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EvanB
EvanB GRM+ Memberand Reader
3/31/09 5:33 p.m.

I am considering looking at a 64 Volvo 122s for sale. I would be using it as a car at college so I wouldn't be driving it every day but I would need to drive it about once a week or so and still start in the winter.

Here is the ad for it:
http://toledo.craigslist.org/cto/1086792319.html

I talked to the seller and he said that the floors and trunk have been patched, the rockers are rusted out, the seats have been redone. It shows 24xxx on the odo but is most likely 124xxx.

Am I just asking for trouble?

Gary
Gary Reader
4/1/09 7:19 a.m.

If you don't do the sheet metal work yourself you'll probably have to put several thousand into the body to make it right. Then there's the mechanicals to deal with, maybe another few thousand. You'd be up to $5K or more pretty quickly. If you must have a 122, there are a lot of good solid drivable ones around for under $5K. Check Craigs' List in other areas. It'd behoove you to look elsewhere for a good one. Good Volvo 122s can be almost year round vintage drivers. I'm sure Phil S. (AKA VClassics) will weigh-in on this. He's an expert on Volvo 122s. Heed his advise!

Karl La Follette
Karl La Follette Reader
4/1/09 11:01 a.m.

If it runs and drives just get it for $400 low ball him . Don,t worry about fixing it just drive it and someone somewhere will say hey I got one of those and it will be in better shape and condition and then you buy that one , Take a chance and save an old beater .

VClassics
VClassics New Reader
4/1/09 1:12 p.m.

If you just want cheap transportation, I agree with Karl (assuming it drives well). If you want a car to keep and eventually fix up, this is not one you want to start with.

EvanB
EvanB GRM+ Memberand Reader
4/1/09 1:44 p.m.

I am just looking for a beater. Would it be ok to drive it even if the rockers are rotted out? The seller says the frame rails looks solid and the floors are patched.

How are they for reliability year round? Would I have trouble starting it in the cold?

GSCReno
GSCReno New Reader
4/1/09 1:50 p.m.

In addition to Craigs List, check out ipdusa.com, Evan. Always bunches of Volvos for sale in the classified section there. I loved my '66 122s... One of the many cars I've had that I regret parting with. Happy hunting. Cheers, Scott

VClassics
VClassics New Reader
4/1/09 2:15 p.m.

I drive mine year round, and it starts every time.

Per Schroeder
Per Schroeder Technical Editor/Advertising Director
4/1/09 3:54 p.m.

I'd love another 122...a wagon in particular.

rconlon
rconlon Reader
4/1/09 4:15 p.m.

Am I just asking for trouble?

Evan: I say yes you are. There are more patches on that car than at a Ferrari owners' convention. The hood shows signs of a fire damaged paint. Parts for any older car and in particular a Volvo are expensive. Get a more modern beater for school use and the local service station can fix that leaky water pump.

Cheers Ron

VClassics
VClassics New Reader
4/1/09 6:29 p.m.

Ron, you have a point. I keep forgetting that the current generation of mecha... er, technicians has no clue about fixing cars that have 40-year-old technology.

GSCReno
GSCReno New Reader
4/1/09 6:58 p.m.

Per, your 122s project car was the reason that I bought my '66. I must respectfully disagree with the statement that parts for these cars are pricey. Having owned the '66 and a '84 244, I never thought that parts for these cars were overpriced at all. Just my opinion. Cheers, Scott

EvanB
EvanB GRM+ Memberand Reader
4/2/09 12:45 a.m.

I don't really believe the statement that parts for any older car are expensive, I have owned two MGs and parts for those are very reasonable. I also didn't think parts for my 84 Mercedes were that outrageous.

As far as having something that the local service station could fix (leaky water pump or anything else) I am not worried about as I can do the majority of the work on the car myself.

Anyway, I found a cleaner 122 for sale... hopefully the seller gets back to me.

spitfirebill
spitfirebill HalfDork
4/2/09 7:49 a.m.

Well I don't think your'e going to be picking up many chicks with that car.

VClassics
VClassics New Reader
4/2/09 12:50 p.m.

Evan, If you have experience with MGs, nothing about an old Volvo will baffle you. There is very good parts support for them, and I don't find that prices for most items are out of line.

Tim Baxter
Tim Baxter Online Editor
4/2/09 1:03 p.m.

No kidding. The old Volvo B engine even looks like a BMC B-series (but with a much better head design).

Karl La Follette
Karl La Follette Reader
4/2/09 1:24 p.m.
spitfirebill wrote: Well I don't think your'e going to be picking up many chicks with that car.

Might be true but you get one hot ass swedish chick with pig tails and wooden shoes and ka blam makes up for the rest .

Ian F
Ian F Reader
4/2/09 3:02 p.m.
Tim Baxter wrote: No kidding. The old Volvo B engine even looks like a BMC B-series (but with a much better head design).

Do you mean the Triumph engine? I swear the engine in a Spitfire is a scaled down B-16/18/20 (or vice-versa).

I agree Volvo parts are not erribly expensive or hard to get... although most LBC parts are even cheaper...

VClassics
VClassics New Reader
4/2/09 4:02 p.m.
I swear the engine in a Spitfire is a scaled down B-16/18/20 (or vice-versa).

The B16 is actually quite a different beastie from the B18/20, as the one I'm rebuilding right now is teaching me. Siamesed intakes, removable covers to access the "tappets," 3 main bearings, H4 carbs... very A series-like.

Lugnut
Lugnut Reader
4/2/09 6:58 p.m.

I am hot for an Amazon to compliment my turbo bricky wagon. I would even buy a POS like this just to drive it until it implodes (or rusts apart) to justify buying a nicer one that the destroyed one could supply parts to.

Nashco
Nashco SuperDork
4/3/09 1:50 a.m.

I've got a pair of 122S wagons and we really dig them. We got them as a pair, one was actually supposed to be a "parts car" but really just needed some TLC. I will say that while hunting for our Amazon wagon, we looked at a couple that were rusted out pretty badly. These cars use fairly thick sheetmetal for cars of the era, but I still wouldn't even consider one that's lived with salt for years. The floors do seem to go first most often, but we did see one that had ok floors and the structural areas were rotted pretty bad.

In regards to daily driving one, I daily drive one so sure it's possible. I'm a few days away from getting my megasquirt installed along with a TBI and VR dizzy (no points, no carbs, woohoo!) and I'm expecting that to make a much more enjoyable drive. It still gets the job done, but fiddling with the choke and such in the cold just isn't my bag. The handling sucks, but in the Volvo's defense it's a 40 year old car that I haven't rebuilt any suspension parts on yet and the lack of power steering and power brakes sure isn't doing it any favors. Heck, I haven't even checked the alignment yet, I just drive it! The big steering wheel helps with the steering, even if it does make leg room a little cramped. The pedal placement does make for easy multi-tasking on the brake and throttle at the same time (necessary a lot with the carb) with the right foot, even if it does make my big shoes a bit of a tight squeeze between the brake pedal and tunnel. The seat adjustment doesn't allow for my 6 foot frame very well, it gets tight after about 3 hours behind the wheel.

Mine doesn't seem to mind sitting at all...there's zero electronics on board, so they don't discharge the battery. There aren't many gaskets on them to leak, but new gaskets are cheap if you need them. Parts are pretty available, as there are plenty of enthusiasts and Volvo used common parts across many different models.

If you don't mind it looking rough around the edges, driving poorly, being cold-blooded, and being louder compared to an econobox out of the 80s then it's a great car. You will get a lot of people asking about the car, and you'll find that there's no such thing as the car NOT needing some attention (even if it gets around fine, old cars just always like attention). If you just want a beater, I'd say something like a Civic is a hell of a lot better car. If you want a cool beater that's all rusted out, what the heck.

Oh, the fuel economy is pretty good, our wagon gets about 27 mpg on the highway and 20ish in the city with the 4.10 rear end and non-overdrive four speed.

Bryce

Edit: Holy cow, didn't realize this post would end up so long...just kept typing as I was watching some tv!

KaptKaos
KaptKaos Reader
4/3/09 2:14 a.m.

I've been looking for a 122 wagon now pretty solid for a month.

I am in SoCal if anyone has one for sale.

Nashco
Nashco SuperDork
4/3/09 9:23 a.m.
KaptKaos wrote: I've been looking for a 122 wagon now pretty solid for a month. I am in SoCal if anyone has one for sale.

How far are you willing to travel for it? I've got one (the "parts car" referenced above) in Portland, OR that I planned to sell in a month or two. It shows it's age generally, but there's no rust in the floors at all. It's actually got less rust than my daily driver that we're keeping...the floors on my DD are just starting to show some through-holes.

Bryce

EvanB
EvanB GRM+ Memberand Reader
4/3/09 11:53 a.m.

Well I have decided that as much as I want to buy a 122 I should probably hold off for now.

Here is the link for the other one I was looking at if anyone is interested. The seller says the floors are solid and there is only a little rust on the rear fenders.

http://cincinnati.craigslist.org/cto/1097905245.html

KaptKaos
KaptKaos Reader
4/3/09 2:12 p.m.
Nashco wrote: How far are you willing to travel for it? I've got one (the "parts car" referenced above) in Portland, OR that I planned to sell in a month or two. It shows it's age generally, but there's no rust in the floors at all. It's actually got less rust than my daily driver that we're keeping...the floors on my DD are just starting to show some through-holes. Bryce

You can email me at Gruns AT Yahoo DOT com if you have some pics, etc..

I've been looking for an excuse to bring my fly rod up to Oregon. =)

Nashco
Nashco SuperDork
4/17/09 1:48 p.m.
KaptKaos wrote: You can email me at Gruns AT Yahoo DOT com if you have some pics, etc.. I've been looking for an excuse to bring my fly rod up to Oregon. =)

If all goes well, I should get the "parts car" out of the garage this weekend...I'm testing out my megasquirt on it before it gets transferred to the daily driver. I'll keep you posted and hopefully snap some pictures with good lighting if I'm lucky enough to get it running with some daylight left. Not sure if you've been up this way before, but a good friend of mine is a fishing guide (fly fishing being his specialty) so I'd be happy to pass on his info.

Bryce

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