C8 Corvette: One Week Later

It’s been a week since the all-new, mid-engined Corvette dropped, and the conversation is still going on.

Our unofficial tally says that the C8 has more fans than detractors. What says you?

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spacecadet
spacecadet Dork
7/26/19 1:54 p.m.

In reply to David S. Wallens :

The corvette brand has gained more fans than it has lost. And the unhappy people will probably now get pushed to go buy a C7. so GM wins either way! 

David S. Wallens
David S. Wallens Editorial Director
7/26/19 2:13 p.m.

In reply to spacecadet :

I think you're right about the Corvette picking up new fans. And I'm looking at the car at the top of this page. Looks good. 

secretariata
secretariata SuperDork
7/26/19 2:14 p.m.

If the reported entry price of under $60k holds true it is a serious bargain. 

From the photos, I don't like the barrier between the driver and passenger. Maybe it isn't as bad in person?

David S. Wallens
David S. Wallens Editorial Director
7/26/19 2:22 p.m.

In reply to secretariata :

I'm wondering if it's like the ND MX-5. When the photos were leaked, everyone freaked out about the in-dash screen. In reality, though, it never bothered me. 

T.J.
T.J. MegaDork
7/26/19 2:29 p.m.

I am a fan.

81cpcamaro
81cpcamaro Dork
7/26/19 2:50 p.m.

I am a fan as well, turned out a bit better than it could have. Still can't afford one, maybe some day.

z31maniac
z31maniac MegaDork
7/26/19 3:04 p.m.

I really like it! The only that looks really "off" to me is that weird spine down the center console.

NOT A TA
NOT A TA Dork
7/26/19 3:09 p.m.

When did "Corvette" change from a model to a brand? Every time I hear or read "Corvette brand" the past few weeks I keep wondering.

Pete Gossett
Pete Gossett MegaDork
7/26/19 3:33 p.m.

Maybe I missed it, but I’ve seen the sub-$60k base price, and I’ve seen the Z-51 performance numbers, but has GM mentioned what the Z-51 should sticker for?

RJStanford
RJStanford New Reader
7/26/19 3:51 p.m.

Since the base model is all that and more, and the Z51 package is likely awesome, how about letting the Z06 really be all about the track?

What if it added lots of cooling, an enhanced data recorder, more downforce, and factory air jacks :)

Just saying...

RJStanford
RJStanford New Reader
7/26/19 3:53 p.m.
secretariata said:

From the photos, I don't like the barrier between the driver and passenger. Maybe it isn't as bad in person?

Its to keep you more focused on the next apex and less aware of the leg of whoever's sitting next to you ;) 

David S. Wallens
David S. Wallens Editorial Director
7/26/19 3:57 p.m.
NOT A TA said:

When did "Corvette" change from a model to a brand? Every time I hear or read "Corvette brand" the past few weeks I keep wondering.

You know, it almost is a brand. 

Brian_13
Brian_13 New Reader
7/26/19 4:19 p.m.

In reply to Pete Gossett :

Publishing the base price and the performance with an optional package is standard marketing procedure.

Brian_13
Brian_13 New Reader
7/26/19 4:21 p.m.

One article (sorry, I have lost track of which one) explained that the mid-engine configuration required them to strengthen the tunnel, to avoid excessively high sills... and thus the 'barrier'.

pres589 (djronnebaum)
pres589 (djronnebaum) PowerDork
7/26/19 4:27 p.m.

I like it mostly and the price point is commendable.  I think the style and detailing from the rear view is overly busy and the folds vs. curves ratio went the wrong direction.  I also think that there should have been more effort spent to get a real manual trans into this thing which I know has been beaten to death already.

I'll never own one though so none of this really matters much.

Vettedrmr
Vettedrmr New Reader
7/26/19 4:31 p.m.

In reply to Pete Gossett :

Pricing is supposed to be published August 15th.

My well planned long term financial strategy is in serious peril!

Have a good one,

Mike

Ransom
Ransom PowerDork
7/26/19 4:39 p.m.

It's really freaking cool, and not my thing in much the same way as the current Corvette. Which is to say I think it's awesome, would totally have one if money and space were no object, but until I get to have a very large number of cups of tea, this isn't mine, as it would have to displace too many other cups of tea which better suit my personality.

To be a little pedantic about it, or possibly just give a literal answer to a joking question, I think the brand distinction is that almost any identifiable name or concept can be a brand in that it is something that can be marketed and have associations and connotations. Focus groups can be asked how they feel about "Corvette." Which is distinct from the usage of "brand" as a synonym for "marque" or "manufacturer."

z31maniac
z31maniac MegaDork
7/26/19 4:47 p.m.
Ransom said:

It's really freaking cool, and not my thing in much the same way as the current Corvette. Which is to say I think it's awesome, would totally have one if money and space were no object, but until I get to have a very large number of cups of tea, this isn't mine, as it would have to displace too many other cups of tea which better suit my personality.

To be a little pedantic about it, or possibly just give a literal answer to a joking question, I think the brand distinction is that almost any identifiable name or concept can be a brand in that it is something that can be marketed and have associations and connotations. Focus groups can be asked how they feel about "Corvette." Which is distinct from the usage of "brand" as a synonym for "marque" or "manufacturer."

That's what I was going to say, although less eloquently.

If you told someone you bought an "Aveo," they wouldn't likely know it's a Chevy, or what it is, unless they've had the pleasure of getting stuck in one as rental/loaner. 

When someone says, "Corvette." The average person knows what that is.

z31maniac
z31maniac MegaDork
7/26/19 4:48 p.m.
Pete Gossett said:

Maybe I missed it, but I’ve seen the sub-$60k base price, and I’ve seen the Z-51 performance numbers, but has GM mentioned what the Z-51 should sticker for?

Hopefully not too much, the last few years the Z-51 package has been around $5k.

Mndsm
Mndsm MegaDork
7/26/19 4:55 p.m.

Seriously,  once they get a little more into my range- as corvettes do, I might have to pull the trigger. Always wanted an ls swapped fiero. This saves me so much time. I'll have one in brown with gold trim, thanks 

poopshovel again
poopshovel again MegaDork
7/26/19 4:56 p.m.
T.J. said:

I am a fan.

+1. At least of the looks, the performance numbers, the price, and the concept.

I’m excited to drive one, but I don’t have high hopes for it being the be-all-end-all for me. 

I didn’t like the looks of the C7 until l saw one in person, then I fell in love. It was a couple years later when I very quickly fell out of love after about 20 miles of street driving where I felt like I was in a coffin and every lane change was a white-knuckle affair. 

Obviously, I doubt the C8 will be much different in that regard, but I also realize that’s a “me” problem. I want to drive one.

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner MegaDork
7/26/19 5:02 p.m.

The alternative title for this thread is "C8 Corvettes get clicks!"

Corvette is 100% a brand. Just think of how many completely non-car related things you can get with the Corvette logo on it. Home Depot sells stools with the Corvette logo on them. You can get neon Corvette logo signs.  Forever21 sells Corvette pants. None of them say Chevrolet. That's a brand.

Mike
Mike SuperDork
7/26/19 5:19 p.m.

I like it. A lot. I like it so much, it wins in spite of this:

D2W
D2W HalfDork
7/26/19 5:32 p.m.

1) I think it is awesome. A true mid engine supercar for 60K? Are you kidding me. 

2) I don't really understand all the complaints I've read. Sure the styling is not going to be to everyone's liking. How many people who are complaining about no manual have driven a dual clutch transmission? Before I drove a 911 with PDK I might have said the same, but not anymore. Really all they are going to miss is the clutch pedal. I know we live in a time when everybody bitches about everything. How spoiled we have become, #1stWorldProblems:(

secretariata
secretariata SuperDork
7/26/19 5:42 p.m.
RJStanford said:
secretariata said:

From the photos, I don't like the barrier between the driver and passenger. Maybe it isn't as bad in person?

Its to keep you more focused on the next apex and less aware of the leg of whoever's sitting next to you ;) 

I'm a big boy, let me deal with that problem on my own without imposing GM's morality on me.  ;)

irish44j
irish44j MegaDork
7/26/19 5:53 p.m.

Just because you're asking for posterity even though I'm largely ambivalent about this or other corvettes:

- It looks fine

- I'm sure the performance is excellent

- I don't care where the engine is, since see previous comment

- I'd still buy one of a few dozen other things (new or used) if I had $60k in my pocket for a "fun car." Corvettes are fine, just not my personal style or interest. 

- No manual transmission in a "fun car" = I would not buy it, regardless of brand, model, etc. Yeah I know PDK and automatics these days are better for straight performance, but when I want to go have fun driving, I want three pedals. Save the comments about "living in the past" or "people bitching about how people bitch about things," if I spend $60k on a car, it'll be a car that has the things I like (and what *you* like is irrelevant to my wallet).  So you say "well, can't get much with a real manual transmission these days." And I'll say 1) get back to me when you can't get ANYTHING fun with a Manual and 2) when that happens, I'll buy something old and spend $60k to make it awesome. 

wheelsmithy
wheelsmithy SuperDork
7/26/19 5:58 p.m.

I like it, but would rather have an LS swapped Flyin Miata.

stuart in mn
stuart in mn MegaDork
7/26/19 6:01 p.m.

From what I've read on various other forums, the like/dislike posts are mainly a split between traditionalists and people who are more acceptable to change.

I saw one post where someone said, "That's not a Corvette, this is a Corvette" accompanied by a picture of a 1978 Indy pace car replica, which was possibly one of the worst Corvettes of all time.  smiley

irish44j
irish44j MegaDork
7/26/19 6:03 p.m.
RJStanford said:

Its to keep you more focused on the next apex and less aware of the leg of whoever's sitting next to you ;) 

If you're in a corvette:

a) you've been married to the person sitting next to you for like 35 years, and her legs don't look as great as they once did

b) you're divorced, bald, overweight, and spend your mornings at cars and coffee while wearing a Corvette-logo polo shirt. When you go on a date with a woman you're going to take your daily driver Lexus or BMW crossover, which is way more comfortable to her - and she doesn't care about your "exotic" car, because this isn't the 80s and you're not Richard Gere.. 

c) you put a bunch of suspension goodies into the car and a louder exhaust and have it all badassed out, and your woman would much rather take her luxury crossover if you are going someplace together, because "it's too low" or "it's too loud." Or maybe this is just my wife. frown

d) you bought it to take to VIR and the Glen for trackday weekends, and your woman will never go with you, because those are the weekends she spends with the poolboy. Plus, you need that seat for your helmet.

e) it's a legit track/race car and it doesn't have a passenger seat anyhow. 

#generalizingdon'ttakethispostseriously

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner MegaDork
7/26/19 6:10 p.m.
wheelsmithy said:

I like it, but would rather have an LS swapped Flyin Miata.

I like this guy!

Ransom
Ransom PowerDork
7/26/19 6:39 p.m.
stuart in mn said:

I saw one post where someone said, "That's not a Corvette, this is a Corvette" accompanied by a picture of a 1978 Indy pace car replica, which was possibly one of the worst Corvettes of all time.  smiley

Right there up to '83 are the Corvettes I imprinted on and to me they will always be, not the best Corvettes, and not my favorite Corvettes, but the most Corvette Corvettes, reason be damned.

Feedyurhed
Feedyurhed UltraDork
7/26/19 6:57 p.m.

I am not a Corvette guy, what ever that means. I don't think they are bad cars......just not for me. I have driven them and they were great performers but just too big or something. I think Chevy has hit a home run with the new Corvette, especially at that price point. A thoroughly modern sports car for $60K. Amazing. Would I buy one? Probably not, but I sure am glad Chevrolet kept it around, invested money in it and took it to another level.

poopshovel again
poopshovel again MegaDork
7/26/19 7:01 p.m.

In reply to irish44j :

The most non-automotive-related fun I had in a car was in my piece of E36 M3 82 Cutlass with a bench seat. 

Also, there is no “leg” in “hand-whammy,” so who cares?

dean1484
dean1484 MegaDork
7/26/19 7:16 p.m.

I hope it depreciates like a corvette. 

JG Pasterjak
JG Pasterjak Production/Art Director
7/26/19 8:42 p.m.
poopshovel again said:

 

Also, there is no “leg” in “hand-whammy,” so who cares?

 

That's rookie talk. Remind me to show you a couple things the next time I see you.

Argo1
Argo1 UltraDork
7/26/19 11:46 p.m.

I think it's a game changer.  Causing me to re-assess my brand loyalty.  (997 C4S)  May have to buy one in a year after the markups and price gouging are over.

codrus
codrus UberDork
7/27/19 12:07 a.m.

A week later, I'm still less likely to buy one than I would be if there was a manual available. :)

As for the "brand" thing, that's so they can come out with a "Corvette" crossover SUV in a couple years.

 

Ian F
Ian F MegaDork
7/27/19 6:16 a.m.

I like it.   Although I'm not sure if I like to the point where I'd buy one over other things I could spend that sort of money on. The lack of 3 pedals used to bother me. Now, not so much. 

Knurled.
Knurled. MegaDork
7/27/19 6:45 a.m.
NOT A TA said:

When did "Corvette" change from a model to a brand? Every time I hear or read "Corvette brand" the past few weeks I keep wondering.

"Brand" means "name" in marketingese, not manufacturer.

 

The F-150 brand, the Miata brand, etc.

 

It differentiates something people buy for what it is, instead of something people buy as a fungible commodity.

Knurled.
Knurled. MegaDork
7/27/19 6:50 a.m.
D2W said:

1) I think it is awesome. A true mid engine supercar for 60K? Are you kidding me. 

Adjusted for inflation in both dollars and horsepower, that also described the MR2 Turbo and the original NSX, no?

Knurled.
Knurled. MegaDork
7/27/19 6:54 a.m.
Ransom said:
stuart in mn said:

I saw one post where someone said, "That's not a Corvette, this is a Corvette" accompanied by a picture of a 1978 Indy pace car replica, which was possibly one of the worst Corvettes of all time.  smiley

Right there up to '83 are the Corvettes I imprinted on and to me they will always be, not the best Corvettes, and not my favorite Corvettes, but the most Corvette Corvettes, reason be damned.

The best music in the world is what I was listening to when I was 15 and all this new stuff sucks, too smiley

 

It's weird to think what modern 16 year olds will get nostalgic for.  OTOH, I never owned a car with "fenders" in the sense that if you removed them it'd be an open wheel car.

poopshovel again
poopshovel again MegaDork
7/27/19 7:05 a.m.
JG Pasterjak said:
poopshovel again said:

 

Also, there is no “leg” in “hand-whammy,” so who cares?

 

That's rookie talk. Remind me to show you a couple things the next time I see you.

noddaz
noddaz SuperDork
7/27/19 10:01 a.m.

If Chevrolet says it's a Corvette,  it's a Corvette.  They should know, they build it.  Now wether you like it or not is a different story.  Everyone is entitled to an opinion.  Nuff' said.

And on a different level, Google Corvette boat..

Let me save you some time.

Corvette boat

 

conesare2seconds
conesare2seconds Dork
7/27/19 10:35 a.m.

Playing with the online configurator reveals the trim accents can be made body-colored. IMO, it really tidies up the car’s lines. Subtle on dark colors, striking on, say, red. 

D2W
D2W HalfDork
7/27/19 10:48 a.m.
Knurled. said:
D2W said:

1) I think it is awesome. A true mid engine supercar for 60K? Are you kidding me. 

Adjusted for inflation in both dollars and horsepower, that also described the MR2 Turbo and the original NSX, no?

NSX was $60K in 1991, that's $112K in todays dollars. With 270 hp. So half the hp for twice the money. I will agree that at the time it had the same effect on the supercar market that I expect the C8 to have.

I wouldn't call the MR2 turbo a supercar or anywhere in the same league as the new C8. 

PS I like them both.

AnthonyGS
AnthonyGS Dork
7/27/19 10:51 a.m.
Argo1 said:

I think it's a game changer.  Causing me to re-assess my brand loyalty.  (997 C4S)  May have to buy one in a year after the markups and price gouging are over.

As someone who has owned a lot of Mustangs, quite a few Miatas, a few Corvettes and has a few Porsche’s, I assure Porsche’s age much better.  A domestic car has an awesome V8, but the rest of the far disintegrates around it and you.  A Porsche holds up really well.

A domestic car is like that hot hollywood starlet that ages horribly.  A Porsche is Jennifer Anniston and stays hot.  A Miata is old faithful.  She’s the one that was kinda hot when young but had a few flaws, but she maintains herself well and looks great after 20 years.  

Corvettes are hot for a few years, but they go down hill fast.  

Knurled.
Knurled. MegaDork
7/27/19 12:17 p.m.

In reply to D2W :

Huh, I thought the NSX was a $40k car.  Live and learn.

 

I know Mister Twos got up into the $70k range before Toyota mercy-killed it.  Yen got too strong for our market.

T.J.
T.J. MegaDork
7/27/19 12:40 p.m.

In reply to Knurled. :

I would’ve guessed that no MR2 stickered for over $30k. Color me surprised. 

te72
te72 Reader
7/27/19 1:30 p.m.
Knurled. said:

I know Mister Twos got up into the $70k range before Toyota mercy-killed it.  Yen got too strong for our market.

Err... adjusted for inflation? I was still pretty young in 1995, so I wasn't paying much attention back then. Considering that the Supra never hit $70k back then, but high 40's, low 50's, I have a really hard time seeing an MR2 of any sort being that expensive. If we're talking about inflation, then sure, I can see it.

 

As for the Vette... I'm a Supra guy at heart, have been for a long time now. Considering the garage makeup over the years, I'm very much a Toyota guy. However, there's no way I'd even consider the new Supra when the C8:

-looks that good

-performs that good

-is in the same price bracket

-sounds that good

-has a total of zero BMW parts (although GM has its own reputation)

-is the first new car to make me consider buying it rather than what I could do with a similar amount of money in a used car

 

Sooooo... yeah. I'm highly interested. The next couple years will determine if my first new car ever is a C8.

Knurled.
Knurled. MegaDork
7/27/19 1:33 p.m.

In reply to te72 :

In 1997, retail on an MR2 Turbo was indeed around $70k in 1997 dollars.

 

That is why sales figures were so low.  Notice the other Japanese makes pretty much stopped selling their performance cars around the same time.  It wasn't OBD-II, it was a really strong Yen and weak dollar.  

Floating Doc
Floating Doc SuperDork
7/27/19 2:41 p.m.

My opinion is moot.  If I had $60,000 I could pay off my student loans. And besides, if I had that money to spend on a car I agree, I would have an ND Miata with a Flyin Miata LS swap. 

I've ridden in one Vette, but I came really close to making it two at the last scca autocross in Daytona.

I was sitting in this car with my helmet on when the weather hit and the rest of the day was cancelled. I was as disappointed about missing out on that ride as I was about not getting to race my own car.

It may look familiar.

 

dean1484
dean1484 MegaDork
7/27/19 3:30 p.m.
AnthonyGS said:
Argo1 said:

I think it's a game changer.  Causing me to re-assess my brand loyalty.  (997 C4S)  May have to buy one in a year after the markups and price gouging are over.

As someone who has owned a lot of Mustangs, quite a few Miatas, a few Corvettes and has a few Porsche’s, I assure Porsche’s age much better.  A domestic car has an awesome V8, but the rest of the far disintegrates around it and you.  A Porsche holds up really well.

A domestic car is like that hot hollywood starlet that ages horribly.  A Porsche is Jennifer Anniston and stays hot.  A Miata is old faithful.  She’s the one that was kinda hot when young but had a few flaws, but she maintains herself well and looks great after 20 years.  

Corvettes are hot for a few years, but they go down hill fast.  

And I would say just the opposite. To me the C5 has aged really well. I still prefer its looks to the C6 & C7.   Don’t get me wrong I don’t dislike the 6&7 at all. The C5 zo6 was a supermodel of its time and has aged really well. I would say it has aged equally as well if not better than a early Miata. Also you never purchased a C5 for its interior. It was all about the drive. Lastly is there a new Porsche with the same or better performance as the new Corvette for the same price?    I don’t think so but I could be wrong.  I have had a Porsche in my driveway of some sort since the late 80’s and let me tell you the interiors of them are just as bad. Cracked dashes. Buttons that you end up pushing in to the dash. Seats that fall apart. I don’t think Porsche quality is anything to brag about. Another thing is we don’t know how the interior will stand the test of time so it is kind of dump to say this corvettes interior will fall apart around you when we don’t know.  There is a good chance they will but it is all speculation at the moment. 

Argo1
Argo1 UltraDork
7/27/19 6:06 p.m.
AnthonyGS said:
Argo1 said:

I think it's a game changer.  Causing me to re-assess my brand loyalty.  (997 C4S)  May have to buy one in a year after the markups and price gouging are over.

As someone who has owned a lot of Mustangs, quite a few Miatas, a few Corvettes and has a few Porsche’s, I assure Porsche’s age much better.  A domestic car has an awesome V8, but the rest of the far disintegrates around it and you.  A Porsche holds up really well.

A domestic car is like that hot hollywood starlet that ages horribly.  A Porsche is Jennifer Anniston and stays hot.  A Miata is old faithful.  She’s the one that was kinda hot when young but had a few flaws, but she maintains herself well and looks great after 20 years.  

Corvettes are hot for a few years, but they go down hill fast.  

A true observation.  Ultimately, you get what you pay for.  Both my '00 996 C2 coupe and my '07 997 C4S cab look and run like new.

JamesMcD
JamesMcD SuperDork
7/27/19 10:05 p.m.

I like the car (I even like that strip of buttons that is upsetting people), but they shouldn't do contrasting stitching if they can't sew evenly or in two parallel paths. This looks terrible and shows up in several places. Hopefully it's a pre-production thing:

 

Opti
Opti Dork
7/27/19 11:11 p.m.

I've seen worse on much more expensive cars.

JamesMcD
JamesMcD SuperDork
7/28/19 1:32 a.m.
Opti said:

I've seen worse on much more expensive cars.

And I've seen better on much cheaper cars. 

Knurled.
Knurled. MegaDork
7/28/19 4:52 a.m.

That does it, if the stitching is flawed, I'm definitely not buying one.

 

wink

 

(And I don't have room for it.  And I don't have a purpose for it.  And I don't have the money.  But it's because of the stitching.  And the lack of amber turn signal lenses in the rear, red turn signals screams "cheap")

JamesMcD
JamesMcD SuperDork
7/28/19 7:58 a.m.
Knurled. said:

That does it, if the stitching is flawed, I'm definitely not buying one.

 

wink

 

(And I don't have room for it.  And I don't have a purpose for it.  And I don't have the money.  But it's because of the stitching.  And the lack of amber turn signal lenses in the rear, red turn signals screams "cheap")

What an exhilarating feeling,  to have changed someone's mind on the Internet. I knew it would happen someday. 

captdownshift
captdownshift PowerDork
7/28/19 11:13 a.m.

A little more than a week later and the watershed moment of the C8 for me is the realization that when it depreciates and can be found in the used market for $25k, that you'll be able to get parts and components for it. Suspension bits won't be unobtainable and have to be flown in from European after having been purchased through a Euro vendor, having to pay VAT or via a boutique US vendor whom merely imports bits to order as they "know a guy" and thus have North American distribution rights.

 

This will be the first time (in roughly 7-9 years) that you'll be able to get a mid engined V8 car for less than the cost of a new Accord and maintenance and repair will be no worse than ownership of any Audi. 

 

That's what is going to make the C8 special. SCCA and NASA need to be working HARD on setting up a spec class. 

Cotton
Cotton PowerDork
7/28/19 11:20 a.m.
Thanks JamesMcD said:

I like the car (I even like that strip of buttons that is upsetting people), but they shouldn't do contrasting stitching if they can't sew evenly or in two parallel paths. This looks terrible and shows up in several places. Hopefully it's a pre-production thing:

 

That would not bother me.  Hell, I haven’t even checked  to see if all the contrast stitching lines up on the various cars I have with it.  I used to think I was picky,  but you guys have me wondering.

AnthonyGS
AnthonyGS Dork
7/28/19 7:17 p.m.
dean1484 said:
AnthonyGS said:
Argo1 said:

I think it's a game changer.  Causing me to re-assess my brand loyalty.  (997 C4S)  May have to buy one in a year after the markups and price gouging are over.

As someone who has owned a lot of Mustangs, quite a few Miatas, a few Corvettes and has a few Porsche’s, I assure Porsche’s age much better.  A domestic car has an awesome V8, but the rest of the far disintegrates around it and you.  A Porsche holds up really well.

A domestic car is like that hot hollywood starlet that ages horribly.  A Porsche is Jennifer Anniston and stays hot.  A Miata is old faithful.  She’s the one that was kinda hot when young but had a few flaws, but she maintains herself well and looks great after 20 years.  

Corvettes are hot for a few years, but they go down hill fast.  

And I would say just the opposite. To me the C5 has aged really well. I still prefer its looks to the C6 & C7.   Don’t get me wrong I don’t dislike the 6&7 at all. The C5 zo6 was a supermodel of its time and has aged really well. I would say it has aged equally as well if not better than a early Miata. Also you never purchased a C5 for its interior. It was all about the drive. Lastly is there a new Porsche with the same or better performance as the new Corvette for the same price?    I don’t think so but I could be wrong.  I have had a Porsche in my driveway of some sort since the late 80’s and let me tell you the interiors of them are just as bad. Cracked dashes. Buttons that you end up pushing in to the dash. Seats that fall apart. I don’t think Porsche quality is anything to brag about. Another thing is we don’t know how the interior will stand the test of time so it is kind of dump to say this corvettes interior will fall apart around you when we don’t know.  There is a good chance they will but it is all speculation at the moment. 

I’ve owned 944s too....  the quality of them has nothing to do with what is in my garage.  I love the C5 too.  It’s huge bang for the coin which is what Corvette excels at.  It’s just not a great place to rack up miles in.

 

 

Mike
Mike SuperDork
7/28/19 9:02 p.m.

I've driven a few Impala rentals over the last year or so. I'd need a few more parking spots for one to fit in my fleet, but every time I get one, I really enjoy having a tech-filled, modestly luxurious (jumbo shrimp?) big car. I spend a few days looking at used listings too.

I'd be perfectly happy with equal or slightly nicer comfort, interior quality and tech.

Honestly, the prospect of having an Impala-like interior in a serious mid-engine car makes me happy.

BlueInGreen - Jon
BlueInGreen - Jon SuperDork
7/28/19 9:11 p.m.

I saw one today in the grocery store parking lot. It was the bright blue color with black wheels and is definitely a good looking thing in person.

Mike
Mike SuperDork
7/28/19 9:21 p.m.

Autoblog is reporting that 2020 is nearly sold out, which apparently is based on people who have clicked the reserve button, filled the form, and gotten on the dealer list. 

300zxfreak
300zxfreak New Reader
7/29/19 7:33 a.m.

That “flawed” stitching thing has me wondering, did Chevy do this on purpose to replicate custom, hand crafted/sewn look ???  Hmmmm........

StuntmanMike
StuntmanMike New Reader
7/29/19 8:30 a.m.

In reply to AnthonyGS :

The only reason Porsche's don't age is because they don't change! I think a well kept C6 still stands out in traffic, and a nice C5 isn't easily dismissed either. Now the interior...

Floating Doc
Floating Doc SuperDork
7/29/19 9:23 a.m.

So, this has settled into a discussion about the stitching on the seats, and a Porsche compare and contrast.

No one would have seen that coming.

G_Body_Man
G_Body_Man UltraDork
7/29/19 1:03 p.m.
mr2s2000elise
mr2s2000elise HalfDork
7/29/19 2:23 p.m.

PerGM, allotment of year 1, C8, all have been sold out ...

AnthonyGS
AnthonyGS Dork
7/29/19 2:37 p.m.
StuntmanMike said:

In reply to AnthonyGS :

The only reason Porsche's don't age is because they don't change! I think a well kept C6 still stands out in traffic, and a nice C5 isn't easily dismissed either. Now the interior...

I agree, and that’s my point.  Great drivetrain, but......

AnthonyGS
AnthonyGS Dork
7/29/19 2:40 p.m.
Floating Doc said:

So, this has settled into a discussion about the stitching on the seats, and a Porsche compare and contrast.

No one would have seen that coming.

I used to think performance numbers were the be all end all.....  then I got older.  GM apparently has always believed this.

I’m really pondering what car to buy for my 50th birthday in 16 months, and a C8 is on the list.  However I’m really starting to think that by the time I’m 60, I would still enjoy an ND Miata more.  And then there are the 996 and 997 turbo.....

Cotton
Cotton PowerDork
7/29/19 5:09 p.m.

In reply to AnthonyGS :

I thought I’d like an ND too.  Spent a week with one and it just wasn’t for me.  If you can, go for an extended test drive.  I rented an RF from the Tampa airport.  I did the same thing with a c7 and like it much better.

D2W
D2W HalfDork
7/29/19 6:17 p.m.

Any guesses on what first year production numbers will be?

JamesMcD
JamesMcD SuperDork
7/29/19 6:55 p.m.

It's kinda strange that we'll soon have super-cars driving around all over the place.

KrankyKoot
KrankyKoot New Reader
7/29/19 7:57 p.m.

No manual is a real issue.  After owning nothing but manuals for the last 50 + years and being convinced that the auto in a Corvette is much faster I promise you you would not like dialog while I am driving around town.  Its a slush box unless you max throttle and paddle shifting ain't the same.  I reserve judgment till I get my hands on the dual clutch.

Mike
Mike SuperDork
7/29/19 9:44 p.m.

In reply to KrankyKoot :

I've almost exclusively driven manuals. The automatic car I've most enjoyed was my Volt lease for two years. Somewhere around 18 months in, I still liked the car, but I really wanted to drive a manual.

I feel like I would be fine with the Corvette double clutch, but I'd like to have a manual somewhere in my fleet. It could be a Geo Tracker or something.

Ian F
Ian F MegaDork
7/29/19 10:20 p.m.
Mike said:

I feel like I would be fine with the Corvette double clutch, but I'd like to have a manual somewhere in my fleet. It could be a Geo Tracker or something.

Maybe that is part of it for me. If I were to get a C8, it would not be my only car by a long shot. Not even my only sporty car. I'd still have my older classics with stick shifts. 

te72
te72 Reader
7/29/19 10:21 p.m.
Knurled. said:

In reply to te72 :

In 1997, retail on an MR2 Turbo was indeed around $70k in 1997 dollars.

 

That is why sales figures were so low.  Notice the other Japanese makes pretty much stopped selling their performance cars around the same time.  It wasn't OBD-II, it was a really strong Yen and weak dollar.  

I think you might be thinking of the NSX here. The SW20 MR2 was last sold in the US in 1995, per a quick search of my memory, and the wikipedia article on the MR2. As far as pricing goes, not sure how accurate NADA is, but here ya go:

 

https://www.nadaguides.com/Cars/1995/Toyota/MR2/2-Door-Coupe-Turbo/Values

 

Shows an MSRP of $28,668 which sounds a bit more accurate. The NSX was in the 70k range by then though. =)

 

As far as why the Japanese sports cars died off, their economy had a bubble that burst in the early 90's. By then, they had already done the R&D for all those cool cars. I'm no economist, but it does seem strange to me that when an economy suffers, the value of that currency rises in regards to other currencies, that seems backwards. When our economy here in the US tanked about a decade ago, the value of the dollar dropped.

te72
te72 Reader
7/29/19 10:33 p.m.

In reply to KrankyKoot :

I'm a manual fan myself, all but 5 cars I've owned over the years (two of which were automatic only, the LS400's) have been manuals. So, while I think it would be nice to have the option, I've driven a few cars with dual clutch transmissions. They're pretty great, and you owe it to yourself to try one out before writing them off completely.

 

EDIT: My frame of reference is two different Ferrari 458's (one with 111k, yes, over a hundred thousand miles!) and an Audi R8 V10. Both of these cars were a few years old, so it'll be neat to see how the C8 compares.

rssmithiq
rssmithiq None
7/30/19 10:35 a.m.

FINALLY!

Mike
Mike SuperDork
7/30/19 8:19 p.m.

I haven't seen it reported elsewhere, but I just noticed that pricing is expected August 15th, according to the fine print on my reservation request confirmation email.

Minor rant: I filled the form the day after the reveal. Had a conversation with my dealer on the phone. Had a conversation with a second dealer in person. Now I'm hearing about 2020 selling out. I'm hearing about deposits being placed. I'm hearing about dealers getting told what their allocations are. My dealer didn't say anything about deposits. I hope the train isn't leaving without me.

BlueInGreen - Jon
BlueInGreen - Jon SuperDork
7/30/19 9:00 p.m.

Saw the blue one today and a second one in white. I wonder if the high ranking dudes at the proving grounds have daily fist fights to determine who gets to drive the C8s home.

White looks good. The body color accents would help the rear end a lot in the lighter colors.

Teh E36 M3
Teh E36 M3 SuperDork
7/30/19 10:38 p.m.
Knurled. said:

That does it, if the stitching is flawed, I'm definitely not buying one.

 

wink

 

(And I don't have room for it.  And I don't have a purpose for it.  And I don't have the money.  But it's because of the stitching.  And the lack of amber turn signal lenses in the rear, red turn signals screams "cheap")

The pixels though....

stuart in mn
stuart in mn MegaDork
7/30/19 10:57 p.m.

I happened to see the Motor Week program on the Motor Trend channel tonight, and they did a review of the latest McLaren 720S. I noticed it has a bar on the center console with a row of switches on it that's somewhat similar to the Corvette. Maybe that's where Chevrolet got the idea.

 

 

te72
te72 Reader
7/31/19 12:54 a.m.

In reply to BlueInGreen - Jon :

Body color is the only way I could do the accents. I'm sorry, they just don't really add anything, at least in pictures. Usually contrast and accents are a good thing, but in this car's case, I feel they look out of place. The Audi "blade" on the R8 works, and the car looks odd with that in body color, but the C8 is better in one color.

codrus
codrus UberDork
7/31/19 8:48 a.m.
captdownshift said:

This will be the first time (in roughly 7-9 years) that you'll be able to get a mid engined V8 car for less than the cost of a new Accord and maintenance and repair will be no worse than ownership of any Audi. 

What satisfied that price criteria 8 years ago?  A 308, before the prices climbed?  Pantera?

Looks like you can get a V8 Esprit for around $40K, which is close on the price front. :)

poopshovel again
poopshovel again MegaDork
8/2/19 9:53 a.m.

@bradbuilds on instagram is posting some wicked chops. 

ebelements
ebelements New Reader
8/2/19 9:58 a.m.

Not sure if anyone posted this up on GRM yet, but the donut media overview gives a pretty good look at the C8.

 

 

Appleseed
Appleseed MegaDork
8/2/19 6:46 p.m.

I want to like Donut Media, but that guy has the most punchable face this side of Guy Fieri.

Knurled.
Knurled. MegaDork
8/2/19 6:52 p.m.
KrankyKoot said:

No manual is a real issue. 

It's a twin clutch, not an "automatic".

 

Where do you define "manual"?  Corvettes have had automatic rev-matching for a while.  Where do you put the goalpost on the slippery slope?  Is it the left foot action to allow you to think you are responsible for the clutch?  (You're not, and haven't been for years: the clutch engagement is defined by the hydraulics, not your left foot)

 

To be honest, trying to make an H gated shifter for a mid engined vehicle would well and truly suck, especially with a wide engine like a V8.  You'd pretty much have to run cables, and cable shifter anything feels like E36 M3.

Stefan
Stefan MegaDork
8/2/19 6:56 p.m.
Appleseed said:

I want to like Donut Media, but that guy has the most punchable face this side of Guy Fieri.

They are backed by a ton of money and are essentially the LCD of auto "journalism"  In a word, they are terrible, simply terrible and more often than not incorrect in one way or another.

They produce junk quickly and in short enough bites to get clicks and clickthrough revenue.

So no.  You shouldn't like them.  Not really.

poopshovel again
poopshovel again MegaDork
8/2/19 7:16 p.m.
Appleseed said:

I want to like Donut Media, but that guy has the most punchable face this side of Guy Fieri.

I didn’t want to say it, but yeah, well put. I tried to watch that video last night and didn’t make it through “Yo fursss I need ta give a shoutout to Monster Energy Drank, White Claw, neck tattoos, and skinny jeans....” or whatever.

Knurled.
Knurled. MegaDork
8/2/19 7:30 p.m.
poopshovel again said:

@bradbuilds on instagram is posting some wicked chops. 

That looks absolutely horrible.

Even 13 year old Knurled would be saying "Dude, that sucks"

Knurled.
Knurled. MegaDork
8/2/19 7:33 p.m.
Appleseed said:

I want to like Donut Media, but that guy has the most punchable face this side of Guy Fieri.

You leave Violent J alone!  He knows some awesome diners, drive-ins, and dives, AND has some wicked rhymes.

 

yupididit
yupididit UltraDork
8/2/19 7:36 p.m.
Appleseed said:

I want to like Donut Media, but that guy has the most punchable face this side of Guy Fieri.

 

I can't watch so I don't. Super cringey!

Datsun310Guy
Datsun310Guy UltimaDork
8/2/19 10:04 p.m.

They had one in a tent at Road America today - can’t they do a lap and tease us?

 

captdownshift
captdownshift PowerDork
8/3/19 1:08 p.m.

In reply to codrus :

Maintenance and parts pricing and availability wise, nothing ever has. Lotus, Ferrari and Pantera parts pricing and availability have never been comparable to Audi. 

D2W
D2W HalfDork
8/5/19 9:08 a.m.

I'm jealous of you guys back east. I probably won't see one in the flesh til next year.

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