My favorite used car wholesaler has 2 cars, one a 1982 and the other a 2003, both with about 60K miles on them, for the same price by 2 very different German car manufacturers....Porsche and Audi.
This isn't a "what should I buy", so much as what are your thoughts on each car.
"Car A" is a 1982 Porsche 928 painted Guards Red.
"Car B" is a 2003 Audi TT 1.8 turbo with (boo, hiss) an AUTOMATIC trans. painted that dark grey/green called Dolomite Green, I think.
I would soooo passsss on owning a 928. Not by any means the best Porsche.
Come to think of it i would pass on an automatic Audi TT as well.
How much money are we talking? $11k
There are so many more choices in that price range.
Both are way overpriced.
I assume you meant you could buy both for $11k. That would make them only slightly overpriced.
Mileage? Condition, rust, interior, usage.... The 928 could be a big, big money pit--depending on the model it could be worth buying--although, if it's a manual, walk away. Price out a clutch replacement.... The Audi, very much a like-it or hate-it car. Again, without history of either, both are crap shoots--although the Audi is the lesser of two evils in this case. Toy or Daily Driver? Winter usage or summer car?
Lastly, which one do you WANT. If it's just a "this sounds good, what to buy for the hell of it," walk away until something you really want shows up My 2 cents.
jrw1621 wrote: I would soooo passsss on owning a 928. Not by any means the best Porsche. Come to think of it i would pass on an automatic Audi TT as well. How much money are we talking? $11k There are so many more choices in that price range.
ZOMFG this is trooth!!!
OK, missed it, 60K miles....makes the Porsche interesting, but, they can make a 911 look like an econobox if there are problems. On this one History is Key.
Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote: I assume you meant you could buy both for $11k. That would make them only slightly overpriced.
+1
There's a similar lot near me... all sorts of odd stuff now and then... I swear the place is a mob front since I never see it open and it doesn't seem like they ever sell anything...
Um...yeah. I have to agree with everybody else here. $11K for a 928 is way too much, and they are money pits with serious issues even when taken care of, so pass on that one.
And the Audi? Let's see, legendary VW unreliability, small wheezy motor, and the infamous no-dipstick autotragic that likes to self-destruct. Yeah, that's a giant pass as well.
At $1,100 each I would still run away.
Wouldn't you rather a fleet of Yugos?
ArthurDent wrote: Wouldn't you rather a fleet of Yugos?
Not unless he's been smoking crack daily for the last 10 years.
I would say both of those for $11k is a decent deal. $11k each is a joke, imo.
Between those two options I'd take the Porsche hands down. I can easily see a mint 60k mile 928 being worth the money with a well known history and service records intact. Hopefully that's the case with this one. Most people on this thread only think of beater 928s.....there is a world of difference between a beater 928 and a well kept one.
That Audi imo is disposable.
Eleven grand also buys you:
-An excellent late C4 Corvette
-An okay early C5 Corvette
-A pretty decent GTO
-A very good "new edge" Mustang
-A turbocharged Miata
-An S2000
-A really ratty Star Mazda
-An absolutely terrific shifter kart (built 48 hp ICC)
-A complete regional shifter kart operation - cheap pickup, decent trailer, recent chassis, spec-moto class Honda 125
-A nationally competitive TaG operation - cheap pickup, decent trailer, brand new Margay Brava 1.11, two national-level Leopards.
-A F500 operation, suitable for both autox and road racing.
-A very good Spec Miata.
Any of these would be more fun and less trouble than a 928 or TT.
where are the $11k early C5 Corvettes at?
Or a really nice e36 M3.
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Wasn't there a thread here a couple months back about Mazda RX-7's with LSx swaps on other forums being sold for $10k-ish?
Assuming these deals do happen now and then, I would think a nearly stock aluminum 5.3 & T56 swap into an RX-7 would pretty much walk the dog all over either of these things in pretty much every conceivable way.
No to both. See above.
Carry on.
An RX-8 would be very near the top of my $11k list.
Automatic VWs and semi-exotic P-cars needn't apply.
pres589 wrote: Wasn't there a thread here a couple months back about Mazda RX-7's with LSx swaps on other forums being sold for $10k-ish? Assuming these deals do happen now and then, I would think a nearly stock aluminum 5.3 & T56 swap into an RX-7 would pretty much walk the dog all over either of these things in pretty much every conceivable way.
Yes. I sold my LS1/T56 very nicely built (by the PO, not me) FC RX-7 for not much more than $11k. It put down 405 hp at the rear wheel and was brutally fast.
And yes, aluminum 5.3L motors cost about $800 at car-part.com and a T56 is ~$1k typically. Add a few more thousand for this and that and you have a running swap.
In reply to dyintorace:
This leads some support to my want of an FC convertible and doing the whole thing for about 10k; it seems like nice ones are out there for about $4k without a whole lot of digging, and then if the swap parts are another $5-6k then that would pretty much do it for me. The only issue I've got with all that is wanting to use a five speed, but a used T56 setup seems like it would be a lot cheaper.
In reply to pres589:
Pres-the T56 is a 6 speed manual with 5th and 6th being overdrive. That trans in a FC should net you at least 28mpg on the highway.
Seeing as how im a cheapass bastard and FC convertibles are really cheap, id do it the unpopular way and buy an iron block ugly duckling (cheapest) 4.8 or 5.3 and a 5spd t5 castoff from some kinda mullet-mobile and be in it about $3-4k
^^THIS!!
Some friends and I planned on building a Challenge car based off this formula . . .
4.8L + Saginaw + Mustang wheels + cheap suspension tricks + 4.10 = hoonage . . .
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