VClassics
VClassics Reader
12/10/11 4:05 p.m.

I enjoyed the cover article in the January 2012 issue of CMS. It's a good overview of a unique speed event that a lot of folks are unfamiliar with, and it captures the spirit of the thing well. However, there are a fair number of errors and exaggerations, starting right from the top. Without trying to nit-pick every fine point:

No one hits 200 MPH, although the fastest Turismo Mayor cars will top 170 on long straights. Engines are limited to 6 liters (366 c.i.) and must run a single carburetor rated at no more than 600 CFM. In Turismo de Produccion, it's 5 liters (305 c.i.) and 500 CFM.

All cars must run on Pemex unleaded gas purchased from regular gas stations along the route. None of the above adds up to anything like 600 HP.

Wrecks are common, but fatalities or serious injuries are very rare. There's nothing porous about the safety rules, which is what the pre-race tech mostly focuses on.

The go-fast tech is also not particularly porous. Cars are randomly checked for minimum weight during the course of the event. Cars with podium finishes in the top classes will undergo rigorous post-race scrutineering, and the officials absolutely will disqualify you for infractions. Also, anyone in any class can file a protest against another team they suspect may be a bit too fast, and they will pump the engines and/or pull the heads on protested cars. It's $500 to file -- if you're right, you get the money back; if not, the organization keeps it (which gives them an incentive to overlook minor violations, but still...).

The cars typically do not have full racing suspensions, at least not in the sense that track racers do. The rules restrict suspension mods, and ground clearance is an issue in the transit stages. Most towns have huge speed bumps to negotiate, much of the pavement is not smooth at all, and ride quality is an issue for the endurance of the drivers and navigators.

The reason teams semi-race on the transit stages is because they have to meet a strict start time for the next speed stage or incur penalties. The only way to have time to inspect and repair the car, have a bite to eat, or just relax for a few minutes is to get there early.

You certainly cannot drive basically any car from 1950 to 1972. Both Turismo classes are limited to 1940-1954 models, the Sport classes allow nothing newer than 1965, and the Historico A, B and C classes require 1955-1965 models only. The one exception is Historico A+, which is four-cylinder 1966-1972 cars under 2 liters.

Cars are classed strictly by age and equipment, not by speed. You will not get bumped up to a faster group for going too fast. It's not at all unusual for a number of the 2 liter cars to finish near the top of the pack overall, and they stay in their original classes nonetheless.

There has been no restriction on revs or gear ratios or top speed to date. This is proposed for 2012 and only applies to the Turismo Mayor class. Several different combinations will be allowed.

Timing and scoring are by no means well organized. It's usually a disaster for at least the first few days, with no team knowing quite where they are placed, and the more they computerize it, the worse it seems to get. Somehow they do seem to get it worked out in a way that's acceptable by the end, but this is probably the top complaint most teams have with the way the event is run. One reason the nightly banquets run so late is because the officials take that long to argue out who gets that day's podiums.

--Phil

Tim Suddard
Tim Suddard Publisher
12/11/11 9:14 p.m.

Phil,

We'll check on this, but this story went through several people who have done this event multiple times.

VClassics
VClassics Reader
12/12/11 2:31 p.m.

Tim,

I'm sure you guys did your homework, but I've done mine too. I've never been to Mexico, but I did build a Volvo Amazon for Historico A+ that took 3rd in class in 2008, and 1st in 2009 (and 16th overall). I'm pretty familiar with the rule book, and did an awful lot of research into what's "flexible" and what isn't, what road conditions are really like, etc. etc.

You can believe I followed those events very closely (including getting phone calls from Mexico in the middle of the night), and learned a lot about what wasn't optimum the first year. I've done work for other La Carrera teams since, and I know a number of other builders and support crews.

I don't make it a habit to nit-pick articles, and errors inevitably will sneak by. The only reason I'm making a point of it this time is that there's a "how to" component to this one, and I don't want anyone to put money into something that's not suitable and/or won't pass tech.

There's a lot of widely held mythology out there about La Carrera, but it's mythology nonetheless. There's a Top Speed video out right now that goes on about how some Studebaker has 700 HP -- if a naturally-aspirated, two-valve-per-cylinder pushrod engine with carburetion restrictions can beat 100 HP per liter, I'd sure like to know how it's done.

Makes for good bench racing, though...

Marjorie Suddard
Marjorie Suddard General Manager
12/14/11 8:34 a.m.

Thanks, Phil. I still maintain we have the smartest readers anywhere. Makes it tough to stay one step ahead, but on the plus side, we learn a lot from you guys.

I'd like the readers to be able to benefit from this discussion, too--would you perhaps write a Letter to the Editor (dropping us an email works) so we can bring it into the print forum?

Thanks again,

Margie

Marjorie Suddard
Marjorie Suddard General Manager
12/14/11 8:35 a.m.

Oh, and sorry for the "booger"--what seems like an amusing WKRP reference when it's in tiny type way down at the bottom of my signature on the GRM board ends up as a giant seemingly editorial comment on the Classic board.

Gary
Gary Reader
12/14/11 11:06 a.m.

I enjoyed the articla as well as Phil's counterpoints here. But on a much lighter note, and simpler too, I really didn't need to hear about "adult diapers." A simple reference to Montezuma's revenge would have been adequate. We all know what that is. Yech ...

VClassics
VClassics Reader
12/14/11 11:38 a.m.

Margie,

Sure, I'll try to write up something more concise and send it in for the Letters page. Frankly, you folks do an amazing job of publishing two magazines dealing with such a wide range of subjects and getting so much of it right, let alone doing car projects, road trips and whatnot.

(No booger reference visible in my Firefox browser, BTW.)

--Phil

VClassics
VClassics Reader
12/14/11 1:53 p.m.

Turns out I have to withdraw one of my criticisms. Electronic rev limiting did go into effect for the top four classes for the 2011 running, although this was not announced until a few weeks before the event. Specific classes are limited to:

Turismo Mayor = 146.6 MPH

Turismo de Produccion = 144.6 MPH

Sport Mayor = 142.8 MPH

Historico C = 142.8 MPH

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