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splitime
splitime New Reader
2/9/09 9:56 a.m.

Alright, I've debated for awhile about documenting this build online or not. I figure I should, as a big part of the fun is in the build and why not share it. I just realized how long this "intro" is getting... feel free to skip it if you wish, I will have pictures over time to feed those with the semi-shorter attention spans ;)

A hair of background first. I've been helping work on Gutty (chalkboard CRX in 2007, cream colored in 2008) for the last two years. Nothing more fun than working on a car with buddies. Heck, still working on it in an attempt to make it even better somehow.

I'll try to layout the initial car, plans etc. as best I can... bear with me. I'll include a few pictures... and add more as I make progress (after I buy a new camera as my old one went kaboom recently).

Anyways... I no longer drive to work, haven't for awhile (train commuter now). So my main "A to B" car has spent most of its last few years just sitting. Since I finished the majority of my turbo miata project for track fun, I just use it when I can't borrow the wifes car. So with the "A to B" car sitting around... I found a guy I've known for a few years with a car that sounded like something new and fun to get into. A 1989 240sx with a swap and lots of other random parts on it. Normally it would out value my "A to B" car... but it had died and never run again on him and the previous owner. 3 owners ago had mucked with the swap wiring and really messed something up. He (along with the last) had given up on trying to figure it out. And during the last few owners... it succumbed to the midwest cancer... frame rails were practically falling off the car.

So... we traded cars. A running 1991 junkyard turbo honda civic hatchback with a wonderfully flat black front end... for a non-running RUSTY 240sx with an rb20det (for those unfamiliar... 2L turbo inline 6). He has my old '91 hatch up for sale now, about 10 months later for 2,500 with some interest but 0 buyers. From tallying up market prices and the cost of parts into the car... we figured out its worth about 2k (at the time of trade). Considering how it hasn't sold, we were on target. So that gives me a tight starting point if I want to build a car... vs. just fix/drive one.

After having spent so much time helping on Gutty... I figured I would attempt to build this to GRM specs. The value was on target with making a GRM car, if I could recoup enough to get it running. At WORST... I end up with a tiny budget (happy wife)... lots of wrench time and a cool car in the end. At best (and i'm still on target), I end up with a entry for the 2009 Challenge... or 2010....

Soon after I bought the car and had gone through my grand plans for patching the rust on the car. I realized the rust overwhelmed the sheet metal. Frames were rotted out, seams were no longer seams... they were open points on the car. When you closed the doors, the quarterpanel behind the door would wobble. This chassis was a lost cause. I forget the exact path of logic/luck/friends that found this for me... but I found a shell through a short chain of people that was 10 miles from my house... stripped and rust FREE! Guy had bought it to rebuild... salvage/rebuild title... aborted paint job attempt... but it was from the south and... I'll say it again.. rust FREE! I can't tell you how lucky that is up here. So when a friend of mine came up north to help me get a bunch of lumber for a housing project of mine... we swung by Home Depot for the moldings/base boards etc... and loaded the shell onto the trailer enroute. About 20 minutes later... I had my Actual challenge car home. Oh... and it was 100 bucks. He had sold mostly everything off the car, even when I came to get it... someone was there taking parts off it.... but as he recouped his costs and made some money, I got a deal :)

Pushed it into the garage... jacked it up and pushed it to the side... and it's sat there since last summer.

To me... the first thing was to strip the donor car and recoup as much as I can. The car came with almost new (not shiny due to sitting out 2 winters not running and the salt gobbling into the polished metal) set of Ruff 279s (18x8.5 and 18x9.5) and tires with a few thousand miles on them. It also had a 5lug conversion. To me... they were nice and desirable to many with a 240sx... if they were just building a personal car. Since I am not... they were my BIG recoup parts. I managed to sell the after market 5lug conversion almost immediately at the beginning of winter (when I started the donor demolition). The wheels took a lot longer as I wasn't motivated to polish them up first... but finally (just this weekend) someone came and bought them. With that, I was able to get 1k back into the budget. So parts with a few thousand miles on them... that were worth ~1700 new... took a nice hit, but got funds into the build account!

Now I have a garage and basement(finished... wife is super happy about that)... full of 240sx parts. Not to mention what I still have to pull off the real build car (sub frames, partial interior). Since its just gotten above freezing here in Chicago... I'll get into the garage and start working on cleaning each and every part up. I've bagged all the bolts I could, I've tried to organize the chaos...

Lots of plans to the car chassis itself and lots of cleanup/enhancement/power attempts in the plans.

Will I manage to pull it off?... we'll just have to see :)

And... pictures to get the ball rolling. Thank you Mom/Glenn for keeping me on your guys AAA+ and the 100miles free towing... (if this really really doesn't fall into legal transportation for budget and I have to tally it... someone please let me know, it seriously was free.. but I want to have 100% transparency)

Donor car home and pushed in. The track toy miata hanging out.

Donor and build car hanging out as demolition begins.

Last picture I have before I finished the strip job and found someone to take the shell away for free. I kept EVERYTHING from the donor... I figured I have no clue yet what is wrong/good/bad with the build car... so I'd cover my bases.

More to come, once I get a new camera or answer any questions.

Looking forward to at worst, attending this year with Team Gutty and buddies. At best... with my own car to enter :)

-Dave "splitime"

P71
P71 GRM+ Memberand Dork
2/9/09 10:10 a.m.

That is a seriously cool start to a Challenge car!

splitime
splitime New Reader
2/9/09 11:02 a.m.

Just realized... I kind of forgot the actual plans..

-I'll be stripping down the car soon, building a wood dolly to move it around on.

-Then I'll be stripping most of the car down to metal or close and prepping for a fully paint job. First time painting... should be interesting.

-Engine bay will get extra special attention. It is the heart of the car.

-Taking the original hacked/modded wiring harness and using the plugs to build a new hidden harness for the motor.

-Removing all unnecessary wiring from the cars cabin and front wiring harness also.

-weight reduction everywhere I can pull it off without having the car crumple apart.

-Stich welding some of the chassis seams, within reason as this won't be a dedicated race car

-Reinforcing the subframe pieces that need it, LCAs etc..

-Cleaning/wirewheeling/sandblasting/painting etc... every bolt/part I took off and plan to use.

-Cleaning every bit of the motor, if budget allows doing fresh gaskets/tb/wp etc...

-Adding power with a bigger turbo/injectors/maf and utilizing a free tuning software on the already chipped ecu in the car.

-Picked up aftermarket bumpers for that added bling... but painting them and the OEM pieces in case I run out of budget to use them (very likely)

Lots of prayer?

ckosacranoid
ckosacranoid HalfDork
2/9/09 6:08 p.m.

good luck, soulds like a cool plan.

Boosted240
Boosted240 None
2/25/09 8:03 p.m.

Good luck. You should be quite happy with the RB20.

I'll be seeing you in October hopefully.

John Brown
John Brown GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
2/26/09 7:01 a.m.

too bad it's not FWD... They say only FWD cars are allowed now.

4cylndrfury
4cylndrfury Reader
2/26/09 7:44 a.m.

RBs are some seriously delicious japanese engineering...I love Nissans motors. My SR20DE (sigh...unfortunately set up FWD config in my Infiniti) is a very happy engine down low in the RPM range. I can only inagine it gets better as cylinder count grows. And I love S13 chassis as well, very very swanky with thew RB swap.

Jealousy doesnt even begin to describe my levels of envy. I am looking forward to seing your results in the 09...or 10 (good things come to those who wait right) Challenge issue!!!

Xceler8x
Xceler8x GRM+ Memberand HalfDork
2/26/09 8:29 a.m.

Check out the Miata with a V-mount in the 2nd picture. How'd that work for ya?

splitime
splitime New Reader
2/26/09 10:49 a.m.
Xceler8x wrote: Check out the Miata with a V-mount in the 2nd picture. How'd that work for ya?

Xceler8x: It works great. On a track day last year with ~low 80s temps... my highest recorded airtemp for the day was 88 deg. For close to 30 minutes of boosting my way around... I was happy to say the least.

4cylndrfury: Yah, I got the car to run a little before I tore the donor car apart. Couldn't time it or really drive it due to whatever the person messed up in the wiring harness... but that inline 6 sounds so nice. I can't wait to get the car together and have a chance to romp on it.

John: I wonder how hard it would be to convert the 240 to FWD if thats the case....!

93celicaGT2
93celicaGT2 HalfDork
2/26/09 10:58 a.m.

Holy crap those wheels on the 240 are ridiculous!

splitime
splitime New Reader
2/26/09 11:29 a.m.
93celicaGT2 wrote: Holy crap those wheels on the 240 are ridiculous!

And gone. Those wheels and the 5lug conversion netted me almost my entire recoup limit for the build. They weighed over ~50lbs a piece with tires.... UGH.

Picked up a pair of Enkei Racing S. (not my actual wheel... mine need um... cleaning) Still need 2 more 16s so I can use the free hoosiers i'm being given though.

splitime
splitime New Reader
3/17/09 11:05 a.m.

New camera means new updates! Not much work has happened. A few new parts, last seasons almost dead hoosiers :) and I started to wrench some on the shell.

Stock... one I was going to run... the bigger and much cheaper one that was partially broken that i will run. Guy that gave me his throw-aways even mounted up a pair since I have 2 wheels so far.

More updates to slowly come... I really do mean slow.

splitime
splitime New Reader
4/6/09 9:50 a.m.

So miata work is in progress. I need my car back on the ground by mid May... so that takes precidence atm.

But... guy with camera finally sent me the turbo pictures I took when I got it :p

16vCorey
16vCorey SuperDork
4/6/09 9:53 a.m.

Is that turbo from a Cummins? Bad Ass!

4cylndrfury
4cylndrfury Reader
4/6/09 10:00 a.m.

turbo out of a diesel...aww man does that mean your 240 is gonna smoke all over the place when you get on it? that sux

miata ...240...all that matters is the wrenches are turning. Always a good thing!

splitime
splitime New Reader
4/6/09 10:35 a.m.

60lb/min capable turbo... more than the motor can handle. Hopefully when its all together I manage to get to the motors threshold and not beyond :p. I most definitely couldn't afford to stay in budget and rebuild this motor... boy would that suck.

Raze
Raze Reader
4/6/09 11:02 a.m.

Diesel turbos FTMFW!

wherethefmi
wherethefmi HalfDork
4/6/09 12:06 p.m.

:jealous: Damn wasting my time with an SHO

splitime
splitime New Reader
4/7/09 9:26 a.m.
wherethefmi wrote: :jealous: Damn wasting my time with an SHO

No such thing as wasting time when building a car... well... maybe... since in the end they are all sort of money pits/wastes.

But thats the fun! :p

And don't be jealous yet... I have an absurd amount of work ahead of me to get this ready in time for the 2009 challenge... which I can hopefully pull off.

Winston
Winston New Reader
4/7/09 11:32 a.m.
splitime wrote: I have an absurd amount of work ahead of me to get this ready in time for the 2009 challenge... which I can hopefully pull off.

I've joined that club too, as of last night. Good luck to us both!

Your build looks like it has great potential. Keep the updates coming!

splitime
splitime New Reader
4/7/09 11:42 a.m.
Winston wrote: I've joined that club too, as of last night. Good luck to us both! Your build looks like it has great potential. Keep the updates coming!

It's a fun club to be in :)

I also feel that this thread is mostly like a parts/build ideas inventory so far. I promise once I get my miata all settled for an event next month... I'll start digging into the 240 build.

Oh... got a set of generic pillowball mount/camber plate pieces enroute to me. Hopefully I can rig them to work with the KYBs off the donor car. (teins were parted out, pillowballs are some generic never used replacement seller got)

splitime
splitime New Reader
4/30/09 11:13 a.m.

Slowly updated might get even slower... debating ditching this project for building a different platform.

As it is the answer to every question on the GRM board... I'll let you guess as to the replacement possibility (its in my driveway already... so not really to far from the "lets do this" phase).

splitime
splitime New Reader
4/30/09 11:32 a.m.

BTW... I typically just get projects started and don't stop until finished. So I am kind of bummed about this possibility... but excited at the same time. This other route... I think holds alot more fun potential and allows me alot more leeway overall. Will probably handle better and be faster also :p

2002maniac
2002maniac New Reader
4/30/09 2:55 p.m.

miata with the RB?

thatsnowinnebago
thatsnowinnebago GRM+ Memberand HalfDork
4/30/09 3:10 p.m.
2002maniac wrote: miata with the RB?

I like that idea

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