akylekoz
akylekoz Dork
9/25/18 8:29 a.m.

https://grandrapids.craigslist.org/cto/d/2003-bmw-x5/6691942251.html

 

It is likely a mile from my house.

Does anyone have a spare 00-03 4.4 laying around for cheap?

02Pilot
02Pilot SuperDork
9/25/18 8:35 a.m.

It's probably the guides rather than the chain itself. Either way you're opening up the front of the motor and doing it all, assuming that's all that's failed or broken. Probably easier to drop in a new motor, but I would still strongly suggest you do the chain guides before swapping it in, and this only makes sense if you want it as a driver, as you'll likely never make that money back on a flip.

akylekoz
akylekoz Dork
9/25/18 8:46 a.m.

My wife likes these so If it is real clean maybe just maybe.  My brain keeps telling me I do not need another project.  My wife keeps telling me that she wants a different car.  

If the seller will allow it maybe a presale leak-down test should be the deciding factor.

rdcyclist
rdcyclist GRM+ Memberand Reader
9/25/18 8:47 a.m.

Looks like it's on its way to becoming a lawn ornament.

Vigo
Vigo UltimaDork
9/25/18 9:00 a.m.

In my opinion the effort you'll spend repairing that motor will bring you up to or past the point of what it's worth when it's fixed. I would just buy one that's running for $3k. If you do buy it i also second the idea of dropping a running engine into it with all the preventative work done while it's out. 

Robbie
Robbie PowerDork
9/25/18 9:15 a.m.

rear suspension looks sorta collapsed too.

problem with bimmers of this age is everything fails at once. So yes, the motor took it off the road, but I bet the bushings are shot, shocks are useless, wheel bearings are whining, tie-rods and ball joints are clanking, the exhaust is rusted, vacuum hoses are cracked, and the splines between the transfer case and the front driveshaft are toast.

Once you fix all of that you'll have a $3500 car.

Now, if you want to LS-swap it and bring it to the challenge, it suddenly sounds like money well spent!

Sparkydog
Sparkydog Reader
9/25/18 9:17 a.m.

I have a friend with a later year of this model. His wife broke a headlight.  Just the light module - no body involved. That was a $5k repair.

AngryCorvair
AngryCorvair GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
9/25/18 9:22 a.m.

it's a 32-valve interference engine.  they'll run for a while with noisy chains but if the chain breaks or gets jammed up inside the cover, it will bend a bunch of valves.

i've got the tool kit if you do decide to go for it.   it's not a difficult job, just tedious.   

but the rotors look a bit rusty, like they've been mowing around it for a while...

dculberson
dculberson UltimaDork
9/25/18 9:35 a.m.

An X5 converted my former BMW loving friend into a non-BMW lover.

Robbie
Robbie PowerDork
9/25/18 9:47 a.m.
Sparkydog said:

I have a friend with a later year of this model. His wife broke a headlight.  Just the light module - no body involved. That was a $5k repair.

wow!

If that is true this one looks like an absolutely great part out deal then...

TED_fiestaHP
TED_fiestaHP Reader
9/25/18 10:15 a.m.

On a BMW every little job will  take 4 times as long.   I have a X3   it is not really designed to be repaired....

    If the timing chain caused it to quit running, then there are bent valves.  The easy fix would be to pull the entire motor, then replace with another one....   Doing much with it in the car, would be very difficult.

akylekoz
akylekoz Dork
9/25/18 10:15 a.m.

Thanks Y'all I'll just run away.   I'll stick with Jap stuff for my wife, she likes thing that work and don't cost too much to maintain.

Sparkydog
Sparkydog Reader
9/25/18 10:22 a.m.

If I remember the story correctly it went like this:

  1. Reckless bicycle rider crashes into side of the X5 and handlebar pokes a hole into the side of the headlight unit.
  2. My buddy takes car to his favorite indy repair guy. They both think this will be a straight-forward job.
  3. Cost of new headlight unit through dealer is about $1500+ = ouch #1.
  4. New headlight arrives at indy repair. They discover that for $1500+ you do not get the 3 or 4 black boxes (servo/brains) that are mounted inside the broken unit. As they start to swap over the servo-brains they discover that these items are water logged due to the hole allowing rain water to fill up the bottom of the headlight.
  5. Order new servo-brains again from dealer at about another $1500+ = ouch #2.
  6. Put new servo-brains into new headlight. Reassemble everything. Turn on X5 and discover that the car computer is freaking out because there are undocumented servo-brains that have invaded the headlight. Car goes into just shy of limp mode over this.
  7. Indy shop throws in the towel and tells my buddy that their computer is not equipped to talk with the X5 computer and calm it down. They tell my buddy he has no choice now but to go into the dealer. They also hand over an invoice for their labor at about $500+.
  8. BMW dealer charges my buddy another $1000 to recalibrate the X5 computer and give it PTSD therapy for the horror of being worked on by unclean indy shop.

Total bill was just shy of $5k and about 2 weeks and 2 shops worth of enjoyment.

rdcyclist
rdcyclist GRM+ Memberand Reader
9/25/18 10:27 a.m.
akylekoz said:

Thanks Y'all I'll just run away.   I'll stick with Jap stuff for my wife, she likes thing that work and don't cost too much to maintain.

A buddy reminds me on a regular basis: "Just because you can do it, doesn't mean you should do it." Those of us who can fix broke cars need to keep this in the front of our heads...

Storz
Storz SuperDork
9/25/18 1:03 p.m.

Anyone make an LS conversion kit for it?

 

 devil

dean1484
dean1484 GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
9/26/18 7:33 a.m.

I have said this many times to my friend. If someone made a kit to put 5.3 LS motors in the v8 BMWs you could probably make money doing it. 

Nathan JansenvanDoorn
Nathan JansenvanDoorn Dork
9/26/18 7:40 a.m.

In reply to Sparkydog :

Sure. But here’s another version of the story.

Friend buys used headlamps and adjusters at local yard.

When it goes into limp mode he downloads free software to connect the modules using the cable he already had since everyone who works on a late bmw knows to have one.

Your story reads like a comedy of bad decisions - I certainly wouldn’t recommend a bmw to anyone who pays to have them repaired, but they are MUCH cheaper to own if you diy and can do your homework.

Suprf1y
Suprf1y UltimaDork
9/26/18 7:53 a.m.
dean1484 said:

I have said this many times to my friend. If someone made a kit to put 5.3 LS motors in the v8 BMWs you could probably make money doing it. 

I have a friend who's done a pile of BMW LS swaps. He's got it figured out

jr02518
jr02518 Reader
9/26/18 8:47 a.m.

Odd thing about th "X" series,  they have a front drive shaft that goes through the oil pan.

This slows down the required fix of the leaking oil pan, that all leak.  Turning rubber things into goo, like the motor mounts.

The up side, this oil keeps the chassis from rusting.  Think of a British infusion into German engineering, assembled in the US.

Add to that the front differential, when the fluid is changed you have to update the ECU.  Or live with one more code light on the dash.

On a personal note, my wife's DD is a 3.0 2005 X3 with 165,000 miles.  The thing is a tank, drives it hard and it's great in the snow with the correct tires.

She wants a red one, next time.  

ManhattanM (fka NY535iManual)
ManhattanM (fka NY535iManual) Reader
9/26/18 9:02 a.m.
Suprf1y said:
dean1484 said:

I have said this many times to my friend. If someone made a kit to put 5.3 LS motors in the v8 BMWs you could probably make money doing it. 

I have a friend who's done a pile of BMW LS swaps. He's got it figured out

Who-aaa, tell us (well, me, anyway) more about these swaps!

Any chance there is an X5 build thread somewhere? I’ve seen YouTube videos and web articles about “monster wild turbo full off-road build ls swaps” but what i’d love is a GRM style nitty gritty build thread for a straight “keep it simple” swap. 

Sparkydog
Sparkydog Reader
9/26/18 10:13 a.m.

In reply to Nathan JansenvanDoorn :

Yes - you have my friend figured out.

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