$2013 Rules Have Been Posted

Much appreciated spool. You cannot believe how happy/crushed I was this morning. IT was like "AWESOME MONEY!" "AwwwwE36 M3" all within moments.

mndsm- I should know in a few days if my job relocation to Reno, NV is going to berk up my Challenge this year. Under the best of circumstances I will have to leave and fly out from the Challenge Saturday morning. Spool would represent on Saturday and then trailer it back for me on Sunday. I'll keep you posted.

Soooo... this "headlight, brake lights and turn signal" rule... how strict is that? My car has them, but the turn signal may or may not work on command :) Can I still play?

They have to be present, nobody is checking to make sure they all work. Obviously if the car is to be street driven, it's preferably that all safety equipment is functional.

Do we drive on the street as part of the challenge? I assume such as to and from each part of the event? My car is not tagged and wasn't really planning on before the event, but if needed, I can make that happen.

Nope, many people trailer their car to the event. Basically, i just wouldn't have said anything.

There is no requirement to drive your Challenge car on the street.

Swank Force One wrote: Nope, many people trailer their car to the event. Basically, i just wouldn't have said anything.

Probably shouldn't have, but the car has them but it's 30 year old wiring so I didn't want to make an 11 hour drive down only to be told I can't play since my blinker is finicky. I added headlights and marker lights back to the car JUST for the event, so that should count for something :)

I know this has been discussed before. And, it may even be in this thread. Save me some headache time please. We are thinking of showing up this year with an older Challenge car. It was built when the taxes and original replacement brake parts counted. Where do I find reference or clarification to these items not hitting the budget? IF we are going to try to get a car together, I don't have time to find the cheapest part or to make everything. We are making way too much stuff already. As such, I will need to use the tax dollars to pay for real parts. Our car included $43.10 in taxes that were included in the original challenge budget sheets.

I just totalled up the brake parts.....$91.29 (with $4.66 of that being taxes).

It looks like rule 7 should be referring to rule #8, not #9.

My bad! I just found the brake part rules in the Safety Section 4-F. Sorry

Yep, brakes are free.

For those of you playing along at home:

"Rubber or steel brake lines, master cylinders, rotors, drums, brake cylinders, calipers and brake pad linings may be replaced with new stock pieces. Original brake parts cannot be sold and then rebought to take advantage of this allowance. "

In the case of non-stock brake pads:

"If the tires and brake pads on a past Challenge car are worn out, they can be replaced up to the value at which they were originally listed for the previous Challenge (e.g., $200 tires can be replaced with up to $200 tires)."

In reply to Alan Cesar:

Now...How about the taxes?

Wow, I was convinced that sales tax did not count, though I can not find it now. I'm thinking Per, etc. thought it was unfair that sales tax varied by state. So it cost more to build the same car in one state versus another.

spin_out wrote: Wow, I was convinced that sales tax did not count, though I can not find it now. I'm thinking Per, etc. thought it was unfair that sales tax varied by state. So it cost more to build the same car in one state versus another.

This is exactly how I remember this issue being resolved. I would probably currently be over budget if tax was included!

While I am admittedly nervous about the Nelson clan finding even more budget room to work with, that feeling is surpassed by happiness at seeing them again soon and watching them go!

In reply to wheels777:

There's nothing in the rules about taxes being excluded. Is there a passage that suggests otherwise?

Rule No. 1:
If the rules do not say you can do something, you cannot do it.

I don't think it ever made it officially into the rules, but it was discussed around the same time as "The Atlanta Clause."

I could dig up the thread(s), but I know that it was agreed, by iirc Per, that sales tax was removed from budget years ago.

I remember removing the sales tax on my Mustang build in 2008. I didn't include sales tax in my $2011 build at all.

It was Per who had ruled no taxes due to the varying tax rates. I dumped taxes from my budgets sometime around '09 or '10 due to that ruling.

Found Per's ruling on the tax question, which is how I've been budgeting since.

http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/forum/grm/2010-budget-question-taxes-and-fees/18389/page1/

Alan Cesar wrote: In reply to wheels777: There's nothing in the rules about taxes being excluded. Is there a passage that suggests otherwise? Rule No. 1: If the rules do not say you can do something, you cannot do it.

There was no rule written in 2011 either. However, it was written and ultimately clarified elsewhere. I did not see the 2012 rules. Now, I am trying to read through the 2013 rules and make sure I have everything straight. I couldn't remember where it was noted, and did not see it in the currently posted rules.

Pat wrote: Found Per's ruling on the tax question, which is how I've been budgeting since. http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/forum/grm/2010-budget-question-taxes-and-fees/18389/page1/

Thanks Pat. I knew it was after 2009 and before 2010.

Like Pat etc. My 2010 budget did not count sales tax. Somehow we did not pay sales tax on purchased items this year, but shipping costs probably balanced that out.

I did a search in the $2013 rules and the word "sales tax" is not there. I've read the rules dozens of times in the past, so I only scan the updates for changes. I really thought it was excluded.

Hopefully Andy found enough in Brake Parts to solve his issue.