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Spoolpigeon
Spoolpigeon UberDork
11/20/15 2:13 p.m.

In reply to dean1484:

I suggested it, so of course I'm in!!! I love that damn car.

dean1484
dean1484 GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
11/20/15 5:12 p.m.

In reply to Spoolpigeon:

That's it. No return smack down. Now I am worried.

dean1484
dean1484 GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
11/20/15 8:24 p.m.

Ok

Tested all three of the proposed FF cars and they are. . . FF cars. If you all like these plow pigs speak up and we can run them. The alpha was probably the most entertaining and I was on the cs tires. A bump in power and tires would many help some. I just never understood the fun in plowing in to and out of corners. These are just like the omni glh race cars I tested back in the early 90s.

dean1484
dean1484 GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
11/20/15 8:27 p.m.

For the most part I can tune these issues out if this is going to be a tuner series. The civic sauce and I ran in the HH series was a blast once I got it tuned.

Spoolpigeon
Spoolpigeon UberDork
11/20/15 8:32 p.m.

In reply to dean1484:

Run a step or two down on the rear tires. That makes the FF cars quite fun. I like the Mito on CS front, CH rear.

aircooled
aircooled MegaDork
11/20/15 8:32 p.m.

The spec stock Integras where not that bad.

dean1484
dean1484 GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
11/20/15 9:02 p.m.

I have driven better pickups.

dean1484
dean1484 GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
11/20/15 9:05 p.m.
Spoolpigeon wrote: In reply to dean1484: Run a step or two down on the rear tires. That makes the FF cars quite fun. I like the Mito on CS front, CH rear.

Yep. That is a fun way to run these

failboat
failboat UberDork
11/21/15 4:05 a.m.

Maybe we leave tire choice open on the ff cars. RH or less your choice.

Mr_Clutch42
Mr_Clutch42 SuperDork
11/21/15 5:08 a.m.
dean1484 wrote: Ok Tested all three of the proposed FF cars and they are. . . FF cars. If you all like these plow pigs speak up and we can run them. The alpha was probably the most entertaining and I was on the cs tires. A bump in power and tires would many help some. I just never understood the fun in plowing in to and out of corners. These are just like the omni glh race cars I tested back in the early 90s.

Try my Alfa with SH tires for a couple of laps, it's better. I'm not going to suggest any stock cars with Comfort anything this season (since I struggle with them some ) I will test a few cars for a stock series later today, with just a possible tire change. I do have a suggestion, but I want to have at least a 3 car list.

Argo1
Argo1 GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
11/21/15 10:55 a.m.

I'm never a fan of FF or anything on Comfort tires but I will leave it to you guys as I will be a part-timer at best.

e30Matt
e30Matt Dork
11/21/15 12:42 p.m.

Dean, the Alfa is better on SH tires, but does still have a tendency to understeer. It's a bit like the Garaiya in that you have to get it set up for the corner a certain way, and if you get it right it's quite rewarding. If not, then the front end wants to wash out.

I thought the mm-R was actually quite neutral and only really pushed if you came in too hot or were on the gas too hard too early,though with such low power and RH tires the latter didn't happen often for me.

The Integra requires patience with the throttle or it will push badly at exit. That is a car that I think would really benefit from some tuning.

Spoolpigeon
Spoolpigeon UberDork
11/21/15 4:04 p.m.

How bout reviving the ice race series? That was a riot.

e30Matt
e30Matt Dork
11/21/15 4:10 p.m.

In reply to Spoolpigeon:

I'd be down for a rally/low grip series but I think it would require a fair amount of testing that we don't have time for before this series starts. Not a bad idea for next time though.

dean1484
dean1484 GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
11/21/15 6:01 p.m.

At the end of the day I don't really care what we run as long as the fields are close and we have good racing.

dean1484
dean1484 GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
11/21/15 6:04 p.m.

In reply to e30Matt:

We should try one after the F40.

aircooled
aircooled MegaDork
11/21/15 8:35 p.m.
dean1484 wrote: At the end of the day I don't really care what we run as long as the fields are close and we have good racing.

But Spool keeps showing up no matter what we do!

aircooled
aircooled MegaDork
11/21/15 8:36 p.m.

What was the ice racing again? Was that 4wd cars on comfort hards?

Spoolpigeon
Spoolpigeon UberDork
11/21/15 8:48 p.m.
aircooled wrote: What was the ice racing again? Was that 4wd cars on comfort hards?

Specifically rally cars. Of course we could use street cars to try to keep a GRM theme. Like excluding the EVO and WRX/STi to force variety. I just remember that series as being stupid fun. Huuuuuuuuuuge 4wd drifting for majority of the time.

aircooled
aircooled MegaDork
11/21/15 9:20 p.m.

OK, I think I remember that one. As I remember we ran an event at the small Matterhorn track, and ended up with a massive CF in one of the super tight hairpins!

Mr_Clutch42
Mr_Clutch42 SuperDork
11/21/15 11:33 p.m.

Ok, I tested some slightly off beat cars (buy all of these), and these are how much I like them in order:

  1. Pagani Zonda C12'00

  2. Shelby Series One Super Charged '03

  3. Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution X GSR P.P. '07

  4. TVR Tuscan Speed 6' 00

  5. Subaru Impreza WRX STI spec C '09

  6. Ford Mustang SVT Cobra R '00

  7. Audi TTS Coupe '09

If the Evolution X is too close to the earlier Evolution series you guys did because it's the newest car, we can skip it. The Zonda is not surprising that it's the best car, but the big surprise I found is that the Tuscan Speed 6 isn't clearly 2nd, or even challenge the Zonda for the best out of the group. TVR should have been able to make it better stock, IMO. The Zonda is pricey, but we all can earn 300,000 or so credits real quick with one of the seasonal events.

dean1484
dean1484 GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
11/22/15 8:53 a.m.
dean1484 wrote: This is the car set I was thinking of to see if we can make a series.
  • 500 Ford Mustang Boss 302 2013 45,000 North America Premium FR
  • 498 SRT Charger SRT8 2011 46,660 North America Premium FR
  • 498 Chevrolet Camaro SS 2010 35,000 North America Premium FR
  • 490 SRT Challenger SRT8 2008 40,027 North America Premium FR
  • 443 Ford Mustang V8 GT Coupe Premium 2007 48,500 North America Premium FR
  • 456 Chrysler 300C 2005 34,780 North America Standard FR
  • 451 Ford Mustang GT 2005 25,950 North America Standard FR
  • 468 Pontiac GTO 5.7 Coupe 2004 34,490 North America Standard FR
  • 460 Chevrolet Camaro SS 2000 22,150 North America Standard FR

I have been testing these and I have found that weight is much more important than hp. I am going to test these all again all set to a common minimum eight. And see what that does.

Mr_Clutch42
Mr_Clutch42 SuperDork
11/22/15 10:49 a.m.

In reply to dean1484: Is this something that we're testing for this series?

And my car list is all stock with SH tires.

dean1484
dean1484 GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
11/22/15 5:18 p.m.

In reply to Mr_Clutch42:

I am seeing if there is a formula to run these as a modern mucel car series. And i think I have found it

1550 kg min 510 pp max RH tires Trans to what ever it defaults to Race suspension to default

So far these seem very equal and there is quite a diversity in cars and how they handle.

I am testing as I type this

dean1484
dean1484 GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
11/22/15 5:20 p.m.

Testing at gve with the 1550/510 ruel set

  • 500 Ford Mustang Boss 302 2013 45,000 North America Premium FR 1:06.8
  • 498 SRT Charger SRT8 2011 46,660 North America Premium FR 1:06.2
  • 498 Chevrolet Camaro SS 2010 35,000 North America Premium FR 1:06.0
  • 490 SRT Challenger SRT8 2008 40,027 North America Premium FR 1:06.3
  • 443 Ford Mustang V8 GT Coupe Premium 2007 48,500 North America Premium FR 1:08.1
  • 456 Chrysler 300C 2005 34,780 North America Standard FR 1:06.0
  • 451 Ford Mustang GT 2005 25,950 North America Standard FR 1:07.6
  • 468 Pontiac GTO 5.7 Coupe 2004 34,490 North America Standard FR 1:07.4
  • 460 Chevrolet Camaro SS 2000 22,150 North America Standard FR 1:07.2
  • 476 Ford Mustang SVT Cobra R 2000 57,300 North America Standard FR 1:06.4
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