locofinn
locofinn New Reader
2/1/21 1:23 p.m.

I need to add about 245 lbs ballast to my Locost car to compete in SCCA time trials in class U2. I'm thinking of adding a 3/8" steel plate 48"x48" and bolting it up through the frame members at least using grade 8 bolts at 8 points. The idea is to be able to drop the plate and run autocross at a lighter weight. The plate will hang out 3" on each side where I can weld on handles or something. Adequate fastening so it does not fly off and cut a corner worker in half? There is ot much room in this chassis to add weight on the inside low in a central location. Other ideas other than me eating more cheeseburgers?

bobzilla
bobzilla MegaDork
2/1/21 1:57 p.m.

Eat more? I got nothin' other than that. 

WonkoTheSane (FS)
WonkoTheSane (FS) GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
2/1/21 2:19 p.m.

I don't know anything about chassis design or flex or whatever, but it seems like adding a second (big!) person to the middle of the car is adding a lot of additional stress to the chassis in a track application?

What about getting some solid steel stock and making a X frame to go under the body with it, maybe bring it up into the body to secure to the triangulation point between the lower space-frame and the upper roll structure tie in?  That may distribute the weight better and help reduce chassis flex?   I dunno:

Woody (Forum Supportum)
Woody (Forum Supportum) GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
2/1/21 2:23 p.m.

How about a 30 gallon plastic water tank filled to the tippity top?

AxeHealey
AxeHealey GRM+ Memberand Dork
2/1/21 2:24 p.m.

With not knowing the TT classes myself, maybe you can find a class that your car better fits in? Not being a smart ass, that's just a ton of weight you need to add as a % of the overall car. 

Stampie (FS)
Stampie (FS) GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
2/1/21 2:44 p.m.

Lead is 3 times the weight of steel per volume.  You're looking at 6 cubic feet of steel vs. 2 cubic feet of lead.  I'd look at several smaller pieces of lead placed around the car that will make a bigger overall difference.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ PowerDork
2/1/21 2:46 p.m.

245lbs of obscenely large aerodynamic elements?

bobzilla
bobzilla MegaDork
2/1/21 2:47 p.m.
Woody (Forum Supportum) said:

How about a 30 gallon plastic water tank filled to the tippity top?

a 30 gallon cooling system?

TurnerX19
TurnerX19 SuperDork
2/1/21 3:01 p.m.

I have not read the rule book, but most rule sets specify that any ballast be inside the car. I would use lead inside. If you are going to drive it alone I would place it to mimic the mass of a passenger fore/aft, but entirely at floor level. 50 LB lead sheets added to the floor, light enough to remove easily. Bolted securely.

ojannen
ojannen GRM+ Memberand Reader
2/1/21 3:08 p.m.

Here is another Lotus with a similar solution: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lknIGgWbMY

Is it worth it to run an underprepped car in U2 instead of an underprepped car in U1?

BoxheadTim (Forum Supporter)
BoxheadTim (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
2/1/21 3:10 p.m.

I don't know if you can corner weight the car. If you can, I would try to distribute the weight based on the corner weights to ensure that you end up with a balanced car, and that the added weight doesn't affect weight distribution and thus handling.

locofinn
locofinn New Reader
2/1/21 4:06 p.m.

In reply to ojannen :

I think 1.4LTurbo has a better chance in U2 at 1,750 lbs minimum weight than running lighter against mega HP U1 cars on big tracks. I like the idea in the video. That was my inspiration.

NOT A TA
NOT A TA SuperDork
2/1/21 5:51 p.m.

If you decide to do a plate like the D mod to E mod video shows and you have a similar side exit exhaust, you might consider channels it slides into with a stop on the exhaust side then you won't have to (possibly) mess with bolts near a hot exhaust to install/remove.

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