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wheels777
wheels777 SuperDork
2/2/18 3:28 a.m.

Since there are 25 of these morsels to date, here's a consolidated list.

To date there have been 18 GRM $20XX Challenges including the first $1500 Challenge held in 1999.

Did you know….

1. ....in those 18 events there have been 881 entries?

2. ....Dynamic scoring was first used in 2005 and has been used 13 times?

3. ….6 out of 18 Challenge Winners did not win a single segment of the event?. Ed Malle's $2014 overall win included a 2nd place Concour, 2nd place Auto-X and 2nd place Drag finishes.

4. ….the smallest margin of victory in the Auto-X was 0.050 seconds? 3 times FTD was set with less than a 0.100 second margin.

5. ….that the Auto-X FTD 1-2 gap was over 1 second (2) times at the Challenge? Ironically, both times a college team schooled the field by gapping everyone by 1.323 in 2015 (Texas A&M) and 1.275 (GT Wreck Racing). The other 16 events were decided by a margin between 0.050 and 0.820 seconds.

6. ….of the 881 entries, a car originally made by Mazda has participated (127) times (14.4% of the fields)? (58) Miatas (6.58%) and (46) RX7 (5.22%).

7. ….a car originally built by Mazda has the most Challenge wins with (4)? Honda has (3). MG, VW, BMW and Dodge all have (2).

8.   ….that the Team that ran the FTD in the Auto-X in 2017 has a checkered past? That's right. The school has a 60+ year history for auto racing. But in the early days they were into .......Gasp!!!......Drag Racing! ...... Thud!!!

9. ….that cars manufactured by Mazda, Dodge and Ford have been part of all (18) Challenges? BMW, Honda and Chevrolet have all missed (1) year each.

10. ….that (11) of the (18) Challenge Winning Cars were powered by an engine originally sold by Chevrolet or Ford? Chevrolet has (8) [44.4%] and Ford (3) [16.7%]. Dodge and Honda have (2) each.

11. .…that (3) of (18) Drag races have been rained out? 2002, 2007 and 2011?

12. .…that there have been (5) two time Challenge winning teams and (0) three time winners? Of those two time winners, only one won with the same car (1999,2001 Mike Guido). Of those two time winners, (4) times the wins were won back to back. (1999,2001) (2002,2003) (2012,2013) (2015,2016). Of those two time winners, only one team did not win back to back. (2010,2017 GT Wreck Racing)

13. ….that the longest and shortest Auto-X were run in back to back years? 2004 FTD was 54.442 seconds and was held on the road course. 2005 FTD was 29.657 seconds and is the only event that was under 30 seconds.

14.   ….that the speed record for the fastest Challenge team for (9) of the (18) events was none other than the Stepp/Jules/Westside entry? Yup. Those two kids from Cleveland, Ohio. In 2004 they laid down a pass over 128 mph. That mark stood for 2 years and in 2006 the flywithjunk Racing Datsun went 128.71 barely clipping the previous mark. Then, in 2010, Stepp/Jules/Westside shocked everyone with a 132+ mph lightning strike. That mark lasted 7 years and was eclipsed in 2017. Westside held the record for 9 years.

15.   ….that the longest Auto-X held in 2004 also had the tightest gap between 1st and 10th? The (18) event average in gap between 1st and 10th has been 2.422 seconds. But 2004 had a 1.103 second gap 54.442 to 55.545. Ironically, the 10th place Auto-X car won the overall and the 1st place Auto-X car took 10th overall.

16.   ….the 2003 event was the second longest and the only other A-x held on the road course? Ironically, while the 2004 event had the narrowest gap between 1st and 10th... 2003 had the widest gap between 1st and 10th at 4.092 seconds.

17. .that there is no correlation between Auto-x length and the gap time between 1st and 10th? However, there is a direct correlation with 1-10 gap time, drags performance and the overall win. Statistically speaking: A. The winners of the Challenge for the events with narrow 1-10 gaps (under 2.3 seconds) never finished below 3rd in the drags. B. The winners of the Challenge for events with wide 1-10 gap (2.3 seconds or more) have had drag finishes 10th and higher.

18. ….in the Dynamic Era, the Challenge winner finish 1st, 2nd or 3rd in the dynamic score every year? Dynamic finish for the Overall winners - (9)-1st, (3)-2nds and (1)-3rd. The concour helped the winner to leapfrog over the dynamic winner 4 times.

19. ….that ever since Cliff Sebring and Erik Lawson broke the 12 second mark, (1) in (16) (16.31 to be more accurate) Challenge cars have run 11.99 seconds or better in the quarter?

20. ....that in the (18) events the Challenge Winner won (5) Drag segments, (5) Auto-X segments and (9) Concour segments? However, since the start of the Dynamic Era, the Challenge Winner won (3) Drag segments, (5) Auto-X segments and (6) Concour segments. That's right...all of the Auto-X winning Challenge Winners have won since the Dynamic Era started.

21.   ….that Tim Suddard won the first Auto-X at the first Challenge?

22.   ....that in 18 events there has not been a 3 time winner of the Auto-X? Tim Suddard won the first Auto-X and the GRM/GRM Team won the 2001 (I don't have any details on that team). Since 2001, Lee Graser with the Tennessee Region SCCA, External Combustion and GT Wreck Racing have won it 2 times each.

23.   ....that (2) of the (18) Challenge winners did not have a podium finish in the Concour? The (2) cars that did win would easily be considered in any conversation for greatest Challenge cars ever. The $2006 Winner Steve DeFayette crushed the field with a Dynamic score that separated his RX-7 from the field by 3.5 points. Steve ran 0.2 seconds behind the FTD Auto-X time and mowed down the clock at 10.926 seconds in the drags. Post Challenge, Steve has raced (and wins with) the RX-7 in Georgia posting 9 second ETs. The $2013 Winner Pat Culkin also won the Dynamic score with his Shadow. Pat ran 1.3 seconds behind the FTD time in the Auto-X and clocked in a 11.319 second pass in the quarter. Pat’s Shadow is one of the 'greats' in our world as it has successfully competed and completed Drag Week, been Land Speed Raced and won the $1008 Challenge within the Challenge.

24.   ....that an engine sold through Chevrolet has powered every Drag winning car at the Challenge except one? Pat Culkin's Dodge broke the string by winning the 2012 Drag event.

25 ....the oldest car entered at the Challenge was Jon Haas's 1949 Chevrolet? It showed up in 2007 and is still one of the all time favorites for anyone who saw it. The car identified as a 1947 Coupe was actually a 1971 VW.

 

Pat
Pat HalfDork
2/2/18 4:24 a.m.
wheels777 said:

Did you know....

24.   ....that an engine sold through Chevrolet has powered every Drag winning car at the Challenge except one?   Pat Culkin's Dodge broke the string by winning the 2012 Drag event. 

Wow!  

Maybe I should consider a bow tie power if I ever build another challenge car...

...nah.   :-)

Pat
Pat HalfDork
2/2/18 4:27 a.m.

It has been a bit since I've really checked out the board.  This was definitely a fun thread to reacquaint myself to the GRM community with.  Thanks for putting it together!

Pat

wheels777
wheels777 SuperDork
2/2/18 4:43 a.m.
Ovid_and_Flem said:

In reply to wheels777 :

What's the farthest distance a person has travel to compete in the challenge in a challenge vehicle?

What challenge Car has appeared the most times?

What are some of the most spectacular catastrophic failures?

Who are some of the more famous Challenger celebrity guest s?

Who has competed in the most challenges? Who has the longest uninterrupted entries?

Longest Distance - Probably the guy from Oregon.

Most Appearances by a car - IDK, but it would most likely be one of Karl's cars.

Failures - Wow you guys have an unhealthy attraction to that category.  IMO there are many levels to that.  First, it would be cars/teams that oiled the track and knew their cars were leaking.  IIRC 2007 a team oiled down the entire A-x course.  If you didn't run early you didn't get a good run at all.  2017 had some winners.  Some top performing teams missed the opportunity to run good passes on the drags due to leaker's making repeated runs.  Guys drove 1000's of miles and couldn't get good runs in. The second category would be with cars that didn't break and the attempted executions were real piles and/or just didn't deliver.  I would include our '04 Nova with it's 62 place Auto-X finish (13.5 seconds behind FTD) on that list.  And then there are the turbo cars that can't beat Nitrous cars....definitely in the didn't meet expectation failure column.  Third, Most Catastrophic Failure - the balancer that injured Reese.

Celebrities - many of the judges.

Attendances - I think there have been some folks who attended every event, but didn't compete.  Or joined a team at the event in order to keep the string going.  I don't know who has the most or longest continuous string.

 

wheels777
wheels777 SuperDork
2/2/18 4:47 a.m.

Did you know....

26.   ....in the early days of the Challenge there was a "Race" and a "Street" class? 

GTXVette
GTXVette Dork
2/2/18 6:13 a.m.

In reply to wheels777 :

and with that thought in Mind..... Can or would we need a Parade Permit to Require Competitors to drive From the Hotel to the Track, I believe Drag Week ? is a drive to the Tracks event, I don't want to Buy Tags and Insurance but driving to the track would stop (Help Fix)some Leakers .and maybe a docking of Points like sitting out the Concurs

wheels777
wheels777 SuperDork
2/2/18 6:15 a.m.
GTXVette said:

In reply to wheels777 :

and with that thought in Mind..... Can or would we need a Parade Permit to Require Competitors to drive From the Hotel to the Track, I believe Drag Week ? is a drive to the Tracks event, I don't want to Buy Tags and Insurance but driving to the track would stop (Help Fix)some Leakers .and maybe a docking of Points like sitting out the Concurs

Common courtesy should be enough. 

GTXVette
GTXVette Dork
2/2/18 6:31 a.m.

Then How About a Parade, Because It's a PARADE !!!!

AWSX1686
AWSX1686 GRM+ Memberand Dork
2/2/18 7:37 a.m.

I had an idea for a did you know... But now i forgot it. 

Andy Neuman
Andy Neuman Dork
2/2/18 10:55 a.m.

What is the lowest finishing cover car? What is the average finishing position of the cover car? 

wheels777
wheels777 SuperDork
2/3/18 4:48 a.m.

Did you know...

27.   ....that (4) of (18) Challenges had a single team finish 2nd overall?  All of the 2nd place finished occurred in the first (6) events.  1999-2005 Team MiniMe finished 2nd (4) times, 3rd (1) time and 4th (1) time.  (3) of the 2nd place finishes were back to back to back 2002-2003-2004.   Hence the reason that the team is part of every conversation about "teams to beat". 

Karl La Follette
Karl La Follette UltraDork
2/3/18 9:30 a.m.
google of me and Marie GRm Challenge piks evildky said:
Mndsm said:

In reply to evildky :

Karl la follette holds the record for worst bribe iirc, and actually prompted a change to the rules. 

Actually that shame falls on me but it may be Karl's fault. In 2010 I was disappointed to loose out on worst bribe, I gave the judges chocolate covered potato on a stick, and someone else, I think Karl, gave tranny porn. Not to be outdone, the following year I gave the judges a penis enlarging pump. That prompted the end of the worst attempt award. I didn't want to go down that path but after loosing to tranny porn it was clear I had to.

  No  we never gave anything Blue for  Worst bribe we where beat by the Blue Gift ... when we gave The hog"s Head . I think it was the year we brought the RX 7 with the straight pipe off the header .  NOT a Big Fan of Cement patio s <<<<<<<<<  I  actually miss this  part because this was our GOTO category for Victory !   HA 

wheels777
wheels777 SuperDork
2/4/18 5:59 a.m.

Did you know....

28.   ....that (8) of the (18) winning cars were there for the third time?  No cars that have been there more than (3) times have won the overall or a segment of the event.  JG wrote an article about way(s) to win at the Challenge.  One of those paths included bringing a car and refining the entry over time.  That recipe worked in 2004, 2009, 2010, 2012, 2013, 2015, 2016 and 2017.

wheels777
wheels777 SuperDork
2/5/18 6:22 a.m.

Did you know...

29.   ....that (14) of the (18) Challenge winners were RWD?  (4) were FWD.  An AWD car has never won.

Pat
Pat HalfDork
2/5/18 10:14 a.m.

In reply to wheels777 :

Trying to recall...were the FWD Winners the Hong Civic, Gutty Civic, ScAries and Shadow?

 

wheels777
wheels777 SuperDork
2/5/18 10:36 a.m.
Pat said:

In reply to wheels777 :

Trying to recall...were the FWD Winners the Hong Civic, Gutty Civic, ScAries and Shadow?

 

Correct

Mndsm
Mndsm MegaDork
2/5/18 10:44 a.m.
Karl La Follette said:
google of me and Marie GRm Challenge piks evildky said:
Mndsm said:

In reply to evildky :

Karl la follette holds the record for worst bribe iirc, and actually prompted a change to the rules. 

Actually that shame falls on me but it may be Karl's fault. In 2010 I was disappointed to loose out on worst bribe, I gave the judges chocolate covered potato on a stick, and someone else, I think Karl, gave tranny porn. Not to be outdone, the following year I gave the judges a penis enlarging pump. That prompted the end of the worst attempt award. I didn't want to go down that path but after loosing to tranny porn it was clear I had to.

  No  we never gave anything Blue for  Worst bribe we where beat by the Blue Gift ... when we gave The hog"s Head . I think it was the year we brought the RX 7 with the straight pipe off the header .  NOT a Big Fan of Cement patio s <<<<<<<<<  I  actually miss this  part because this was our GOTO category for Victory !   HA 

That's right. It was the hogs head. 

Matthew Kennedy
Matthew Kennedy GRM+ Memberand Reader
2/5/18 11:47 a.m.

In reply to SVreX :

We brought the Midget for 4 years, though on year #4 we never made a run because of the aforementioned Reese incident.  We were ready for the first autox run, the driver gave it a little gas so the transmission would go in to gear, and the balancer let go.

I don't remember if we brought the Miata for 3 or 4 years...

Tom Suddard
Tom Suddard GRM+ Memberand Digital Experience Director
2/5/18 3:00 p.m.

Did you know that there are 91,875 photos of the $2000 Challenge on our server?

SVreX
SVreX MegaDork
2/5/18 6:16 p.m.

In reply to Tom Suddard :

Hang on...

Is that the $2000 Challenge, or the $20XX Challenge?

wheels777
wheels777 SuperDork
2/5/18 7:50 p.m.
Tom Suddard said:

Did you know

30.   .... that there are 91,875 photos of the $2000 Challenge on our server?

Fixed.^^^^  That's too good a morsel to be overlooked.

Tom Suddard
Tom Suddard GRM+ Memberand Digital Experience Director
2/5/18 8:20 p.m.
SVreX said:

In reply to Tom Suddard :

Hang on...

Is that the $2000 Challenge, or the $20XX Challenge?

All of the Challenges, not just the $2000 event.

John Welsh
John Welsh Mod Squad
2/5/18 8:26 p.m.
Tom Suddard said:
SVreX said:

In reply to Tom Suddard :

Hang on...

Is that the $2000 Challenge, or the $20XX Challenge?

All of the Challenges, not just the $2000 event.

Furthermore, there was no year 2000 event or $2000. 

In year 1999 it was the first Challenge and the budget was $1500

The following event was in year 2001 and the budget was $2001

wheels777
wheels777 SuperDork
2/6/18 4:30 a.m.

Did you know....

31.   ....that (10) of the (14) RWD Challenge winning cars had IRS?

GTXVette
GTXVette Dork
2/6/18 6:45 a.m.
wheels777 said:

Did you know....

31.   ....that (10) of the (14) RWD Challenge winning cars had IRS?

This Is Verwey Intrwesting,  I have an Old 9"(free) sitting Here, I have a C4, If I sell the IRS from the Vette , I can 3 link the 9" be ahead of the deal in set up cost AND Budget. And I kinda know that on a Smooth surface things are fairly equal.And on a Drag Start I am less likely to destroy The 9" than the Dana 36. Hmmm !

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