We have been messing with the tire wear series car. At this point it's between the Miata (494p) and the GTR (unlimited, it's the 09 Spec V I think, it's the last street car in the Nissan dealership). The GTR is pretty crazy (maybe too crazy) but it WILL burn through tire and fuel. We need to decide on any limiters if we go with the Miatas.
We might play with RUF's, and for a goof I put out a 400pp, CM tire, Suzuki challenge, just to mess with some small cars (maybe we can try a small track like London with these).
At this point the next series is looking like:
We could go either way with what day each is on, but if anyone has a preference (e.g. wants to do long races, but can't race on Wednesday)
Any suzuki?
Avoid the race cars please
Some fun testing tonight. I am in favor of another Coffee Car or Buzz Box series at about 400pp on CM. They were fun. The Miata's at around 500pp are a blast and seem to wear tires fast enough to have a pit stop series with them.
I agree with Argo. I also think the RUF series may drive more people away than actually promote fun.
For next Sunday. We will be testing the:
"484 five doors or more" series.
As the title sais cars with five doors or more. Tuned to 484 pp. Mini vans and station wagons are encouraged.
I went looking in my inventory and found I have at least 6 cars that qualify and I will have to look at a couple more that I could not tell.
Street cars only no race cars or prototypes.
Comfort soft tires
Trans and power (with the 10% reduction rule) adjustments only to 484 pp. No other adjustments allowed*
I am hoping that this would work well as a companion series to the Suzuki series.
This series comes from the testing of the max tune odyssey and the awd Toyota wagons we were running. They were very equal using these tuning regulations. I also found the alteza wagon to Be a fun contender. Although it was very loose on the power. I am hoping that at this pp and these tires it will promote equality between the various drivelines that you can get.
I think we should use the Miata's not the GTR. I also think we should pull the RUF series for now and do somthing else.
Thank goodness. Those RUFs were more prestige than good cars to race with. The Miatas are also much better than the GTR with it's funky handling. Still, running 90s Japanese tuner cars and using at least 3 different ones will bring in some variety you guys were talking about.
Regarding the the Suzuki series: You might consider opening that up to other city cars, it seemed like the Swift was a bit of ringer. Maybe a Really Small Bore Cup? City cars are defined as under 660cc. Maybe bump that to 1L?
Also, we might want to test a few more rally tracks with those. That might an equalizer for the MR and FF vs the 4WD.
I was going to suggest opening up the suzuki series to all kei-class cars as well. I like the 1000cc suggestion as well as including rally courses over the course of the season.
Is there going to be a "spirit of the rules" kind of thing as the city cars are not sports cars. I think there may be some ringers in the 1l or less that are sports cars. This would open it up to the fiat, and others yes?
Dirt tracks might equalize the sports cars a bit.
I like throwing in some different tracks like dirt tracks. Dirt tracks don't have pits so the Miata series would have to stay on pavement.
I like opening up the Kei car series to others besides the Suzuki's. Might need some testing but I ran the S800 Honda and some Daihatsu something or other. They both seemed competitive but not ringers.
Been looking at the 484 cars and I think we are going to have to put a price limit on these. There are some Audi, BMW, lancia, Renault that are probably ringers. I also am wondering about the higher end subarus.
I came up with 32 cars for the 484 series but I think we will probibly eliminate 8 of them. There are a couple that need weight removed to make the pp. Basically a car has to start at 360 pp to get to 484. The minimum pp that a car can get to 484 with weight reduction is about 340 pp.
I also like the idea of the Kei car series, they were a lot of fun to play around with the other night. Is that full tuner or more Muscle car tuner?
The way we ran them on we'd was full tuner, but I mentioned to Dean that MC tune would make them easier to test. Full tune might encourage variety. Something to decide.
Car list
Chrysler pt cruiser. 16390 ff 356
Ford focus st 13 24500 ff 429
Pontiac vib GT 03 21120 ff 376
Daihatsu sirion x4j 00 13900 4wd 364
Mazda demio sport 03 14500 ff 341
Mazda demio sport 10 14500 ff 347
Mazda axela 23s 03 19500 ff 387
Mitsubishi airtrek turbo r 02 22950 4wd 408
Mitsubishi legnumur4 type v 98 28500 4wd 420
Nissan march 12sr 07 17830 ff 344
Nissan stagea25t RS fours 98 32600 4wd 417
Nissan stages260 RS aototech version 98 45000 4wd 417
Subaru legacy touring wagon 3.0 R 30000 4wd 417
Subaru legacy touring wagon gtb 96 29330 4wd 417
Subaru legacy touring wagon 2.0 GT spec B 03 30300 4wd 440
Subaru legacy touring wagon 2.0 GT 03 28800 4wd 441
Subaru Impreza sports wagon wrx sti variation VI 99 29190 4wd 452
Subaru Impreza sports wagon sti ( type I) 00 29980 4wd 453
Subaru Impreza wrx sti 07 36540 4wd 461
Subaru Impreza wrx sti spec c 09 36855 4wd 470
Toyota corolla runx 2 aerotourer 02 20080 ff 387
Toyota will us 01 20500 ff 388
Toyota altezza gita as300 01 27600 Fr 405
Toyota caldina GT four 02 27100 4wd 425
Audi rs4 04 41380 4wd 472
Audi rs6 avant 117060 4wd 486
BMW 129i 04 31940 Fr 365
Lancia delta hr intrigral evduzione 54500 4wd 401
Renault avantineoz 52570 ff 375
Renault sport megane RS 08 41000 ff 414
VW golf IV gti 01 31500 ff 362
This is my initial list I am thinking of putting a price cap on this list with maybe a couple exceptions. I purchased all these cars we need to test a bunch of them to see if there are any ringers or any that are real dogs.
thx for the list dean , i will grab em all and do some testing tonight and post my results . had great time on wed, had a blast trying to chase Argo down in the miata.
With the city cars I liked full tuning BUT it could be limited to the preset race soft or face hard setting. I found this greatly improves the way these cars handle, keeping them fun, but would limit the amount of tuning available so people would not have to spend alot of time tuning.
Another thing. If we run the Miata's some of us should post the car we are driving with the tune. Newer people can then jump in and have a decent baseline to start with. Many of us that ran the spec Miata's have a full season of tuning and tweaking of our cars so we would have an advantage.
I had a grew time in the Miata's as well. They are grew fun
I also liked the Toyota test we did those cars were fun.
Any result's Madd???
My NB Miata tune is just the standard race soft or hard suspension (depending on track) with diff and brake adjustments. That is all I ran in the last series.
In reply to dean1484: Why do you want a price limit on the 484pp wagons? Also, what tires are we running with them?
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