Track test and review of the ND-chassis Mazda MX-5 Cup Car

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By J.G. Pasterjak
Jun 5, 2024 | Mazda, MX-5 Cup, Track Test, Florida International Rally & Motorsport Park, MX-5 Cup Car | Posted in Features | Never miss an article

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APEowner
APEowner GRM+ Memberand UltraDork
6/5/24 11:22 a.m.

Not related to the article itself but if I click on either the Read the rest of the story or the view original article links the resulting page is weirdly formatted with no left margin at all.  This is on the latest version of Firefox.

David S. Wallens
David S. Wallens Editorial Director
6/5/24 11:33 a.m.

Our website is in the middle of a minor update today. See if clearing your cache helps. I had the same issue, and clearing my cache made things look normal again. I’m on a Mac with Safari. 

APEowner
APEowner GRM+ Memberand UltraDork
6/5/24 11:55 a.m.
David S. Wallens said:

Our website is in the middle of a minor update today. See if clearing your cache helps. I had the same issue, and clearing my cache made things look normal again. I’m on a Mac with Safari. 

Editorial Director, Grassroots Motorsports & Classic Motorsports

That fixed it.  Thanks.

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
6/5/24 12:51 p.m.

Good review!

It would be interesting to get a list of all the components that got upgraded on the MX-5 Cup since it was originally introduced, and why. Not just the Flis cars, but also the Long Road-built ones. They were considerably less expensive at introduction ($53,000 in 2015, equivalent to $70k today), but also used a stock (sealed) gearbox and stock brakes. Also, for anyone tracking an ND, there are some good documents around the Cup cars regarding maintenance/upgrades. 

JG Pasterjak
JG Pasterjak Production/Art Director
6/5/24 1:13 p.m.
Keith Tanner said:

Good review!

It would be interesting to get a list of all the components that got upgraded on the MX-5 Cup since it was originally introduced, and why. Not just the Flis cars, but also the Long Road-built ones. They were considerably less expensive at introduction ($53,000 in 2015, equivalent to $70k today), but also used a stock (sealed) gearbox and stock brakes. Also, for anyone tracking an ND, there are some good documents around the Cup cars regarding maintenance/upgrades. 

Yeah this sounds like an interesting followup with the Flis crew.

One thing I'll say about the current state of th cars is the current cage is an absolute beat. It's ridiculously overbuilt, but somehow still retains great ingress and egress and plenty of room to work inside. It's also symmetrical, meaning that the RHD and LHD Cup cars use the same cage. It's got to be the single largest labor factor in the car. The sheer number of bars and triangulations and reinforcement plates is just nuts. There's got to be a quarter mile of welds in there.

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
6/5/24 1:32 p.m.

BTW, Mazda Motorsports lists those shocks as a $1569/corner replacement cost.

Interestingly, they're inverted and very short compared to stock. This is based on the pictures in the published homologation document from 2019, the most recent one available. 7" springs front and rear, while we use 10"/12" for front/rear.

I know when we went to the SADEV sequentials in SRF, the cost of the transmission alone was $13k.  I can't imagine the MX5 one being that different, it may even be more expensive give the front engine layout.  That could explain a lot of the cost.

The guy at the local Mazda shop said that when they started the series they basically had to show up to races with bandoliers of stock transmissions strapped across their body.

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
6/5/24 3:56 p.m.

In reply to ShinnyGroove (Forum Supporter) :

The EMCO gears and case studs seemed to help, but I can see how Mazda wanted a zero tolerance policy on failures.

FarmerTed
FarmerTed New Reader
6/5/24 5:44 p.m.

It looks like the MX5 Cup car has essentially the same lap time as Andy Hollis' 2019 ND2...assuming that's the 'GRM Project Car' listed.

I find that interesting since, IIRC, Andy's car is usually testing on 200TW tires (245s on a 17x9 wheel) while the cup car is on narrower slicks. Between the two cars, you could probably argue that the suspension, brakes, and power output are close enough that they're not huge factor. If anything, I'd think the cup car would have more power with a catless header and midpipe and the standalone ECU. I'm not sure if it would be any lighter with the full cage but I'd bet it's a lot stiffer.

I run SCCA TT (T4) in an ND2 with all of the typical mods (similar to Andy's car) and have always wondered how it would compare to a cup car around the same track with drivers and conditions being equal.

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
6/5/24 5:54 p.m.

I suspect there are two other factors: the "we are testing someone else's $100,000 racecar" factor mentioned in the article and weight. That cage doesn't come without some penalty. And of course, weather conditions may have varied.

More importantly, you cannot race Andy's car in MX-5 Global Cup against top level drivers :)

It would be interesting to see the data overlaid to see if there were differences.

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