Prayed for three friends and checked on two today. I don't know what in the world happened to this thread, but apparently I need to do better at checking on my GRM friends. Some of them are -not- OK.
Prayed for three friends and checked on two today. I don't know what in the world happened to this thread, but apparently I need to do better at checking on my GRM friends. Some of them are -not- OK.
Junkers said:AnthonyGS (Forum Supporter) said:Junkers said:I'll just put one simple question out there. Drop all of your emotions and resentments and answer it honestly and plainly.
Why do humans need love?
They don't need it. It helps make life a lot better though. They want it.
Not so. Humans DO need love. Think more about it and then try to answer the question of why we need love.
Not a need. Oxygen, water, food and shelter those are needs. There are plenty of hermits too. Humans thrive with love, but it's not a need. You could argue there is less love in the world today and we see the effect on society. It's still not a need.
In reply to AnthonyGS (Forum Supporter) :
People in long term loving relationships live longer........I'd call it a need.
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If you ever think YOU are not capable of racism, slavery, genocide, etc. think again! It's inside of each one of the cowards who've brigaded against me - and I've brought it out of each of them. Scroll up and you'll see that multiple posts of mine have been hidden by excessive downvotes. Open them and you'll see I've directed no negative energy toward anyone here. I've drawn out the bad energy within each of my attackers (only two) but they've gathered an army of cowards to vote me down and hide my posts - it was the only power they've had. I've nothing wrong and everything right. The only rule I could've broken is to NOT FLATTER PEOPLE'S EGOS? GRM has also not banned me - good for them.
Notice how my detractors talked toward one another in agreement against me. They can't converse with me in a sane or rational or calm state because their ego tricked them into making me the enemy -and the enemy must be KILLED to SAVE the ego. In their error of judging me, they've found no positive, profitable energy they can benefit from. (They were shouting at the walls and banging on their keyboards at me but it didn't get them a good feeling so they had to conjure up a good feeling from another person on this forum. It is THIS which REQUIRES the "judge" to seek positive affirmation from another fellow sinner - another fellow "judge." Have you ever seen monkeys form a coalition against a strong enemy? This is the point in which both judges feel good (feel god) about themselves - but the paradox is that they couldn't do that without the help of the other sinner. Isn't that fascinating? What energy did they conjure up and realize? Was it good energy (god energy) or wicked/evil/hate energy? The BIG POINT of what I've been driving at has now been proven once again: MONSTERS RUB EACH OTHERS' SLIMY BACKS. This is the love that theives and robbers shower each other with. One guy has an impure motive to flatter the other guy because he wishes to receive an equal and opposite flattery. Mr T above and Mr P above have now become good friends because as they say, "the enemy of my enemy is my friend (fiend)." They both come back at me distorting my words so that I sound like I've been saying, "don't check up on your friends... that's bad," but I never said that or meant anything like that. Emotional people are like communists - they see only black and white in everything.
So the bad part about a true democracy is that the majority can vote laws against the minority. WWII Germany was a nation of laws. Unfortunately it became illegal to exist while being Jewish for a portion of that history. Some people wanna make it illegal to show them their own ugliness.
So if you've downvoted me, come out and apologize to me and you'll be a real man. Then, I will forgive you entirely and we can be real friends. If you're not sorry for your downvote, sleep good tonight: You're a coward and I got you.
And to Mr. "T" above, I got you best of all. I'll bet I've seriously put a damper on you praying to your wife each night. She needs you to stand up to her with well-timed correction, she doesn't need a court jester. Every time you shower her with your kind of perverse love, you'll think of me joining with your conscience to poison the praise-fest. Give up the wife worship: It's not good for you and not good for her.
Meanwhile, innocent little truthteller me has only hurt and damaged EGOS and not people. EGOs are not people, but they need people to give them a home and feed them with evil energy. And the only choice you have in this life is to be allied with good energy or bad energy. Choosing bad energy only shortens life.
Furthermore, to really drive in the last runners on base, during this whole thread I've never felt a high from trouncing anyone or a low from the downvotes, brigading, smears, or defamations. Don't YOU all want to have that power? I'm passing it out for free and I've got no takers! That's how powerful the ego is: If I wake you up, you'll begin starving it to death. And hating me only hurts you more. Take care now. Watch that anger/resentment. If you're lucky you'll suffer a few bad nights of sleep. If you're not, you'll suffer a car wreck or something worse. I hope not. Only you have the power of choice. Remember, give up the hate (but you can't do it).
In reply to Junkers :
I think you have the wrong forum: Grass Roots Mental-health is the next room over.
I suggest you venture over there; it's full of amateur psychologists and philosophers such as yourself.
Should you wish to contribute in a meaningful way to David's fine post I'm sure you'd be welcome here...........if not I'm sure Majorie the great slayer of trolls will be along shortly.
PS My wife is still a friggin saint..............she made a pot roast for dinner while I tinkered with my race car........Slan, Amadan.
Vajingo, is that you??
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AnthonyGS (Forum Supporter) said:Junkers said:AnthonyGS (Forum Supporter) said:Junkers said:I'll just put one simple question out there. Drop all of your emotions and resentments and answer it honestly and plainly.
Why do humans need love?
They don't need it. It helps make life a lot better though. They want it.
Not so. Humans DO need love. Think more about it and then try to answer the question of why we need love.
Not a need. Oxygen, water, food and shelter those are needs. There are plenty of hermits too. Humans thrive with love, but it's not a need. You could argue there is less love in the world today and we see the effect on society. It's still not a need.
Well, is an immune system a need? It certainly provides a need. Yeah, you can live as a hermit, but you can't live healthy or have any sort of purpose in life. The Unabomber was a worst-case hermit, while most others are useless to themselves, others and humanity. Humans need love to be healthy and fulfill a real purpose in life. I think Maslow's Heirarchy of Needs may help me make my point on this matter - no point in my boring you with it. Now take a newborn baby and supply all of its needs through a robotic mother so it gets no love. Personally, I don't know what would happen, but it won't be pretty! Maybe the kid dies!?
As a side point: Humans are much more than animals - even the animal kingdom testifies to that: No animal will attack a human who holds the proper energy. They WILL attack humans with weak energy (fear, anger, doubtful people, unfocused people, etc.). I'm glad you can see that there is less love in the world - I can agree with you there. Animals certainly do not need love. For that matter, a 3-legged dog is as "happy" as any 4-legged dog. So that begs the question, "what is happiness?" Perhaps it relates to love? Let's not go there quite yet.
Going back to the newborn baby: What kind of love shall we give the baby? I've identified supportive love and made it separate from corrective love. What does the real mother supply her newborn baby with? Well, it's a sort of nurturing love, isn't it? Is it supportive? Is it corrective? Perhaps some degree of both? Let's say mother does some "helicopter parenting" and protects baby from all potential damage. I'd argue that is more of the supportive kind of love where mother acts like a set of crutches that never come off -sounds exhausting being that momma! Now let's take the opposite form of corrective love in the form of a stern father: In the hands of stern daddy away from mother, the newborn gets all of his needs but he gets no "love" from daddy. He's only receiving attention from daddy when he does something wrong because daddy only gives the corrective form of love to whack him back into shape. If he truly does not need supportive love, he'll grow up healthy and happy and fulfill his mission in life by only receiving daddy's corrective love. Really, it's more likely this kid grows up to hate his overbearing, cold-hearted daddy. So when you are missing a proper balance of love from father and mother, you'll live but you won't be healthy in the true sense.
Have I made a pretty good case for every child needing both a father and mother here? Whoops! There I go again offending people. (I say they need to be offended)
So Anthony, do you agree? Any fault in what I've said? Stop me here before we go on.
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Tom1200 said:In reply to Junkers :
I think you have the wrong forum: Grass Roots Mental-health is the next room over.
I suggest you venture over there; it's full of amateur psychologists and philosophers such as yourself.
Should you wish to contribute in a meaningful way to David's fine post I'm sure you'd be welcome here...........if not I'm sure Majorie the great slayer of trolls will be along shortly.
PS My wife is still a friggin saint..............she made a pot roast for dinner while I tinkered with my race car........Slan, Amadan.
Your wife is your god, not your saint. Now go tell her that you forgive her.
Tom1200 said:In reply to AnthonyGS (Forum Supporter) :
People in long term loving relationships live longer........I'd call it a need.
I agree with you, Tom. Now can we be friends?
Junkers said:Tom1200 said:In reply to AnthonyGS (Forum Supporter) :
People in long term loving relationships live longer........I'd call it a need.
I agree with you, Tom. Now can we be friends?
Sure, I have lots of friends who can't seem to stay on topic.
Tom1200 said:Junkers said:Tom1200 said:In reply to AnthonyGS (Forum Supporter) :
People in long term loving relationships live longer........I'd call it a need.
I agree with you, Tom. Now can we be friends?
Sure, I have lots of friends who can't seem to stay on topic.
Nice!
In reply to Junkers :
And there in lies the problem with the hidden-post downvote system... When someone experiences enough of it, they tend to see it through a self-victimizing lens of persecution, rather than the subtle guiding 'corrective loving' suggestion that perhaps some additional self-reflection and introspection may be prudent... As it was actually intended to be.
If it really pains your EGO that much for your judgmental beliefs (which are just being used to try hiding that which is broken inside) to not be the center of discussion, please just start your own thread in the off-topic section where it can all be delved into more deeply and appropriately.
In reply to AnthonyGS (Forum Supporter) :
I'll defer to Maslow on that one.
is it as core as food? No. Is it a need? Yes. But maybe you're not ready to handle the truth. (Yes that's a joke.)
In reply to dculberson :
belonging and loving takes precedence.............why?
My wife makes sure I don't do anything really stupid.....safety
She makes sure I eat right; without her I'd live on a steady diet of hot dogs and pork rinds.......physiology.
Maybe I wasn't clear on that one. That is maslows hierarchy of needs. Love is third only behind addressing our physiological and safety needs which makes it very much a need.
Spitsix said:Wow - three heavy hitters
Kas Kastner, Kirk F. White and Mike Cook!
I know! All were also always kind and generous with their time.
I know that we often don't enjoy talking about death, but at the same time, we should remember those who did good.
May their memory be a blessing.
Tom1200 said:Should you wish to contribute in a meaningful way to David's fine post I'm sure you'd be welcome here...
Not one word uttered by him so far has been relevant. I doubt he has enough courtesy for all us unenlightened unwashed masses to be considerate this point.
Remember, he doesn't have to, since it's just that we are not capable of understanding.
In reply to Driven5 :
In this case, the down votes seem to be putting across exactly what it appears. Seems like no one here thinks his bairly intelligible drivel is related to the original post.
It's just not a conspiracy, like he has to tell himself.
As a disclaimer, I only check back from time to time to see the positive things of the O. P. I have not touched down vote (haven't needed to) and have no clue who has.
He has been asked to start his own thread, but apparently does not have enough consideration to do so.
In reply to David S. Wallens :
A friend of mine is a long time GT-6 racer and befriended Kas Kastner he has nothing but glowing words about him.
In reply to Tom1200 :
Kas would always–always–reply with the kindest e-mails. Ditto Mike Cook.
We just had a death in the family. It does cause you to pause.
And sorta related to all of this, I just got a postcard–like an actual, hand-written postcard–from a college friend. She just wanted to say that she was glad that we made it through the hurricane.
You can't put a price on that.
Just an update that a scholarship has been founded in Howie’s honor.
Info here: Howie Liebengood Memorial Scholarship Endowment.
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