike
Mike GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
5/11/17 12:50 p.m.

The 911 back seat has been sorta "well, this part of the body is kinda back seat shaped. Let's stick a lawn chair cushion on it and call it a day."

KyAllroad
KyAllroad PowerDork
5/11/17 1:07 p.m.

Toyota sells that many Camrys every 2.2 years. For the past 20 years or so....

wheels777
wheels777 SuperDork
5/11/17 1:10 p.m.

1964 Chevrolet Full size car 1,381,600......1 year. Half of them are still on the road. Just sayin'.

joey48442
joey48442 PowerDork
5/11/17 3:08 p.m.

I think to make it a good comparison you have to somehow match mileage. I'm sure there are a bunch of 911 in garages with low mileag, that will theoretically last forever because of so few miles. Probably similar but to a lesser degree Miata's. I'm sure there aren't a lot of neons being preserved for future generations...

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
5/11/17 3:25 p.m.
wheels777 wrote: 1964 Chevrolet Full size car 1,381,600......1 year. Half of them are still on the road. Just sayin'.

Half?

Appleseed
Appleseed MegaDork
5/11/17 3:30 p.m.
joey48442 wrote: I think to make it a good comparison you have to somehow match mileage. I'm sure there are a bunch of 911 in garages with low mileag, that will theoretically last forever because of so few miles. Probably similar but to a lesser degree Miata's. I'm sure there aren't a lot of neons being preserved for future generations...

By that analogy, on a long enough time line, a Neon will be worth more.

aircooled
aircooled MegaDork
5/11/17 3:34 p.m.
Keith Tanner wrote:
wheels777 wrote: 1964 Chevrolet Full size car 1,381,600......1 year. Half of them are still on the road. Just sayin'.
Half?

Yes, half of them are left. Usually the top half:

Trivia: the above Corvair was once owned by Carl Sagan. The owner (shown) did the very large job of restoring it and repairing all the rust (there was a LOT).

https://www.hemmings.com/blog/2014/07/11/cosmic-provenance-the-resurrection-of-carl-sagans-corvair-spyder/

wheels777
wheels777 SuperDork
5/11/17 4:54 p.m.
Keith Tanner wrote:
wheels777 wrote: 1964 Chevrolet Full size car 1,381,600......1 year. Half of them are still on the road. Just sayin'.
Half?

Figurative, nothing more. But....

Pete Gossett
Pete Gossett GRM+ Memberand UltimaDork
5/11/17 7:29 p.m.
Vigo wrote: If Porsche made anything analogous to the 1st gen Neon it would have been an extremely significant and well received car.. that probably would not have broken down any LESS than a neon anyway.

Sort of backwards, but that's basically the ACVW, right?

crankwalk
crankwalk GRM+ Memberand Dork
5/11/17 7:41 p.m.
wheels777 wrote: 1964 Chevrolet Full size car 1,381,600......1 year. Half of them are still on the road. Just sayin'.

And that's a cool piece of trivia but numbers sold is zero indication on how "good" or significant a car is.

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