Keep as a spare?

In reply to frenchyd :

I'm done.  So you've rationalized that the possibilities of bad E36 M3 happening to your granddaughter is only worth $150ish to you.  Hey you do you.

Don't use that old junk to drive on, buy 5 new tires. 

a_florida_man said:

In reply to frenchyd :

It shouldn't be 34. :)

I try to keep spares below 10.

On cars with FS spares, when I get new tires, the best one goes to the spare wheel.

So you buy 5 new tires every time?   

I had a spare (Michelin, IIRC), about 25 years old, explode in the trunk, where it had lived its entire life. Rubber had dried up, belts split open and peeled back. Impressive destruction - must've been loud as hell when it went. Other than the catastrophic failure, it looked good on the tread/sidewalls. 

The question of whether to risk a family member's or other's safety in order to save a few dollars on a tire, even if the odds are low it'll be used, shouldn't even be asked.

Buy her a new spare.

johndej said:

Don't use that old junk to drive on, buy 5 new tires. 

Ok. I'll tell her if she has trouble with the 4 new tires to call a tow truck. 
 

In reply to Stampie :

I just tell her to call a tow truck not to trust the new looking spare. 

In reply to frenchyd :

Tow truck will be more expensive than a new spare. 

Also while you are at it, teach her how to change the tire and maybe an oil change as well. Its good to know how to do that and will save her money. 

In reply to procainestart :

I wonder how it ever survived for 37. If yours exploded at 25.  I guess I was really taking a chance when I pumped it up Saturday.  
    Hey wait. The tires on my MG are at least 25 years old. Probably close to 30.  
Let's see I last vintage raced that in 2001 and they were about 8-10 years old at that point. 
 Think it's safe to go down in the shop?   

In reply to frenchyd :

You're an idiot.  Follow the above advice then and remove the tire from the car.  Sorry if the truth hurts.

Slippery said:

In reply to frenchyd :

Tow truck will be more expensive than a new spare. 

Also while you are at it, teach her how to change the tire and maybe an oil change as well. Its good to know how to do that and will save her money. 

That's a good idea.  I tried to teach that to both of my girls without success.

   I did ask her over on Saturday but she never got back to me.  I suspect she's busy being a 16 year old girl with Hockey  practice, (She's the goalie ) her team has been to state finals 2 times already.  Plus studying for college and her part time job. So I understand.   Working on cars doesn't seem like a high priority.  
  As far as a tow truck goes, that's why the Blizzacks.  We get really deep snow up here.   But 16 with no winter driving skills?   She'll be in a few ditches.  

Stampie said:

In reply to frenchyd :

You're an idiot.  Follow the above advice then and remove the tire from the car.  Sorry if the truth hurts.

She has a million times more probability sliding in to a ditch the first snow storm. ( 16 years old, zero winter driving experience? ). Than having a blow out. 
  At least giving her Blizzacks might give her a chance.  

In reply to frenchyd :

Ok here's the conversation if you don't remove the tire.

Frenchy Granddaughter "Oh E36 M3 guy I'm boning, we have a flat tire!"

Boning Guy "It's ok we can throw the spare on.  It looks brand new."

Frenchy Granddaughter "No my totally awesome Granddad said it's too old."

Boning Guy "He's old as berkeley.  He doesn't know what he's talking about."

Frenchy Granddaughter "You're probably right because you definitely know what you're talking about!"

There you go.

Frenchy....

You're a smart guy.

You are just trollin' us.... :)

It's getting hillarious too..... slow night?

lol

Stampie said:

In reply to frenchyd :

Ok here's the conversation if you don't remove the tire.

Frenchy Granddaughter "Oh E36 M3 guy I'm boning, we have a flat tire!"

Boning Guy "It's ok we can throw the spare on.  It looks brand new."

Frenchy Granddaughter "No my totally awesome Granddad said it's too old."

Boning Guy "He's old as berkeley.  He doesn't know what he's talking about."

Frenchy Granddaughter "You're probably right because you definitely know what you're talking about!"

There you go.

 

Oh look there's discount tire,  10 blocks away. Wanna drive at the speed limit ( it's 25 in Minneapolis ) and if it blows out, we'll call the tow truck or limp on the flat. 
     

In reply to a_florida_man :

 I'm not trolling,  but maybe I should mount that tire on my car and drive around a bit before I put it in her trunk?   If it blows up at least I should have the skills to deal with it.   
    Since the universal opinion is opposite mine I owe that much don't I?  
   She lives about an hour away.  Mostly freeway.  If it makes it that far would you agree it's reasonable to reside in the trunk?  With 4 new Blizzacks on the ground?  
  

frenchyd said:

Stampie said:

In reply to frenchyd :

You're an idiot.  Follow the above advice then and remove the tire from the car.  Sorry if the truth hurts.

She has a million times more probability sliding in to a ditch the first snow storm. ( 16 years old, zero winter driving experience? ). Than having a blow out. 
  At least giving her Blizzacks might give her a chance.  

Or sliding into a curb and needing that tire or a tow truck. 

So what happens when she gets a flat and discount tire has closed for the day?

Get her the spare tire and AAA. That way she's covered if she gets a flat or ends up in a ditch. 

If you are concerned about cost buy the cheapest tire they have in the right size to put as the spare. It will still be a lot safer than a 37 year old tire  

I am confused about the point of this thread. Is it to show everyone how you know more than the rest of us? 

It reminds me of that thread you started about "buying her" an electric car. Everyone suggested a cheap car, no debt and you spent the whole thread telling us how we were incorrect. Then you end up buying her an overly complex 40 year old car that you like. 

The thread will probably get locked by tomorrow, like the other one. 

In reply to Slippery :

Slippery,  I asked her as everyone suggested and she didn't want an electric.  
 So fair enough.  I know a lot of guys with Jaguars. A simple old Jag 6 cylinder uautomatic that looked nice and she liked it and the price.   
   What is so complex about it?  Steering works the same as any rack and pinion steering?   Disk brakes? Jag has had those since 1958. 6 cylinder ?   Jaguar used the same one from 1948-1987 Automatic ?  Reliable old Borg Warner?  Dana 44 rear end. Doesn't Chevy and Jeep both use those?  
  Low miles. Even uses SAE nuts and bolts.  Parts are available locally or from places like Rock Auto.  215/70 x15 tires ?  
       Overhead Cams  Like most modern cars. Little simpler to work on because it doesn't have a rubber drive that needs periodic replacement.  Just an ordinary timing chain. 
 Seriously,  what is complex?   
   I suppose if I was into Audi's you'd be happy?  Or Fiat's ?    What do you consider simple?   
      
   

     

Again we come to: why ask the question if you will not consider the advice given?

Slippery said:

I am confused about the point of this thread. Is it to show everyone how you know more than the rest of us? 

Just remember, since HE has not had a flat tire and needed a spare, that means no one else has, and it can't happen. The rest is all just histrionics:  change the subject if ya don't have a valid point, respond to things that were not said, and be condescending, and of course, it's everyone else that does not understand. 

dculberson said:

Again we come to: why ask the question if you will not consider the advice given?

Because, it's another chance to point out that everyone is wrong. 

Frenchy, I enjoy reading your posts.  I love Jags.  Would like to dig into a V-12 someday. 

Even given all of that, in this case you are flat, no excuses, wrong.

I can't imagine that you would be able to look at yourself in the mirror every morning if your granddaughter had that E36 M3ty spare put on, it failed catastrophically, and she ended up wrapped around a tree.

If you want your granddaughter to call a tow truck, pull the spare out of the car and tell her to have them drag it to the tire store.  Anything else is irresponsible.

In reply to frenchyd :

Honestly, it is really hard to believe you aren't trolling ... but just in case I'll chime in once more.

You are buying 4 new tires, take one of the old used take offs and have it moved to the spare wheel, OR buy a used tire for the spare.

Under no circumstances use a 34 year old tire.

What IS your opinion? Seriously, I am interested to know.

That tires are forever?

You have a strong automotive back ground. You surely understand the forces at play in a spinning tire. you must be aware of how when old tires fail, they fail spectacularly by separation, and how that seperation failure will at a minimum be guaranteed to do body damage, and at worst potentially harm someone. you have to know these things.

Therefore, I still believe and publicly state that you are pulling our cumulative legs in spectacular fashion.

Hats off to you sir!

I fully accept that a 37 year old tire is not safe. 
  The reason I won't take the best of the 31 year old on the car and use it as a spare is because those tires are absolutely junk. Bad. Cracked. Rotted,  and one wouldn't even hold air.  I'd rather leave her without a spare. 
       I just believe there is almost no way 4 brand new tires will fail on her 6 mile trip to college.probably less than 3000 maybe 3500 miles. I believe it's all city streets. Maybe 35 mph.  If I believed that I wouldn't buy that brand of tire.  

  Just in case you are confused. The tires on it Pirelli P7's now are 31 years old.  The spare is an original 1985 Pirelli P5 stored in the trunk since it left the factory. 


 

In reply to frenchyd :

"...and have it moved to the spare wheel, OR buy a used tire for the spare."